why dont they move 'homeless' families out of Dublin to rural parts of Ireland?

nilescraneo · 05-01-2018 7:10pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

And what about the poor suckers that work for a living and have had to move to Leixlip or Drogheda because they were the only places they could afford to buy?? Do their family and friend ties not matter??

They have the means to buy or rent a property in those areas. The people that I know presenting as homeless haven't got the means to buy or get a mortgage and are ignored by private landlords, who have the luxury of picking and choosing tenants due to high demand, so don't even consider rent allowance applicants.

They are homeless in Dublin so have to be housed by a local authority in Dublin. Many I know are in hotels or hostels and have to trek across the city on to bring kids to school each morning and collect them in the evening.

I think it's pointless shifting these folks down the country where they are alienated from family friends, children are uprooted from school etc. Also the majority of jobs are in Dublin, so moving them reduces chances of employment. The desirable areas of the country are going to face the same property shortage as Dublin.

The people in support of this idea have bought into the FG ideology of punishing the poor for being poor and completely ignore the shambles of policies from the government, not to mention the preferential rates on loans NAMA are currently giving to developers who helped to cause this housing problem during the boom. Far easier to kick people when they are down I suppose.

Fann Linn · 05-01-2018 7:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why wouldn't they be going to the larger towns in Ireland?

Because the larger towns have their own housing problems.
All these rural ghost estates were introduced in tax exempt areas such as Cloonfad, Tulsk, Bellanagare, Scramoge purely for the reason of incentivising these and other very rural areas.

These houses are now lying idle, derelict and vandalised,getting all the copper and lead ripped out of them and being filled with waste.

MilesMorales1 · 05-01-2018 7:12pm

Because they've heard of the legendary stinginess of Andy From Sligo.

05-01-2018 7:13pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

school bus scheme is not free in rural Ireland
you have to pay for it.
however, most rural villages have schools. buses are not required.

lets take a small rural village in Longford. eg Abbeylara.
houses available? check
school needs more pupils? check
small village shop? check
village pub? check
sports facilities - check
bigger town nearby with larger supermarket? Granard - check
public transport to Dublin if needed - Longford - check.

Lets take Athlone instead.
houses available? check. Yup. and plenty of land nearby for more.
school needs more pupils? Need, no. Space for more, yes. Could easily reopen another two schools to compensate if needed.
small village shop? check. Plenty.
village pub? check. Plenty.
sports facilities - check. Plenty.
school bus scheme? Yup. Available. Needed? Only if you decide to live in the countryside.

It's funny the way many posters here talk about moving them to the countryside and then picks a tiny village or a town that's completely rundown as an example.

Yes! Lets pick Longford, because it's a hole and easier to pass off as impossible. Or a village in the middle of nowhere, because Dubliners are really going to love that.

Fann Linn · 05-01-2018 7:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lets take Athlone instead.
houses available? check. Yup. and plenty of land nearby for more.
school needs more pupils? Need, no. Space for more, yes. Could easily reopen another two schools to compensate if needed.
small village shop? check. Plenty.
village pub? check. Plenty.
sports facilities - check. Plenty.
school bus scheme? Yup. Available. Needed? Only if you decide to live in the countryside.

It's funny the way many posters here talk about moving them to the countryside and then picks a tiny village or a town that's completely rundown as an example.

Yes! Lets pick Longford, because it's a hole and easier to pass off as impossible. Or a village in the middle of nowhere, because Dubliners are really going to love that.

Is there any coco housing left in Athlone?
I dont think so.
Planning permissions also being reduced in south of the county so as to encourage development in the northern part.

pjohnson · 05-01-2018 7:24pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lets take Athlone instead.
houses available? check. Yup. and plenty of land nearby for more.
school needs more pupils? Need, no. Space for more, yes. Could easily reopen another two schools to compensate if needed.
small village shop? check. Plenty.
village pub? check. Plenty.
sports facilities - check. Plenty.
school bus scheme? Yup. Available. Needed? Only if you decide to live in the countryside.

It's funny the way many posters here talk about moving them to the countryside and then picks a tiny village or a town that's completely rundown as an example.

Yes! Lets pick Longford, because it's a hole and easier to pass off as impossible. Or a village in the middle of nowhere, because Dubliners are really going to love that.

