Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Bob_Marley · 31-03-2018 04:25PM

Clearly people that promote banners with "Men are Trash" have no genuine interest in the all victims of this trial, i.e. everyone involved in it.

Men have been unbelievably tolerant of these banners and false claims about all men to date, far more tolerant that they will ever be.

Do the promoters of such hatred of men and banners about men really want a war between men and women, and where exactly do they think that is going to lead if there is one ?

Sofiztikated · 31-03-2018 04:26PM

Worried Father wrote: »

I worry about the world my two boys are living in. One is 14, the other 17. The oldest is starting to go out, drink etc. I want my boys to be able to go out, meet girls, get drunk, get laid etc.

I also know how girls act and dress and with hormones and drink I worry they get might get falsely accused of something. It seems to me we are entering a puritanical age where a man will be guilty until proven innocent.

Anyway, they, and their friends are all on the side of Paddy and Co and understand how important the concept of fair trial is. Proud of them.

Teach them to be clear with consent. Don't get into a situation like that. And I don't mean over the top, signed notated and whathaveyou. Just be a normal human being, and they'll be fine. Don't be dickheads to anyone.

wexie · 31-03-2018 04:28PM

Bob_Marley wrote: »

Do the promoters of such hatred and banners really want a war between men and women, and where exactly do they think that is going to lead if there is one ?

I genuinely don't believe anybody involved in organizing these protest has actually stopped for one minute to think about what it is they are looking to achieve and what might be helpful in doing so...

And that's the problem with protests like these, they stop being useful and just turn into random background noise that, by and large, gets ignored.

irishrebe · 31-03-2018 04:29PM

Motivator wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

You do realise that not all 11-year-olds look like little girls? I was 5'4 and a B cup when I started secondary school. I would imagine those braindead neanderthals thought I was 14 or 15. Does that make it any better? I won't even bother telling you the comments I used to get if I dared to eat an ice cream or lolly walking home on a hot day. I wonder what kind of pathetic insecure human being would rather deny that this happened and call someone a liar than face the fact that some men behave in this way?

I don’t know any 11 year olds that look 14 or 15. Nobody is stupid or ignorant enough to mistake a child for a teenager - nobody.

Someone may have beeped their horn at you (god help you) when you walked home from school, but I’m not buying the dramatic recollection of your horrific schoolgoing days.

More silencing of women. Rather than believe that there are men who behave like this, you call me a liar, with no evidence. You can't imagine it ever happening, so therefore I must be making it up. You can't imagine an 11 year old being mistaken for a 14 year old, despite being 5'4 with boobs, so I must be making it up.
You are aware of the Larry Nassar case, yes? The USA Gymnastics teen doctor who molested literally hundreds of girls and women for decades, sometimes while their parents were in the room? Wouldn't you have said that sounded too outrageous to be true? Yet it was true. And he wasn't acting alone. The dozens of women who made complaints about him were silenced and brushed off because there was just 'no way' someone would risk their job and reputation like that and just 'no way' that the other adults around him were complicit in the abuse. There was just 'no way' a doctor would insert his fingers into a girl's vagina with no gloves on and get away with it, to hundreds of different patients, for decades. Those girls and women were called drama queens and liars. And yet it turned out to be true.

Things like the above go on in this world, and you find it so incredibly unbelievable that a group of boorish young men leaving their factory jobs, trying to impress each other, would beep and shout lewd comments to a schoolgirl walking home that you call me a liar? Jesus, it must be so nice to live in your little bubble.

wexie · 31-03-2018 04:29PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Just be a normal human being, and they'll be fine. Don't be dickheads to anyone.

Excellent starting point, if we could all just teach ALL of our kids that, boys and girls, we may just turn out okay as a society

irishrebe · 31-03-2018 04:30PM

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Of course it is. There are always saps around. Idiots like that don't represent all women any more than misogynist trolls speak for all men.

Why didn't these arbiter of justice tell her to take her offensive banner down?

Maybe they did? How do you know how long it was up for?

LLMMLL · 31-03-2018 04:31PM

torqtorq wrote: »

Your tenacity is admirable.

I personally only ever saw 1 name mentioned on social media.

There was a fourth person involved.

The camera man!

Your obfuscation knows no bounds.

So now it's morphed from a 3some into a 4some. And two of them leaked it independently. And since we seem to believe everything we read on social media I assume one did actually ejaculate on the other guys chest and make a racist comment?

bebeman · 31-03-2018 04:33PM

Why no protest in Dublin for the thousands of children raped by Muslim gangs in England?
Is there some hierarchy for perpetrators and victims of a crime?
White christian men do it, thats bad, Brown Muslim men do it, thats OK?

irishrebe · 31-03-2018 04:35PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Yeah, it's just so incredibly hard to believe that the same idiots who were leaving work at the same time every day would have beeped at me more than just the one time. What are the chances?

Good, good.

Had you the heart shaped sunglasses to go with the lollipop ?

