Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

professore

irishrebe wrote: »

Oh, look, another one in the oppression olympics. Wouldn't you think that as a victim of harassment yourself, you'd have empathy for another victim? Would you have liked your 13-year-old daughter to have been beeped at and whistled at by grown men as she walked home from school? To have had comments like 'go on, deep throat it' and 'I bet you'd suck my c*ck like that' shouted as she ate an ice lolly? Seeing the men laughing and high fiving each other because it was all a joke to them, while her heart was pounding with fear?  You're basically saying I should just shut up and not recount this story because it wasn't that bad and I could have had false rumours spread about me by other kids my age?

I do have empathy for you but not for where you are taking it. I never said you should shut up. Not even close. I am a strong believer in free speech.

And if a group of men said that to my daughter she would give them as good as she got. Would I like it or condone it? Of course not. I'd have some strong words with them. And I'd do the same if they were saying similar stuff to you.

You are the one with no empathy - you are using a very selective form of harassment and raising it above all others to make a political point.

And I would never put words in your mouth like you are doing with me.

It's depressing as I actually not your enemy and gave a lot of sympathy for the woman at the centre of this trial. I just don't think the evidence was strong enough to convict. That doesn't mean I think she was lying either, or that there couldn't be reforms to ensure she didn't have to spend 8 days on the stand.

irishrebe

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Maybe they did? How do you know how long it was up for?

Maybe seems to get used when it suits you!

What exactly do you want me to say? I already very clearly stated that the banner was moronic and unacceptable. I would hope someone told her to take it down. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. One ridiculous banner, in an already small protest of fringe extremists the vast majority of women (and men) would not want to be associated with, and people are up in arms about it. Multiple reports on this thread of women being raped and harassed and they're either told that they're liars, or that it wasn't that bad and they should get over it. Truly incredible.

salmocab

suicide_circus wrote: »

What are the demands of the people on these marches? I have literally no idea

You should go along so, you would fit right in.

GreeBo

Appledreams15 wrote: »

One day men will look back and be shamed of how they treated women at this time.

Just the same as how we look back at how we locked women up in magdelene laundries after they were raped, and we are shamed at that.

The women protesting are not protesting just at this case but at all the wider issues of misogynistic culture in Ireland.

Huh?

I think we should be ashamed about how men are treated by women. Just look at that Lorena Bobbit case.

What exactly is it you are looking for regarding rape cases in Ireland?
It seems you dont want a trial at all tbh.
#don'tquestionher

The Rape of Lucretia

suicide_circus wrote: »

What are the demands of the people on these marches? I have literally no idea

There are none. Its just a warm group hug kinda vibe that is the payoff for them.

GreeBo

Worried Father wrote: »

Imagine a man going around with a banner saying 'women are thrash'? He'd be arrested and the media would be all over it that.

That's the real double standard.

Yeah it's a metal argument

irishrebe

Worried Father wrote: »

Imagine a man going around with a banner saying 'women are thrash'? He'd be arrested and the media would be all over it that.

That's the real double standard.

No he wouldn't be arrested. There are pages of posts discussing the banner here, and lots of posts on social media. Where exactly is this double standard?

ShowMeTheCash

cloudatlas wrote: »

Double speak? Where did I use obscure language that you couldn't understand? No, you responded to my post quoting it with something unrelated to it and I rightly called you out on it. Only one confused here is yourself.

Ah so you are ok with the double standards just not the double speak.
Good to know.

By post is inline with the thread, your post was in the disbelief of another poster and the wtf to why people liked it, which is not worth arguing over as it was void of anything meaningful, hence my quip

hynesie08

suicide_circus wrote: »

What are the demands of the people on these marches? I have literally no idea

Neither do they.

Varik

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

John Connors and everybody who liked / re-tweeted it.
Also see plenty on my FB feed mentioning class privilege.

https://twitter.com/johnconnors1990/status/979158224522932226

If they were then the case would have lasted as long as possible to milk the free legal aid as long as possible.

GreeBo

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

Well I became asexual over a period of time. It happened gradually as the years went by, when interacting with men simply wasn't bringing any happiness.

I don't hate men - I just view them as irrelevant.

I'm not drawn to anyone any more, and this case reminded me why.