Athlone is the contryside?

end of the road · 05-01-2018 7:27pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So you are saying that people who actually live in these places already are deprived?

I don't think so. Social supports in this country are actually quite generous.

The no jobs issue will not apply, if a Dublin family has not bothered to work will it?

People have to adapt. Those commuting from afar because they cannot afford to live in Dublin for example. But at least they are working and contributing.

I just do not understand this babying of people. A house, income from DSP, kids taken to school by bus, shopping can be delivered.

What exactly is your point?

school bus scheme costs a hell of a lot of money. shopping delivery costs also.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

There is a significant group of homeless SW people who are largely lifers. These should be targeted for cheaper built rural housing than given expensive homes in Dublin in deference to low paid workers families

again this is not viable due to cost. if it was cheaper to house these people in rural areas they would be there. the reality is it's either going to be more expensive, or it's going to become a bunch of dumping grounds which will end up with social problems that will cost us more then what we were trying to solve.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's not the buildings that causes the ghettos. It's certain people living in them. So create a policy to remove those that indulge in the behaviour that causes it. The residents themselves could determine who is causing issues and empowered to vote out the troublemakers.

we actually have that system already, however the trouble makers intimidate other residents. so they are unlikely to report them.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Apart from the many culchies moving to Dublin for work to be fair to return the favour, Dublin basically subsidises the rest of the country financially.

the fact that dublin partly subsidizes the country financially is irrelevant to anything as it's the job of the capital city to contribute to the running of the country. people come from the country to work in dublin is because it offers the opportunities elsewhere doesn't.

Spanish Eyes · 05-01-2018 7:31pm

nilescraneo wrote: »

They have the means to buy or rent a property in those areas. The people that I know presenting as homeless haven't got the means to buy or get a mortgage and are ignored by private landlords, who have the luxury of picking and choosing tenants due to high demand, so don't even consider rent allowance applicants.

They are homeless in Dublin so have to be housed by a local authority in Dublin. Many I know are in hotels or hostels and have to trek across the city on to bring kids to school each morning and collect them in the evening.

I think it's pointless shifting these folks down the country where they are alienated from family friends, children are uprooted from school etc. Also the majority of jobs are in Dublin, so moving them reduces chances of employment. The desirable areas of the country are going to face the same property shortage as Dublin.

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Plenty of working people have had to move outside the Pale to get housing. They would love to swop with the "entitled" cohort, you know, those not working and living in social housing in Dublin.

I am sure you can see that. But you probably won't because you may have a certain mindset that says everyone is entitled to everything. Eh, no they are not.

StupidLikeAFox · 05-01-2018 7:34pm

Why do people think this is a Dublin problem?

Here is an article from last may which states there are 1000 people on the athlone housing list:
http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2016/05/05/4119274-over-a-1000-people-waiting-on-athlone-housing-list/

1500 on longford's list last november:
http://www.shannonside.ie/news/local/longford/exclusive-1500-households-longford-social-housing-list/

There are small towns across the country who have seen nothing but social housing developments due to the cheap land but have not had the jobs or investment to support this, and there is a danger of creating a two tier country, wealthy towns vs poor towns

tomwaterford · 05-01-2018 7:35pm

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Why do people think this is a Dublin problem?

Here is an article from last may which states there are 1000 people on the athlone housing list:
http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2016/05/05/4119274-over-a-1000-people-waiting-on-athlone-housing-list/

1500 on longford's list last november:
http://www.shannonside.ie/news/local/longford/exclusive-1500-households-longford-social-housing-list/

There are small towns across the country who have seen nothing but social housing developments due to the cheap land but have not had the jobs or investment to support this, and there is a danger of creating a two tier country, wealthy towns vs poor towns

Go way with your facts and figures

Dakota Dan · 05-01-2018 7:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh. Shock! Horror! The injustice of it all! Just Imagine... having to pay.

The service is there. Bloody hell.

Calm down, the service is there because people pay for it.

Spanish Eyes · 05-01-2018 7:37pm

end of the road wrote: »

school bus scheme costs a hell of a lot of money. shopping delivery costs also.

Terrible isn't it that people might have to pay something towards their way of life.