Does it make you feel good about yourself to dismiss the lived experiences of a woman who grew up experiencing harassment? Making light of something that was so unpleasant that I dreaded walking home from school and often stayed late for no reason, so I could walk home after those cretins were gone? Really funny, yeah.

ShowMeTheCash · 31-03-2018 04:35PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Again not engaging with the point I made in my post the 'look over there not here' tactics of after hours, if you want to engage with what I said in a post then reply to that.

Certain irony in the I am not going to engage but then engage.
But this this seems to sum up most of your comments, double standards and double speak.

professore · 31-03-2018 04:35PM

I was jeered every evening on a school bus by a group of boys and girls about being gay (I'm not but that's irrelevant). A group of girls spread malicious untrue rumours about my daughter when she was 13 which were a lot more damaging than a few wolf whistles.

Who do we hate?

#IHateEveryone

Fann Linn · 31-03-2018 04:36PM

bebeman wrote: »

Why no protest in Dublin for the thousands of children raped by Muslim gangs in England?
Is there some hierarchy for perpetrators and victims of a crime?
White christian men do it, thats bad, Brown Muslim men do it, thats OK?

Ah please don't. Enough rent a crowd as it is for foreign trials.

torqtorq · 31-03-2018 04:36PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

So now it's morphed from a 3some into a 4some. And two of them leaked it independently. And since we seem to believe everything we read on social media I assume one did actually ejaculate on the other guys chest and make a racist comment?

Camera man clearly was just there as a camera man.

Will say this, he was very tall judging by his camera angles.

wexie · 31-03-2018 04:38PM

professore wrote: »

Who do we hate?

Extremists and bullies!!! (of all persuasions and creeds)

professore wrote: »

When do we hate them

Now!!

Apologies for taking some liberties quoting you there Professore

The Rape of Lucretia · 31-03-2018 04:38PM

bebeman wrote: »

Why no protest in Dublin for the thousands of children raped by Muslim gangs in England?
Is there some hierarchy for perpetrators and victims of a crime?

Not really.

Its more a case of something just gathering momentum without any of the women really thinking about it. Literally a herd mentality. Group think. Caught up in a twitter/facebook sense of belonging, being part of something (- anything), a cause, whether just or not, whether rational or not. Its fun. Its exciting. It feels 'important'. So best not question too deeply, rather, just enjoy the ride (;)).

Once up to speed, its very hard to stop a stampede. Even if it isnt really running a way from anything, and is heading for a cliff.

ShowMeTheCash · 31-03-2018 04:40PM

irishrebe wrote: »

Maybe they did? How do you know how long it was up for?

Maybe seems to get used when it suits you!

professore · 31-03-2018 04:41PM

irishrebe wrote: »

Does it make you feel good about yourself to dismiss the lived experiences of a woman who grew up experiencing harassment? Making light of something that was so unpleasant that I dreaded walking home from school and often stayed late for no reason, so I could walk home after those cretins were gone? Really funny, yeah.

Get over yourself. Lots of people including myself have experienced harassment worse than what you have experienced. The difference is we don't use it to hate a group of people for the rest of our lives. That's just sexism. It's the exact same mindset Adolf Hitler had when some Jews didn't like his art. And we all know how that turned out.

professore · 31-03-2018 04:42PM

wexie wrote: »

Extremists and bullies!!! (of all persuasions and creeds)

Now!!

Apologies for taking some liberties quoting you there Professore

No offence taken!

irishrebe · 31-03-2018 04:43PM

professore wrote: »

I was jeered every evening on a school bus by a group of boys and girls about being gay (I'm not but that's irrelevant). A group of girls spread malicious untrue rumours about my daughter when she was 13 which were a lot more damaging than a few wolf whistles.

Who do we hate?

#IHateEveryone

Oh, look, another one in the oppression olympics. Wouldn't you think that as a victim of harassment yourself, you'd have empathy for another victim? Would you have liked your 13-year-old daughter to have been beeped at and whistled at by grown men as she walked home from school? To have had comments like 'go on, deep throat it' and 'I bet you'd suck my c*ck like that' shouted as she ate an ice lolly? Seeing the men laughing and high fiving each other because it was all a joke to them, while her heart was pounding with fear? You're basically saying I should just shut up and not recount this story because it wasn't that bad and I could have had false rumours spread about me by other kids my age?

iamwhoiam · 31-03-2018 04:43PM

<SNIP>
Who organised that protest today ? Whoever organised it should in my opinion be aware of such posters and ask them to remove such tripe

retro:electro · 31-03-2018 04:45PM

Men r trash mmmkay.

The funny thing is if you ask any of those dope buckets what they want to rectify in order to promote change they’d stare at you blankly

OwlsZat · 31-03-2018 04:47PM

Protesting #ibelieveher over the outcome of a jury after a 9 week trial is incomprehensible. Taking sides for many didn't seems to stretch beyond their own sex.

If the protest was based around like public nature of the trial it would make far more sense.

GreeBo · 31-03-2018 04:47PM

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

The woman by and large expects something to come of it.

