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Fire at Metro Hotel in Ballymun

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    #152
    jimmycrackcorm
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    Hurrache wrote:
    And when people then realise there's no homeless families that seems to be the end of it for them, not a thought for those who may actually be living in those apartments in the process of losing their homes.


    I get the impression that some people are disappointed that no homeless families are staying there so that it could be used for the homeless industry agenda.


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    #153
    Hurrache
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    NIMAN wrote: »

    Btw, care to name the MEP?

    Lynn Boylan. Don't see the original tweet so may have been deleted, best I can find at a cursory search is someone's attempt at a retweet. Boylan's tweet may have been a retweet in itself as the very same text appears on one of those Ireland says No ****ty Facebook pages, that or she's associated with that Facebook account.

    https://twitter.com/Thebfromtuam/status/976565597176655872?s=19


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    #154
    Doltanian
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    There is alot of disappointed left wing liberals tonight that this was not some sort of homeless Grenfell equivalent disaster. I suppose they'll take solace that those fatcat capitalists got their hotel ruined.


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    #155
    Grab All Association
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    To be fair to the MEP the hotel did accommodate homeless families up until very recently. Doubt it would be well publicised that the families would have left it. A deletion of a tweet is sufficient in this case.


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    #156
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Twitter was better than RTE. RTE News, which I turned on to see if they referenced this, at their premier newscast at 9pm, had a talking head debate on the Pope. Later on it was immigration and trump. I don’t think the recap mentioned it

    Citizen journalism beats no journalism.


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    #157
    italodisco
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    Doltanian wrote: »
    There is alot of disappointed left wing liberals tonight that this was not some sort of homeless Grenfell equivalent disaster. I suppose they'll take solace that those fatcat capitalists got their hotel ruined.
    All the lefty social justice warriors / socialists (commies cough cough) / gluten free bowl fringe band wagon twats gone very quiet indeed....
    Until they find out there were no gender fluid toilets on the floors damaged in the fire
    Lol


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    #158
    _Dara_
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    Zackary Famous Bobsled wrote: »
    People would argue over anything.

    My thoughts too. What a flabbergasting thread.

    I’m delighted that there are no fatalities.


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    #159
    The_Valeyard
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    _Dara_ wrote: »
    My thoughts too. What a flabbergasting thread.

    I’m delighted that there are no fatalities.

    Exactly. That's the main thing to take from this. No one died. This wasn't an Irish Grenfell Tower.


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    #160
    Collie D
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    Doltanian wrote: »
    There is alot of disappointed left wing liberals tonight that this was not some sort of homeless Grenfell equivalent disaster. I suppose they'll take solace that those fatcat capitalists got their hotel ruined.

    I would bet there aren't.

    Nobody in their right mind would wish a tragedy of that scale to further a political agenda. And to imply they would just to get a dig in is almost as bad.

    Sad post!

    Well done to emergency services and no doubt the hotel staff/management for successfully evacuating everyone safely.


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    #161
    Working class heroes
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    Collie D wrote: »
    I would bet there aren't.

    Nobody in their right mind would wish a tragedy of that scale to further a political agenda. And to imply they would just to get a dig in is almost as bad.

    Sad post!

    Well done to emergency services and no doubt the hotel staff/management for successfully evacuating everyone safely.

    Ah bless, how naive...

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #162
    muckbrien
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Exactly. That's the main thing to take from this. No one died. This wasn't an Irish Grenfell Tower.

    I'm not sure that's strictly true

    It might be more accurate to say "no one died this time"

    I think the spread of fire in that type of building is a concern.


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    #163
    no.8
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    Hurrache wrote:
    And when people then realise there's no homeless families that seems to be the end of it for them, not a thought for those who may actually be living in those apartments in the process of losing their homes.