Think of the savings they make not having to drive the kids to school or drive to the supermarket. Win win.

toptom · 05-01-2018 7:38pm

We don't want or need them in the countryside we've enough of crime and problems as it is without Dublin exporting more problems to us.

weldoninhio · 05-01-2018 7:39pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I keep hearing this on boards as if having kids is a conscious choice

Find an adult and ask them how kids are made.

Spanish Eyes · 05-01-2018 7:41pm

toptom wrote: »

We don't want or need them in the countryside we've enough of crime and problems as it is without Dublin exporting more problems to us.

But Dublin has to take in all you fekkin lot every day ha ha. Lighthearted in case you don't get the vibe.

Dublin is great, it's where everyone wants to be. And those who can't afford it moan here about rural school buses etc. But the GAA will see y'all through so relax.

Dakota Dan · 05-01-2018 7:43pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Find an adult and ask them how kids are made.

They are made when female goats are mounted by male goats when the female goat is in heat.

pgj2015 · 05-01-2018 7:43pm

Gatling wrote: »

It actually make perfect sense moving people out from the major cities to rural areas that have suffered from population decreases due to high immigration ,
It would revitalise small villages and towns around the country ,

And raise crime rates, lets be honest, any dubs iv seen moved to the countryside have cause nothing but trouble.

corner of hells · 05-01-2018 7:49pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

It actually make perfect sense moving people out from the major cities to rural areas that have suffered from population decreases due to high immigration ,
It would revitalise small villages and towns around the country ,

And raise crime rates, lets be honest, any dubs iv seen moved to the countryside have cause nothing but trouble.

All them ?

I've a couple of minutes before I head out to do a night of break ins , so do elaborate.

pjohnson · 05-01-2018 7:50pm

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Why do people think this is a Dublin problem?

Here is an article from last may which states there are 1000 people on the athlone housing list:
http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2016/05/05/4119274-over-a-1000-people-waiting-on-athlone-housing-list/

1500 on longford's list last november:
http://www.shannonside.ie/news/local/longford/exclusive-1500-households-longford-social-housing-list/

There are small towns across the country who have seen nothing but social housing developments due to the cheap land but have not had the jobs or investment to support this, and there is a danger of creating a two tier country, wealthy towns vs poor towns

Thread is just dubs vs. residents of other 25 counties hahahah

Mrnew · 05-01-2018 7:50pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

And raise crime rates, lets be honest, any dubs iv seen moved to the countryside have cause nothing but trouble.

1000s of dubs move to the country side to work and buy a house they can afford. That's a big statement to say all dubs are trouble makers

pgj2015 · 05-01-2018 7:53pm

corner of hells wrote: »

All them ?

I've a couple of minutes before I head out to do a night of break ins , so do elaborate.

Any dubs who have been moved down the country to free houses have always caused trouble, they come down with that im from dublin so im hard and somehow special attitude, the ridiculous walk and attitude problem, become know to the guards very soon.

Big Bag of Chips · 05-01-2018 7:54pm

end of the road wrote: »

school bus scheme costs a good bit of money. shopping delivery costs money.

I live in a rural area. My children get the bus to school. For 1 child the school bus cost, for the year (9-10 months/roughly 36 weeks) is €110. That works out at about €3 a week for my child to get to and from school. I actually have 3 children using the bus, and the total cost of the bus for the year is capped at €220. That works out at about €6 per week for the 3 of them (€2 each per week).

I don't think that's "a good bit of money". Then again, I'm used to having to pay for things that I need to use.

end of the road · 05-01-2018 7:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

With Smaller towns, there's less need for public transport internally, and I can get a bus to Dublin on the hour every hour.

not every town is like yours. you are judging the rest of the country by your situation and that isn't viable. unless you are on the free travel scheme, the bus costs money. internal transport ultimately doesn't matter as these people wouldn't be housed in the towns and even if they were, unless they are going to be able to scrape together the commuting costs to their job in dublin, they are going to have to give it up and go on the wellfare as the small towns have few jobs for the demand.

Deleted User wrote: »

Job opportunities, sure. But the rest of us manage to survive... and let's assume your earlier remark that they're already unemployed is accurate, then job opportunities wouldn't be such an issue since they're already on welfare.

it would be an issue for me as a tax payer who will likely have to pay increased costs in some form for them to live in rural ireland.

