Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

padd b1975

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

This is dangerous because it will not stop there.

This seems to be a tactic used a lot more by extreme feminists or leftists groups. (I lean left on most things)

Target jobs and or any sponsors of anyone deemed "they enemy" and this will not stop at these players it will bleed into anyone that goes against their ideas as a means to silence them.

Wife follows a guy from a certain hotel in Dublin, he expressed an opinion around the #ibelieveher protests as being dangerous, which he is allowed to do, he points out that this has went through the court of law, due process has been carried out and now we have protesters who do not have all the facts, they where not part of the jury these last few months who are now protesting against the outcome.

He had a woman come into his hotel whilst people where eating breakfast in the last two days, basically stand up address the guests to tell them that the owner of the hotel is "pro rape" and that they should not be spending their money in his hotel......

This happened in the last two days....

So essentially if I started a protest tomorrow #Idon'tbelieveher you will have people in our society try and paint me to be "pro-rape" and do their best to get me fired from my job.......

There is some crazy feminist logic happening at the moment that is border line insane!

A clumsy waitress with a pot of boiling coffee should nip that in the bud.

Strazdas

Flipper22 wrote: »

I think the contemporaneous messages clearly suggest that none of the three involved in the actual incident had knowledge that she was upset at the time.

That's true, though Harrison did alert them at some point during the conversation that there was a problem.

There's also the question of that phone conversation in the taxi, when he was talking in hushed tones to one of the three.

ShowMeTheCash

wexie wrote: »

To be fair I'm not sure it's 'just' feminists, I got in a raging argument with a very vocal atheist for trying to point out to him that just because he doesn't believe something doesn't mean he doesn't need to be respectful of and sensitive to other people's beliefs. Same seems to go for both (extreme) sides of the whole 8th argument etc. etc. etc.

It just seems to be the way things are done these days. Don't reason and try to convince but shout down and bully.

It's dangerous and worrying indeed.

It can be anyone yes, I only use the term feminist because feminism he been completely derailed by what I would consider bad actors in the last 5 years.

Defining what feminism actually means in today's society is almost impossible.

Ohmeha

shamrockvilla wrote: »

He was told in no uncertain terms what he was by a section of the crowd

By the #ibelieveher bandwagon or by opposition fans?

Find it incredible that hasn't been a peep since from the '#ibelieveher' mob about an actual convicted rapist who pleaded guilty and who since 2015 has played in 60+ LOI matches for them to protest and release their rage at

py2006

Laois_Man wrote: »

Do women when they get together, talk about their previous nights conquest in terms of the size of his dick or his stamina or his longevity or whatever?

Hollywood certainly portrays that they do. And nobody seems to complain about that!

But do they?

I've seen episodes of Coronation St were female characters have mocked the size of a male characters genitala, their lack of ability to satisfy the sexual standard of the woman.

Hoards of men aren't offended by this but the double standard is obnoxious.

ShowMeTheCash

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Quoting this part from your post.
"" Wife follows a guy from a certain hotel in Dublin, he expressed an opinion around the #ibelieveher protests as being dangerous, which he is allowed to do, he points out that this has went through the court of law, due process has been carried out and now we have protesters who do not have all the facts, they where not part of the jury these last few months who are now protesting against the outcome.

He had a woman come into his hotel whilst people where eating breakfast in the last two days, basically stand up address the guests to tell them that the owner of the hotel is "pro rape" and that they should not be spending their money in his hotel......

This happened in the last two days. ""
Where or what part of the country did this happen ?

Wife follows that guy from the white moose cafe hotel, I think you can get it on his snapchat.....

I don't snapchat I just watched it this morning on wifes phone, he goes through what happened in the hotel with their CCTV footage.

I think the woman who came in to do this was actually a journalist.

retro:electro

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

This is dangerous because it will not stop there.

This seems to be a tactic used a lot more by extreme feminists or leftists groups. (I lean left on most things)

Target jobs and or any sponsors of anyone deemed "they enemy" and this will not stop at these players it will bleed into anyone that goes against their ideas as a means to silence them.

Wife follows a guy from a certain hotel in Dublin, he expressed an opinion around the #ibelieveher protests as being dangerous, which he is allowed to do, he points out that this has went through the court of law, due process has been carried out and now we have protesters who do not have all the facts, they where not part of the jury these last few months who are now protesting against the outcome.

He had a woman come into his hotel whilst people where eating breakfast in the last two days, basically stand up address the guests to tell them that the owner of the hotel is "pro rape" and that they should not be spending their money in his hotel......

This happened in the last two days....