Perhaps as an asexual you aren't best placed to judge others sexual activities?

bottlebrush

Worried Father wrote: »

Imagine a man going around with a banner saying 'women are thrash'? He'd be arrested and the media would be all over it that.

That's the real double standard.

or any other group ie travellers muslims gays

Fann Linn

GreeBo wrote: »

Perhaps as an asexual you aren't best placed to judge others sexual activities?

Incoming.....

_Dara_

_Dara_ wrote: »

An Instagram screengrab from today’s protest. I’ve chopped the Instagram user’s name out as I don’t him/her to be ambushed.

But seriously, a banner saying ‘Men R Trash’? That is needlessly divisive and antagonistic.

Good to see appledream15/MidlandsMissus got out for the day anyways.

irishrebe

The Talking Bread wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Oh, look, another one in the oppression olympics. Wouldn't you think that as a victim of harassment yourself, you'd have empathy for another victim? Would you have liked your 13-year-old daughter to have been beeped at and whistled at by grown men as she walked home from school? To have had comments like 'go on, deep throat it' and 'I bet you'd suck my c*ck like that' shouted as she ate an ice lolly? Seeing the men laughing and high fiving each other because it was all a joke to them, while her heart was pounding with fear?  You're basically saying I should just shut up and not recount this story because it wasn't that bad and I could have had false rumours spread about me by other kids my age?

Weren't you 11 when it started?

Surely you would have kept that age as the central part of your story?  Are we really supposed to believe that every day men working together in a factory drove around beeping at a local child. Yup.

Yes, 11 turning 12 when I started secondary school. As I said, a doctor was convicted of molesting hundreds of children and adults over a period of decades, putting his fingers inside them, sometimes with other people around, taking an enormous risk of losing his prestigious job,  and yet you find it so hard to believe that factory workers in Dublin trying to play the hard lads, with no real repercussions for their actions, didn't beep and harass schoolgirls (and others) walking on the pavement that you assume I'm a liar? Wow.

professore

One day men will look back and be shamed of how they treated women at this time.

Just the same as how we look back at how we locked women up in magdelene laundries after they were raped, and we are shamed at that.

The women protesting are not protesting just at this case but at all the wider issues of misogynistic culture in Ireland.

Who ran the Magdalene laundries and profited off these "fallen" women? And treated them like subhumans? Hint : it wasn't men....

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

One single banner with something moronic on it and look at the offence some people are taking.

I’m offended that you wrote ‘R’ instead of ‘ARE’ on your banner.

bebeman

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not really.

Its more a case of something just gathering momentum without any of the women really thinking about it. Literally a herd mentality. Group think. Caught up in a twitter/facebook sense of belonging, being part of something (- anything), a cause, whether just or not, whether rational or not. Its fun. Its exciting. It feels 'important'. So best not question too deeply, rather, just enjoy the ride (;)).

Once up to speed, its very hard to stop a stampede. Even if it isnt really running a way from anything, and is heading for a cliff.

So these women are playing into every stereotype that women are irrational, the blind leading the blind.
They are not doing themselves any favours with this public temper tantrum

Ronaldinho

irishrebe wrote: »

To have had comments like 'go on, deep throat it' and 'I bet you'd suck my c*ck like that' shouted as she ate an ice lolly? Seeing the men laughing and high fiving each other because it was all a joke to them, while her heart was pounding with fear? 

Did you tell your parents about this abuse you got?

irishrebe

Worried Father wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

No he wouldn't be arrested. There are pages of posts discussing the banner here, and lots of posts on social media. Where exactly is this double standard?

The double standard is misogyny is the crime of the century but misandry is of no concern.

Look at these clowns marching, they want men guilty until proven innocent. They surely have men they care about fathers, husbands, sons?

No concern? So explain to me why that banner is being discussed here, and why every single person posting about it has called the person holding it an idiot and condemned it? That's your idea of 'no concern'? There's more concern about that bloody banner than there is about the girl who posted saying she was raped. Jesus wept.

ShowMeTheCash

irishrebe wrote: »

What exactly do you want me to say? I already very clearly stated that the banner was moronic and unacceptable. I would hope someone told her to take it down. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. One ridiculous banner, in an already small protest of fringe extremists the vast majority of women (and men) would not want to be associated with, and people are up in arms about it. Multiple reports on this thread of women being raped and harassed and they're either told that they're liars, or that it wasn't that bad and they should get over it. Truly incredible.