Deleted User wrote: »

School bus schemes? Check. Shopping delivery? Check. Although, that person could get off their fat ass and walk the 2 miles to shop, and get a bus back part of the way.

school bus scheme costs a lot. shopping delivery costs. walking 2 miles to a shop isn't always viable for many reasons. busses only exist in some areas. you haven't a clue about the actual realities of rural ireland.

end of the road · 05-01-2018 7:54pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Plenty of working people have had to move outside the Pale to get housing.

irrelevant. and actually, they chose to move outside dublin to get housing, because the benefits it brought them outweighed the negatives and costs for them.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

They would love to swop with the "entitled" cohort, you know, those not working and living in social housing in Dublin.

i'm sure they may, but making rural ireland a dumping ground for the poor and all else won't allow the people who moved out to buy housing to live in dublin again.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I am sure you can see that. But you probably won't because you may have a certain mindset that says everyone is entitled to everything. Eh, no they are not.

or because we know the realities and pitfalls in relation to this proposal. it's not "self entitled" to put forward the actual realities. social cleansing doesn't work.

Nettle Soup · 05-01-2018 7:55pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Dublin is great, it's where everyone wants to be.

It's where everyone wants to be....MISERABLE!

beertons · 05-01-2018 7:57pm

I don't see what they shouldn't. There's asylum seekers in hotels all over the country. And they're not allowed work. How many of the homeless have jobs?

pjohnson · 05-01-2018 7:57pm

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

I live in a rural area. My children get the bus to school. For 1 child the school bus cost, for the year (9-10 months/roughly 36 weeks) is €110. That works out at about €3 a week for my child to get to and from school. I actually have 3 children using the bus, and the total cost of the bus for the year is capped at €220. That works out at about €6 per week for the 3 of them (€2 each per week).

I don't think that's "a good bit of money". Then again, I'm used to having to pay for things that I need to use.

Here the bus costs €7.50 per day, no capped fee...

michaelm · 05-01-2018 7:58pm

I don’t get the “won’t move to the country because my friends and family are here” argument. Every year approx 76% of school leavers from rural Ireland leave home in the Sep. following their LC. The majority never have the luxury of coming home. Life’s like that!

suicide_circus · 05-01-2018 7:59pm

People need to be told "No"

No, you can't choose where you live because you're not paying for it.

I cannot think of a single ethical difficulty with this idea. When you're living on the state's dollar you shouldn't get MORE choices than the working poor - that would be immoral.

It's the infantilisation of grown adults - they are like toddlers holding their breath until they get their way.

NO NO NO.

MilesMorales1 · 05-01-2018 8:01pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Here the bus costs €7.50 per day, no capped fee...

Less on a school child leap card though.

corner of hells · 05-01-2018 8:01pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

All them ?

I've a couple of minutes before I head out to do a night of break ins , so do elaborate.

Any dubs who have been moved down the country to free houses have always caused trouble, they come down with that im from dublin so im hard and somehow special attitude, the ridiculous walk and attitude problem, become know to the guards very soon.

Do describe the walk ?
I'm a Dub living in "de country" , by the way.

end of the road · 05-01-2018 8:03pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

all of irelands other towns have these, cork, limerick, waterford, galway...

and as these people wouldn't be housed in those cities, it won't change the actual realities that Fann Linn mentioned, realities you would know nothing about with the greatist of respect.

Idbatterim wrote: »

exactly! another 23 floor building is being built on sir john rogersons quay, amazing views etc, its going to be a prestige apartment block to live it, unlike ballymun, but again, I am sure it is all the buildings fault! LOL

you know exactly what the original comment meant. the ballymun flats were put up with no amenities and the people effectively left to fend for themselves. there was no thought given to the fact that eventually the people who originally moved in would get older and that no amenities and no oversight would lead to social problems.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Terrible isn't it that people might have to pay something towards their way of life.

Think of the savings they make not having to drive the kids to school or drive to the supermarket. Win win.

no, it's not terrible that someone would have to pay for something. however, as these people would be moving from an area where they can afford to pay for most things, to an area where they have now got extra costs, and on top of that they may have to give up their jobs, that means i have to pay out more in wellfare. and yes they will have to drive places, and of course we know people's opinions of people who may be on wellfare or struggling with housing having a car.