So essentially if I started a protest tomorrow #Idon'tbelieveher you will have people in our society try and paint me to be "pro-rape" and do their best to get me fired from my job.......

There is some crazy feminist logic happening at the moment that is border line insane!

This was White Moose Cafe dude right? I don’t agree with the women ambushing his guests eating their lunch, but I believe he tweeted a stupid joke from his business account, rather than his own personal account, which is why his cafe is getting targeted and spammed with 1* reviews on Facebook. He also has encouraged his following to leave 1* reviews on the pages of those who have disagreed with him in the past. So he’s getting his just deserts if you ask me.

freshpopcorn

To be perfectly honest I am not sure what exactly these marches are for the weekend. I get different impressions of different people.
One thing tough if these guys contracts are cancelled could it happen in other areas apart from sports?
If a school teacher used similar language in a what's app group chat and somebody informed the department of education could he/she be fired because teachers can be role models to students. It could also be possible in lots of professions.

Zonda999

Ohmeha wrote: »

By the #ibelieveher bandwagon or by opposition fans?

Find it incredible that hasn't been a peep since from the '#ibelieveher' mob about an actual convicted rapist who pleaded guilty and who since 2015 has played in 60+ LOI matches for them to protest and release their rage at

Hate to bring it back to class divide but theres definitely some in the hypocrisy you're referring to.

This trial involved, as the media would politely put it, the middle class and the media go nuts for such trials.Irish Rugby, especially with the success of recent years has become a real middle class bandwagon. Combine the two and you're going to get a major reaction I think

freshpopcorn

Some people also give the impression that they use of certain words or different types of sex is bad/wrong. Do they want this also to be made illegal?

hynesie08

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Quoting this part from your post.
"" Wife follows a guy from a certain hotel in Dublin, he expressed an opinion around the #ibelieveher protests as being dangerous, which he is allowed to do, he points out that this has went through the court of law, due process has been carried out and now we have protesters who do not have all the facts, they where not part of the jury these last few months who are now protesting against the outcome. 

He had a woman come into his hotel whilst people where eating breakfast in the last two days, basically stand up address the guests to tell them that the owner of the hotel is "pro rape" and that they should not be spending their money in his hotel......

This happened in the last two days. ""
Where or what part of the country did this happen ?

White moose Dublin I'm assuming.

irishrebe

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

What's really hilarious to me is how so many men on here view these things as a 'punishment'. Attending consent classes means they are all automatically considered rapists, for example. I had to attend mandatory 'racism awareness' classes when I worked in London. Did I throw my toys out of the pram and tell them to stop accusing me of being racist and stop disrespecting me? Or did I welcome the opportunity to put myself in the shoes of people of other races and consider issues I might not have thought about before as a white person? I know I'm not a racist, so it didn't bother me having to go to that course. But a consent class for a man is assuming that all men are rapists?

The class in itself no.

The fact that anyone would suggest men need such classes, yes. At the very least it implies that you believe men are inherently rape oriented and need to be taught how not to do it. Quite demeaning really.

No more than a racism awareness class implies that anyone attending it is a racist. Maybe you should educate yourself on what consent classes actually consist of.

Zonda999

freshpopcorn wrote: »

To be perfectly honest I am not sure what exactly these marches are for the weekend. I get different impressions of different people.
One thing tough if these guys contracts are cancelled could it happen in other areas apart from sports?
If a school teacher used similar language in a what's app group chat and somebody informed the department of education could he/she be fired because teachers can be role models to students. It could also be possible in lots of professions.

This is the most dangerous of precedents. Are we all not entitled to privately held views, with a clear separation between these and our professional lives?

If you asked the marchers, I think I can hazard a guess as to what answer they'd have for the above

wexie

freshpopcorn wrote: »

It could also be possible in lots of professions.

It can, has and will probably continue to happen.

http://people.com/celebrity/employees-who-were-fired-because-of-social-media-posts/

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/lists/a-brief-history-of-people-getting-fired-for-social-media-stupidity-20150713

wexie

Zonda999 wrote: »

Are we all not entitled to privately held views, with a clear separation between these and our professional lives?

Personally I think that absolutely we should...

What people consistently seem to fail to realize though is that once you post something on any form of social media it's no longer a privately held view.

Posting something on Facebook or the likes is no different than printing it on a sandwich board and walking around town with it.