    Couldn't agree more. This is a disaster for many.
    - People who worked hard to save a deposit, fit out their home and pay a mortgage have lost everything and will continue to pay taxes.
    - Hotel guests will have had to flee in terror, also potentially losing belonging to fire or water damage (not sure the extent of the damage).
    - Hotel workers and maintenance staff out of the job indefinitely.
    - Firecrews risking life and limb tackling the blaze

    Yet here we are hearing arguments from delusional members of our bleeding heart society with tales of sorrow for housed homeless people who 1) have no actual god-given right to obtain hi-quality/luxury apartments / hotel rooms and 2) probably didn't even live there in the first place to begin with.

    While I like many feel for the homeless, they are not the victims here, its those above who've been made homeless and/or jobless. What a society


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    #164
    TanyGray
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    I see some political type on twitter posting "I have just called Dublin fire brigade for a fire in Ballymun". Do they ever miss a chance to say they saved the world?

    Werent some of those buildings, built at the same time as that hotel, found to be deficient in case of fire and the only reason they werent shut was because the county council office or tax office or something like that was in there too and they couldnt shut that as it would cost too much.


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    #165
    Varik
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    How does liability work for fires when the fire spreads, in the case of houses, apartments, or here in a hotel. It's apparently a private apartment where it started.


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    #166
    CeilingFly
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    Varik wrote: »
    How does liability work for fires when the fire spreads, in the case of houses, apartments, or here in a hotel. It's apparently a private apartment where it started.

    apartment bocks have block insurance paid from management fees.

    Now, if you didn't pay the management fees, there may be an issue.



    As for contents - I don't know.


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    #167
    tara73
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    Varik wrote: »
    How does liability work for fires when the fire spreads, in the case of houses, apartments, or here in a hotel. It's apparently a private apartment where it started.

    planning a building, and building from planning, a fire shoulln't spread like it is here. that's what the fire regulations are there for.

    you have different protections, and the type of the building defines which protections needs to be applied.

    the fire spread here before the fire brigade could arrive to put out the fire in the contained space. so something went wrong. could be anything from someone deliberately setting a place on fire, to technical fault of devices or indeed the building was not built according to fire regs.


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    #168
    muckbrien
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    tara73 wrote: »
    planning a building, and building from planning, a fire shoulln't spread like it is here. that's what the fire regulations are there for.

    you have different protections, and the type of the building defines which protections needs to be applied.

    the fire spread here before the fire brigade could arrive to put out the fire in the contained space. so something went wrong. could be anything from someone deliberately setting a place on fire, to technical fault of devices or indeed the building was not built according to fire regs.


    Looks like possibly rooms are only rated at 1-2 hours fire containment and then after that avoiding mass casualties depends on staged fire alarm system for evacuation before fire spreads.

    Add in dodgy Irish building practices to the mix and I'm glad we don't have too many high rises.

    What happened to old idea of containment of fire to a single apartment and fire brigade simply extinguishes the fire using the dry risers inside.


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    #169
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    Just went onto RTÉ website to view pictures of how the building looks this morning. There are none. It’s nearly 9am, are their reporters and cameramen still in bed?


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    CeilingFly
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Just went onto RTÉ website to view pictures of how the building looks this morning. There are none. It’s nearly 9am, are their reporters and cameramen still in bed?

    You obviously didn't check the front news page!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0321/949172-ballymun-fire/

    But sure let use a fire in some apartment block (fire was in apartments over the hotel) to bash rte - is that what we irish are great at - bashing things.

    Sure just look at the sf politicians - immdediatley using the "homeless" card

    Fools, stupid fools.


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    #171
    Zipppy
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    Fantastic job by DFB lads and lassies...a credit to the city and never get the recognition they deserve..


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    #172
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    CeilingFly wrote: »
    You obviously didn't check the front news page!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0321/949172-ballymun-fire/

    But sure let use a fire in some apartment block (fire was in apartments over the hotel) to bash rte - is that what we irish are great at - bashing things.

    Sure just look at the sf politicians - immdediatley using the "homeless" card

    Fools, stupid fools.

    Ah feck off. All I can see on your link is one tweet from Dublin fire brigade showing inside of building.

    Considering how this fire spread to other floors, I actually expect RTÉ to be onsite this morning reporting and investigating. Just because nobody died doesn’t make it any less serious.