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

I live in a rural area. My children get the bus to school. For 1 child the school bus cost, for the year (9-10 months/roughly 36 weeks) is €110. That works out at about €3 a week for my child to get to and from school. I actually have 3 children using the bus, and the total cost of the bus for the year is capped at €220. That works out at about €6 per week for the 3 of them (€2 each per week).

I don't think that's "a good bit of money". Then again, I'm used to having to pay for things that I need to use.

i'm also used to paying for things that i need to use. however i also recognise that some may not be able to afford to do so as much as they would want to.

05-01-2018 8:04pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Is there any coco housing left in Athlone?
I dont think so.
Planning permissions also being reduced in south of the county so as to encourage development in the northern part.

There's quite a bit of property that wasn't completely finished or was held under Nama. Quicker than building from scratch.

It's interesting that there is housing for all our immigrants but nothing for these Dubliners.

And TBH I'm not suggesting that Athlone take all 8k homeless... but it could take a thousand of them. So too could a dozen of other semi sized towns in the midlands/east side of Ireland. Or even just send them to the bigger towns along the Dublin-galway road.

The problem with the objections I've heard is that you seek to shut down any possibility of sending the homeless outside of Dublin. Everywhere outside of Dublin is too difficult, too small, too expensive, etc. The focus is entirely on fixing the issue in Dublin...

pjohnson wrote: »

Athlone is the contryside?

A rather decent part of Athlones' population is living in the countryside. But no, I wouldn't normally consider Athlone to be the countryside.

end of the road wrote: »

again this is not viable due to cost. if it was cheaper to house these people in rural areas they would be there. the reality is it's either going to be more expensive, or it's going to become a bunch of dumping grounds which will end up with social problems that will cost us more then what we were trying to solve.

Still waiting on all these missing or inadequate necessary services...

James 007 · 05-01-2018 8:09pm

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Move all the culchies out of Dublin, free up some space. Problem solved.

Go away boggers.

Dublin would turn into a ghetto full of unemployed no jobber wanabees and the economy would collapse if this was to happen. The economy is very dependant on qualified country professionals who value education and learning. Moving homeless people from Dublin to the countryside would not be acceptable either. Country people go back to their families and holiday homes several times a year simply to get away from the 'howya's' etc, besides that they wouldn't allow it anyway. Homeless dublin people need to get up off there arses and get a proper education and quit playing the system for the welfare and child benefits, the hard earned taxes taken from hard working country people.

Dakota Dan · 05-01-2018 8:09pm

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

I live in a rural area. My children get the bus to school. For 1 child the school bus cost, for the year (9-10 months/roughly 36 weeks) is €110. That works out at about €3 a week for my child to get to and from school. I actually have 3 children using the bus, and the total cost of the bus for the year is capped at €220. That works out at about €6 per week for the 3 of them (€2 each per week).

I don't think that's "a good bit of money". Then again, I'm used to having to pay for things that I need to use.

We were paying 600/Child/year nearly 10 years ago, what part of the country are you in to get special rates?

end of the road · 05-01-2018 8:09pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

People need to be told "No"

No, you can't choose where you live because you're not paying for it.

I cannot think of a single ethical difficulty with this idea. When you're living on the state's dollar you shouldn't get MORE choices than the working poor - that would be immoral.

It's the infantilisation of grown adults - they are like toddlers holding their breath until they get their way.

NO NO NO.

the fact that your not paying for it is irrelevant to whether you can choose where to live or not, the only thing you are paying for is the building you live in . the area is just a way to screw more money out of you. those living on wellfare don't get more choices then the working poor and even if they did there is nothing immoral about it, as it would be done for necessary reasons.

Oranage2 · 05-01-2018 8:13pm

If the government took a strong stance on career welfare recipients, it may encourage these people to actually not choose this way of life.

But I feel that these work-shy over-entitled delicate daffodils are not about self improvement And they need to be bubble wrapped through life.

It's funny how the arguments are basically

Cut welfare = these people will commit more crime

Give this people 1 choice of a forever home = too far away from their support network and they will end up homeless

05-01-2018 8:17pm

There is a real sense of Othering from this thread its ludicrous the 'homeless' are not some homogeneous group that can just be banished. There is homelessness in other parts of Ireland not just Dublin and finely do the rural communities that the homelessness are to be banished to get any say.