Let's not muddy up the water here, you have been told your stories are unbelievable because when people read back on your posts the story seems to change not only on this thread but other threads.

it is not my fault that people are now questioning your authenticity

irishrebe

Ronaldinho wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

To have had comments like 'go on, deep throat it' and 'I bet you'd suck my c*ck like that' shouted as she ate an ice lolly? Seeing the men laughing and high fiving each other because it was all a joke to them, while her heart was pounding with fear? 

Did you tell your parents about this abuse you got?

Obviously. My dad had a word with one of the factory bosses. He said he'd tell the lads to cop on. Did they f*ck. Got even worse.

Fann Linn

irishrebe wrote: »

Yes, 11 turning 12 when I started secondary school. As I said, a doctor was convicted of molesting hundreds of children and adults over a period of decades, putting his fingers inside them, sometimes with other people around, taking an enormous risk of losing his prestigious job,  and yet you find it so hard to believe that factory workers in Dublin trying to play the hard lads, with no real repercussions for their actions, didn't beep and harass schoolgirls (and others) walking on the pavement that you assume I'm a liar? Wow.

So none of the teachers in your school, or none of the parents picking up the other kids did nothing when kids (and others) were walking and getting harrassed?

irishrebe

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

What exactly do you want me to say? I already very clearly stated that the banner was moronic and unacceptable. I would hope someone told her to take it down. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. One ridiculous banner, in an already small protest of fringe extremists the vast majority of women (and men) would not want to be associated with, and people are up in arms about it. Multiple reports on this thread of women being raped and harassed and they're either told that they're liars, or that it wasn't that bad and they should get over it. Truly incredible.

Let's not muddy up the water here, you have been told your stories are unbelievable because when people read back on your posts the story seems to change not only on this thread but other threads.

it is not my fault that people are now questioning your authenticity

Adding more details to a story is 'changing the story'? I didn't think people were that thick that it would confuse them so much. Do tell me where I contradicted myself. I said I was harassed for years while walking home from school, and someone tries to tell me I'm lying because I mentioned being 11 and being 13 when it happened? Really? is that the level we're at?

Fann Linn

Conway is after getting a hum dinger of a try for Munster.

jonnny68

millennial snowflakes seething, dying to be offended and this is huge for them

irishrebe

irishrebe wrote: »

Obviously. My dad had a word with one of the factory bosses. He said he'd tell the lads to cop on. Did they f*ck. Got even worse.

Between the degrees coming out of your hole from D22 to Trinners, the multilinguistics, the foreign travel and the irresistible pre-teen sexual magnetism.... you’ve led quite the life.

The Talking Bread

irishrebe wrote: »

Adding more details to a story is 'changing the story'? I didn't think people were that thick that it would confuse them so much. Do tell me where I contradicted myself. I said I was harassed for years while walking home from school, and someone tries to tell me I'm lying because I mentioned being 11 and being 13 when it happened? Really? is that the level we're at?

What factory in Clondalkin?

irishrebe

Fann Linn wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Yes, 11 turning 12 when I started secondary school. As I said, a doctor was convicted of molesting hundreds of children and adults over a period of decades, putting his fingers inside them, sometimes with other people around, taking an enormous risk of losing his prestigious job,  and yet you find it so hard to believe that factory workers in Dublin trying to play the hard lads, with no real repercussions for their actions, didn't beep and harass schoolgirls (and others) walking on the pavement that you assume I'm a liar? Wow.

So none of the teachers in your school, or none of the parents picking up the other kids did nothing when kids (and others) were walking and getting harrassed?

My house was over a mile from the school, so no. They had no idea. I saw girls from other schools and random women walking alone also being harassed sometimes. Sometimes a bystander would step in and tell them to cop on and f*ck off but mostly people were too intimidated. They were big lads and quite intimidating for anyone.

Tesla Coil

Tesla Coil wrote: »

Now i know why the #ibelieveher and #repeal hashtags are being used hand in hand by some.
They will abort if they are carrying males!!! I have finally cracked it!

Well in all fairness #MenRTrash