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    #173
    vicwatson
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    CeilingFly wrote: »
    You obviously didn't check the front news page!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0321/949172-ballymun-fire/

    But sure let use a fire in some apartment block (fire was in apartments over the hotel) to bash rte - is that what we irish are great at - bashing things.

    Sure just look at the sf politicians - immdediatley using the "homeless" card

    Fools, stupid fools.

    RTE deserve a bashing


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    #174
    Vojera
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    If anyone is interested in what these apartments were like inside, these pictures are up on Daft (archive in case it's taken down).

    My wife and I viewed one a few years ago when we moved to the area (obviously not for that price!). They were a mixture of residential and corporate lets, but I got the impression they were all owned by the hotel (could be completely wrong in that). We didn't move in because it was expensive for the area and had a very "hotel" feel (open wardrobes with don't-rob-me hangers) so we felt like we'd never feel at home there.

    We live down the street now, but just happened we weren't home last night so thankfully missed it all.


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    #175
    tara73
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    muckbrien wrote: »
    Looks like possibly rooms are only rated at 1-2 hours fire containment and then after that avoiding mass casualties depends on staged fire alarm system for evacuation before fire spreads.

    Add in dodgy Irish building practices to the mix and I'm glad we don't have too many high rises.

    What happened to old idea of containment of fire to a single apartment and fire brigade simply extinguishes the fire using the dry risers inside.

    my guess (or hope, better to say) the hotel rooms had fire rated walls and the escape routes were sprinklered, as somebody else already mentioned.

    but the fire obviously broke out and spread in the apartment area. I'm not sure if the old containment (stay put) theory is any good, look at Grenfell tower...I think there should always be the concept of containing a fire, but this must include the escape routes too, speak emergency staircases and hallways leading to this e-staircase.

    Funnily enough, I stayed in the Metro Hotel one year ago for a night. Huge hotel, but I got the feeling there were not many guests at all. Which obviously was the case...
    I didn't realise at the time there were apartments above the hotel. And I find this very odd from the planning concept. Why put the apartments in the upper levels and not the hotel? From many aspects and especially fire aspects it doesn't make much sense..


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    #176
    weldoninhio
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Agree here.

    How builders got away with putting up shoeboxes is unforgivable.

    Noone held accountable.

    Yes, those damn builders. Better to have a go at them before knowing what happened/how the fire developed.



    "The “well-developed fire” had begun in an apartment on the 13th floor and travelled to the 10th floor but didn’t spread to the 11th or 12th floor, Dublin Fire Brigade said.

    “Compartmentation worked well in relation to the building. The fire spread from the 13th to the 10th, but not the 11th or 12th,” Dublin Fire Brigade’s Chief Fire Officer Patrick Fleming said."


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    #177
    steirishrover
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    Just went by it now (live in ballymun).. fire is completely out now. Strange that the lowest floor where the fire was is destroyed then the floor directly above it is only half destroyed by the rising fire it looks and then the floor directly above that again is completely destroyed..

    Strange that gap in between the floors of the fire.. was it 2 separate fires?


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    #178
    HONKEY TONK
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    From the Irish Independent this morning

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    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-literally-grabbed-whatever-i-was-reminded-of-the-grenfell-tower-residents-describe-fleeing-scene-of-ballymun-fire-36730721.html


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    #179
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    Could a window have been open and the sparks from the fire lit up the curtains of an apartment on another floor?


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    #180
    [Deleted User]
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    Actually looking at that photo from this morning it doesn’t look like those windows open.


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    #181
    Paulzx
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    Varik wrote: »
    How does liability work for fires when the fire spreads, in the case of houses, apartments, or here in a hotel. It's apparently a private apartment where it started.

    The insurance company of the premises the fire originated on are responsable for all costs related to the fire including damage caused by the fire and by the Fire Service.

    For example if a semi detached house goes on fire and spreads into the adjoining house the insurance company where the fire originated is liable.

    If the fire service decided to demolish an adjoining building to stop fire spreading the damage is attributed to the original fire (even if the building demolished did not go on fire).

    By law insurance companies cannot write in exemptions to this


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