BillyBobBS · 05-01-2018 8:24pm

What a boards thread bashing the homeless and those down on their luck. This must be a first?

yosser hughes · 05-01-2018 8:35pm

mariaalice wrote: »

There is a real sense of Othering from this thread its ludicrous the 'homeless' are not some homogeneous group that just be banished. There is homelessness in other parts of Ireland not just Dublin and finely do the rural communities that the homelessness are to be banished to get any say.

"Othering" Straight out of an Arts and Humanities textbook.
predictable and pathetic

05-01-2018 8:39pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

"Othering" Straight out of an Arts and Humanities textbook.
predictable and pathetic

But that exactly what it is a belief or sense that the 'homeless' are a different group that the normal or average Irish person do not have any kinship with.

0ph0rce0 · 05-01-2018 8:40pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

What a boards thread bashing the homeless and those down on their luck. This must be a first?

Unless your sleeping in a cardboard box on the street your not homeless. Bollocks that.

No way the majority of the "HOMELESS" have nowhere to go. Don't believe it for a second.

Bunch a mooching cnuts.

But the government? bunch of useless cnuts too. 40 Million for 14 families in a hotel for a year.

2.8 Million each?? That's a Killiney gaff and expenses for a year for each family and more.

end of the road · 05-01-2018 9:12pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

If the government took a strong stance on career welfare recipients, it may encourage these people to actually not choose this way of life.

the very tiny minority who choose wellfare would do so regardless. they don't want to work and no employer wants them.

Oranage2 wrote: »

But I feel that these work-shy over-entitled delicate daffodils are not about self improvement And they need to be bubble wrapped through life.

correct. i no more like it then you but it is what it is unfortunately.

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's funny how the arguments are basically

Cut welfare = these people will commit more crime

Give this people 1 choice of a forever home = too far away from their support network and they will end up homeless

because unfortunately experience from other countries which don't have a wellfare system or a reduced one shows those arguments to be accurate.

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Unless your sleeping in a cardboard box on the street your not homeless. Bollocks that.

No way the majority of the "HOMELESS" have nowhere to go. Don't believe it for a second.

Bunch a mooching cnuts.

But the government? bunch of useless cnuts too. 40 Million for 14 families in a hotel for a year.

2.8 Million each?? That's a Killiney gaff and expenses for a year for each family and more.

the vast majority of those families are not a "Bunch a mooching cnuts"
they are families down on their luck. no, they are not homeless, but their accommodation situation isn't sustainible.

0ph0rce0 · 05-01-2018 9:28pm

end of the road wrote: »

the vast majority of those families are not a "Bunch a mooching cnuts"
they are families down on their luck. no, they are not homeless, but their accommodation situation isn't sustainible.

I'd love to see some stats on how many of the people in emergency accommodation / on the housing lists are actually people that are / were down on their luck, How many people that had jobs even at say average salaries of 30k ish a piece and lost them, people that had a house and lost it etc...

I reckon it's fcuk all. Those people moved home, went back to college or started some sort of adult education, upskilled or got a better job and got back into the market or into private rented accommodation.

It never seems to be John or Jane single person in these situations It's John & Jane 50 kids.

corner of hells · 05-01-2018 9:33pm

Couldn't give you any stats , but seen lots genuinely down on their luck from all walks of life , ex firemen , soldiers , accountants , a solicitor, lots of tradesmen and lots of individuals with marital break ups.

yosser hughes · 05-01-2018 9:38pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Couldn't give you any stats , but seen lots genuinely down on their luck from all walks of life , ex firemen , soldiers , accountants , a solicitor, lots of tradesmen and lots of individuals with marital break ups.

No, you couldn't. The vast majority of 'homeless' are there by choice or have never tried in life.
They're not 'down on their luck' Luck had nothing to do with it.
Having kids when you have never had a job and no intention of ever getting one and rely on other workers to support you; is an absolute disgrace.
Apologists and bleeding heart merchants if anything, exacerbate the problem and actually condemn people to a life on welfare. It's infnatilsation and it's not what the original welfare state envisioned. It should never have become a way of life, but it has and this has been propagated by the left who feel a life of welfare is all people want and deserve.

0ph0rce0 · 05-01-2018 9:39pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Couldn't give you any stats , but seen lots genuinely down on their luck from all walks of life , ex firemen , soldiers , accountants , a solicitor, lots of tradesmen and lots of individuals with marital break ups.