The man doesn't.

The woman expects something to come from having sex with someone she doesn't know?
I'd guess either a baby or an STI.

Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps you believe there is just one uber slut out there who is banging all these men, since women are such paragons of virtue compared to men.

irishrebe · 31-03-2018 04:47PM

professore wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Does it make you feel good about yourself to dismiss the lived experiences of a woman who grew up experiencing harassment? Making light of something that was so unpleasant that I dreaded walking home from school and often stayed late for no reason, so I could walk home after those cretins were gone? Really funny, yeah.

Get over yourself. Lots of people including myself have experienced harassment worse than what you have experienced. The difference is we don't use it to hate a group of people for the rest of our lives. That's just sexism. It's the exact same mindset Adolf Hitler had when some Jews didn't like his art. And we all know how that turned out.

I don't hate men. I have loads of male friends. Thank God the woman hating red pillers and 'men are being victimised' types are a very small subset who just have a very loud voice. I have sent this thread to several friends in other countries and they're absolutely appalled by it. The pure viciousness of the men completely shutting down any woman who dares to recount a bad experience or an assault. It's chilling. As one of my friends just said, what's the motivation for that?

ShowMeTheCash · 31-03-2018 04:48PM

irishrebe wrote: »

More silencing of women. Rather than believe that there are men who behave like this, you call me a liar, with no evidence. You can't imagine it ever happening, so therefore I must be making it up. You can't imagine an 11 year old being mistaken for a 14 year old, despite being 5'4 with boobs, so I must be making it up.
You are aware of the Larry Nassar case, yes? The USA Gymnastics teen doctor who molested literally hundreds of girls and women for decades, sometimes while their parents were in the room? Wouldn't you have said that sounded too outrageous to be true? Yet it was true. And he wasn't acting alone. The dozens of women who made complaints about him were silenced and brushed off because there was just 'no way' someone would risk their job and reputation like that and just 'no way' that the other adults around him were complicit in the abuse. There was just 'no way' a doctor would insert his fingers into a girl's vagina with no gloves on and get away with it, to hundreds of different patients, for decades. Those girls and women were called drama queens and liars. And yet it turned out to be true.

Things like the above go on in this world, and you find it so incredibly unbelievable that a group of boorish young men leaving their factory jobs, trying to impress each other, would beep and shout lewd comments to a schoolgirl walking home that you call me a liar? Jesus, it must be so nice to live in your little bubble.

Yet another example of double standards.
OP makes a post, is then criticized for "making up a story", asks what is so unbelieving about his story considering the story you have posted which is totally unbelievable.
And he is now trying to silence woman..... Awesome!

The Talking Bread · 31-03-2018 04:49PM

irishrebe wrote: »

Oh, look, another one in the oppression olympics. Wouldn't you think that as a victim of harassment yourself, you'd have empathy for another victim? Would you have liked your 13-year-old daughter to have been beeped at and whistled at by grown men as she walked home from school? To have had comments like 'go on, deep throat it' and 'I bet you'd suck my c*ck like that' shouted as she ate an ice lolly? Seeing the men laughing and high fiving each other because it was all a joke to them, while her heart was pounding with fear? You're basically saying I should just shut up and not recount this story because it wasn't that bad and I could have had false rumours spread about me by other kids my age?

Weren't you 11 when it started?

Surely you would have kept that age as the central part of your story? Are we really supposed to believe that every day men working together in a factory drove around beeping at a local child. Yup.

LLMMLL · 31-03-2018 04:49PM

torqtorq wrote: »

Camera man clearly was just there as a camera man.

Will say this, he was very tall judging by his camera angles.

Oh clearly. And how long was this imaginary video? Fee seconds. Minutes? Half an hour?

cloudatlas · 31-03-2018 04:50PM

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Certain irony in the I am not going to engage but then engage.
But this this seems to sum up most of your comments, double standards and double speak.

Double speak? Where did I use obscure language that you couldn't understand? No, you responded to my post quoting it with something unrelated to it and I rightly called you out on it. Only one confused here is yourself.

Fann Linn · 31-03-2018 04:50PM

irishrebe wrote: »

Oh, look, another one in the oppression olympics. Wouldn't you think that as a victim of harassment yourself, you'd have empathy for another victim? Would you have liked your 13-year-old daughter to have been beeped at and whistled at by grown men as she walked home from school? To have had comments like 'go on, deep throat it' and 'I bet you'd suck my c*ck like that' shouted as she ate an ice lolly? Seeing the men laughing and high fiving each other because it was all a joke to them, while her heart was pounding with fear? You're basically saying I should just shut up and not recount this story because it wasn't that bad and I could have had false rumours spread about me by other kids my age?

You're posting this stuff in a thread on After Hours.
Does anyone really take this serously here?

suicide_circus · 31-03-2018 04:50PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Men r trash mmmkay.

The funny thing is if you ask any of those dope buckets what they want to rectify in order to promote change they’d stare at you blankly

What are the demands of the people on these marches? I have literally no idea

Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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