(now while I don't agree that's necessarily fair or reasonable it IS the reality at the moment)

irishrebe

Sofiztikated wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

What's really hilarious to me is how so many men on here view these things as a 'punishment'. Attending consent classes means they are all automatically considered rapists, for example. I had to attend mandatory 'racism awareness' classes when I worked in London. Did I throw my toys out of the pram and tell them to stop accusing me of being racist and stop disrespecting me? Or did I welcome the opportunity to put myself in the shoes of people of other races and consider issues I might not have thought about before as a white person? I know I'm not a racist, so it didn't bother me having to go to that course. But a consent class for a man is assuming that all men are rapists?

Ok, so why not consent classes for both genders?  And I don't mean "How not to Rape 101" for men, and "How not to get Raped 101" for women.  Treat everyone the ****ing same, everyone is capable of horrendous ****, teach people how to avoid it, and what to do if it does happen.

People of all races can be racist.  

RuMan wrote: »

One wonders what the reaction would be to 2 munster players participating in a consensual threesome?
Sad to see bigotry against the Unionist community still prevalent in the south.

A court of law has decided these men are innocent there really is nothing more to say.

Very few would be aware of their political or religious leanings.  It's not as much of a deal here as it is in NI.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Women are certainly more objectified. But on whether men are solely responsible for this I have my doubts. Go into any night club of a weekend. It's not lads who are picking out these outfits for the girls. Women are manifestly more visually appealing than men, this is the root cause.

And dare say that a woman gets dressed up for men, you'd be shot.

They are intended for both genders. People just like to get whipped into a frenzy implying that they are classes to teach men not to rape. That's not what they are.

The Legend Of Kira

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Quoting this part from your post.
"" Wife follows a guy from a certain hotel in Dublin, he expressed an opinion around the #ibelieveher protests as being dangerous, which he is allowed to do, he points out that this has went through the court of law, due process has been carried out and now we have protesters who do not have all the facts, they where not part of the jury these last few months who are now protesting against the outcome.

He had a woman come into his hotel whilst people where eating breakfast in the last two days, basically stand up address the guests to tell them that the owner of the hotel is "pro rape" and that they should not be spending their money in his hotel......

This happened in the last two days. ""
Where or what part of the country did this happen ?

Wife follows that guy from the white moose cafe hotel, I think you can get it on his snapchat.....

I don't snapchat I just watched it this morning on wifes phone, he goes through what happened in the hotel with their CCTV footage.

I think the woman who came in to do this was actually a journalist.

Im not on snapchat & found it hard to use when I tried it- so I won,t be able to see the video on his snapchat page.

ShowMeTheCash

retro:electro wrote: »

This was White Moose Cafe dude right? I don’t agree with the women ambushing his guests eating their lunch, but I believe he tweeted a stupid joke from his business account, rather than his own personal account, which is why his cafe is getting targeted and spammed with 1* reviews on Facebook. He also has encouraged his following to leave 1* reviews on the pages of those who have disagreed with him in the past. So he’s getting his just deserts if you ask me.

I saw the tweet, it was a "I am holding a #ibelieveinsanta rally"
"I know very little about him and have seen little evidence about this existence, but I still believe in him because.."

Thinking he is an @sshole or deciding not to go to his hotel is one thing.

Having a journalist come in and tell guest he is "pro-rape" of the back of that tweet is another.
It is a tactic by crazy feminists, it makes people who join these rallies look like "crazy feminists" when things like this happen off the back of it.

Maybe he should try and get her fired for defamatory comments or even charged, calling someone "pro-rape" he might actually have a case.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Tesla Coil wrote: »

The texts are private though, well at least they were at the time.
If you take the 4 accused on their word they thought the whole affair was consensual.
They have been found not guilty in a court and now people want them to lose out on a career over texts that were private.

People have a right to discretion, a private life and to engage in as crass a humour as they see fit among their friends, once they and their friends deem it acceptable among each other.

If Jackson was in a scuffle on cctv outside a Mcdonalds ( ala mike philips of welsh rugby fame) then the role model angle can be played.

They were private texts which unfortunately for them have now entered the public domain. They didn't nail a sheet with "we are all top shaggers" to the door of the town hall .

Again, all true - but attitudes like that put people off. The fact that theirs became public makes no difference: the attitude stil lexists.

The right to a private life, as well you know, is never the same when you're famous (be that right or wrong).

AnneFrank

Just saw the protest march in Dublin, how cringey,

Strazdas

freshpopcorn wrote: »

To be perfectly honest I am not sure what exactly these marches are for the weekend. I get different impressions of different people.
One thing tough if these guys contracts are cancelled could it happen in other areas apart from sports?
If a school teacher used similar language in a what's app group chat and somebody informed the department of education could he/she be fired because teachers can be role models to students. It could also be possible in lots of professions.