And I'm not doubting that there are always genuine people that need help. It just annoys me that people give you stick for even the mention of the scroungers which I would believe most these people are. What parent lets thier child and grandchildren sleep in hostels. None that's who. Even if you only had a couch to give you would.

Is it their fault? I don't know probably not? Is it the Governments fault? Probably/ Probably not?

Have a look here at the attached. This is the application for social housing. You can choose were you wan't to live. Take Dun Laoghaire for instance.

Foxrock, Mount Merrion, Blackrock, Stillorgan, Killiney, Dalkey just to name a few. These places even when the country was at it's lowest the houses in these areas still can get 1, 2, 3, 4 Million plus.

Take away the options, You take whats offered, You get no choice and that's that. You'd soon see the list getting shorter

corner of hells · 05-01-2018 9:47pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Couldn't give you any stats , but seen lots genuinely down on their luck from all walks of life , ex firemen , soldiers , accountants , a solicitor, lots of tradesmen and lots of individuals with marital break ups.

No, you couldn't. The vast majority of 'homeless' are there by choice or have never tried in life.
They're not 'down on their luck' Luck had nothing to do with it.
Having kids when you have never had a job and no intention of ever getting one and rely on other workers to support you is an absolute disgrace.

I dunno., I don't work so much with families ,more so homeless individuals and couples in a low threshold environment.
Lots of significant mental health and physical disabilities, chronic drug use etc.
I can certainly think of a few , maybe a handful that are playing the system looking for "that" local authhority property but most are not there by choice.

05-01-2018 9:49pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

By the age of 12, 7 of my older brothers and sisters had left Ireland for good. Back in the 1950s both my parents had to emigrate, coming home in the mid-1960s when the economy picked up. For economic reasons, millions upon millions of Irish people since 1845 have not had the luxury of staying at home with friends and family, be it having to leave rural Ireland for an Irish city or leave Ireland entirely for other countries. Leaving one's home area permanently is, I suggest, the real experience of a large majority of Irish people.

I fully appreciate that there are people - particularly young mothers - who need extra support and compassion from close family and friends and associate being away from home with loneliness and isolation and therefore further mental health issues. However, nobody is saying they should move to some uninhabited island off Connacht. There are plenty of areas in rural Ireland with excellent supports and, like most other Irish people, they will just have to build up new friendships when they move to a new area. After all, we all have to make that basic effort at making networks in our workplaces never mind in our private lives.

Beggars can't be choosers might sound harsh, but it is a reality which applies to us all in some area of our lives - whether it's doing crappy aspects of our jobs or having to put up with certain people that we'd rather not put up with. We don't have the luxury to say 'No' to many things, thanks in large part to our need to pay our mortgage/rent every month. In this context, I think people rejecting an offer of a free/very cheap nice house in rural Ireland in the hope that they'll get a nice house in Dublin should lose their place on the housing list. No debate. Brazen chancers, but also disturbingly ruthless: how many people would choose to raise their young children in one-room temporary accommodation for years in the hope of getting a home in Dublin versus getting a much bigger, nicer home in rural Ireland fairly quickly?

corner of hells · 05-01-2018 9:50pm

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Couldn't give you any stats , but seen lots genuinely down on their luck from all walks of life , ex firemen , soldiers , accountants , a solicitor, lots of tradesmen and lots of individuals with marital break ups.

And I'm not doubting that there are always genuine people that need help. It just annoys me that people give you stick for even the mention of the scroungers which I would believe most these people are. What parent lets thier child and grandchildren sleep in hostels. None that's who. Even if you only had a couch to give you would.

Is it their fault? I don't know probably not? Is it the Governments fault? Probably/ Probably not?

Have a look here at the attached. This is the application for social housing. You can choose were you wan't to live. Take Dun Laoghaire for instance.

Foxrock, Mount Merrion, Blackrock, Stillorgan, Killiney, Dalkey just to name a few. These places even when the country was at it's lowest the houses in these areas still can get 1, 2, 3, 4 Million plus.

Take away the options, You take whats offered, You get no choice and that's that. You'd soon see the list getting shorter

We're going to have to agree to differ on this one , very few homeless in hostels id call scroungers , I'd agree with you about the issue with housing lists .

why dont they move 'homeless' families out of Dublin to rural parts of Ireland?

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