I'm not entirely sure myself, but then again, such a march doesn't necessarily have to have a specific aim or end result.

People could organise a march in favour of Paddy Jackson and the other three if they so desired.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

This is dangerous because it will not stop there.

This seems to be a tactic used a lot more by extreme feminists or leftists groups. (I lean left on most things)

Target jobs and or any sponsors of anyone deemed "they enemy" and this will not stop at these players it will bleed into anyone that goes against their ideas as a means to silence them.

Wife follows a guy from a certain hotel in Dublin, he expressed an opinion around the #ibelieveher protests as being dangerous, which he is allowed to do, he points out that this has went through the court of law, due process has been carried out and now we have protesters who do not have all the facts, they where not part of the jury these last few months who are now protesting against the outcome.

He had a woman come into his hotel whilst people where eating breakfast in the last two days, basically stand up address the guests to tell them that the owner of the hotel is "pro rape" and that they should not be spending their money in his hotel......

This happened in the last two days....

So essentially if I started a protest tomorrow #Idon'tbelieveher you will have people in our society try and paint me to be "pro-rape" and do their best to get me fired from my job.......

There is some crazy feminist logic happening at the moment that is border line insane!

SJWs trying to swing things is a different issue.

I'm not condoning the pressure (most certainly not!) but I wouldn't want someone with that attitude selling my product or representing me. And that's nothing to do with media or social pressure: that's just me. And a lot of their sponsors will feel the same way even without the pressure.

People can read those messages and feel offended on their own.

FrancieBrady

I just got told I shouldn't be commenting on rugby because of 'the day that is in it'.

Tell me how

RuMan wrote:

In both cases we have consensual sex, cant see a huge difference given the court has ruled the men not guilty of rape ?

I'd say a small difference is that charges were brought against one group with no suggestion of lack of consent with the other.

Do you think that that means the CPS is anti-unionist?

LLMMLL

torqtorq wrote: »

Both players upper torso's are fully visible in the video as are the girls.

Plus they are giggling and talking.

There is absolutely no ambiguity.

You can identify famous rugby players from their torsos? Wow you're a superfan.

Outlaw Pete

AnneFrank wrote: »

Just saw the protest march in Dublin, how cringey,

Aye...........


https://twitter.com/Gingerzworld/status/980075713796689920

retro:electro

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

I saw the tweet, it was a "I am holding a #ibelieveinsanta rally"
"I know very little about him and have seen little evidence about this existence, but I still believe in him because.."

Thinking he is an @sshole or deciding not to go to his hotel is one thing.

Having a journalist come in and tell guest he is "pro-rape" of the back of that tweet is another.
It is a tactic by crazy feminists, it makes people who join these rallies look like "crazy feminists" when things like this happen off the back of it.

Maybe he should try and get her fired for defamatory comments or even charged, calling someone "pro-rape" he might actually have a case.

Yep like I said I don’t agree at all with what Una did but a lot of the backlash he received was motivated by how he’s treated business’ in the past. He’s against “mob mentality” only when he’s on the receiving end of it. He’s all for it when he’s setting his fans on someone else.
Don’t agree at all with the level of hatred he’s getting but you can’t Tweet a crap joke from your business account and not expect to have your business affected by it. If you want to be a douche at least do it on your personal account.

LLMMLL

Icemancometh wrote: »

I remember the name of the woman. She chose to leave the country for a little while after the story broke. I'm sure plenty of people remember the name as well. There's sod all chance I'll post her name here, so feel free to think I'm making this up.

I don't think YOU are making it up. I think you heard it somewhere and believed it. I've heard so many different versions of the story now.

Zonda999

Zonda999 wrote: »

Hate to bring it back to class divide but theres definitely some in the hypocrisy you're referring to.

This trial involved, as the media would politely put it, the middle class and the media go nuts for such trials.Irish Rugby, especially with the success of recent years has become a real middle class bandwagon. Combine the two and you're going to get a major reaction I think

The class divide is also playing a part in these protests. Many on the Irish Left despise the middle class and its associated elements: i.e. they hate rugby, "uncool" professions etc. So when one of their nemesis is found not guilty (or gets a light sentence), the Left goes into overdrive and attributes it to the privileges enjoyed by the accused. It's been like that for as long as I can remember. Underprivileged people with 100+ convictions getting light or suspended sentences are conveniently ignored.

givyjoe

irishrebe wrote: »

You think women can't be misogynists?

So you think the catalyst (aka the 'victim')for the brain donors who are protesting, is mysoginist herself.?