why dont they move 'homeless' families out of Dublin to rural parts of Ireland?

Andy From Sligo

Just been hearing on the radio news this morning that some families in the Gresham Hotel in Dublin and other Hotels in Dublin that the hotels will no longer be accepting payments for 'homeless' families from various departments soon ...

My simplistic view at the moment without thinking about it too hard (gives me a headache) - why dont they move the families out of Dublin to other rural parts of Ireland, not into hotels but do up some of these houses going on the market for 70,000 or whatever it is and ghost estates left by the celtic tiger?

MagicIRL

Because that's how you get ghettos.

You don't want ghettos.

Dr Crayfish

Because Sinn Fein and the AAA etc.

Dr Crayfish

MagicIRL wrote: »

Because that's how you get ghettos.

You don't want ghettos.

They could be mixed in estates with working people

c_man

It's been ten years, those ghost estates must be in some state by now.

Kivaro

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Just been hearing on the radio news this morning that some families in the Gresham Hotel in Dublin and other Hotels in Dublin that the hotels will no longer be accepting payments for 'homeless' families from various departments soon ...

My simplistic view at the moment without thinking about it too hard (gives me a headache) - why dont they move the families out of Dublin to other rural parts of Ireland, not into hotels but do up some of these houses going on the market for 70,000 or whatever it is and ghost estates left by the celtic tiger?

Good man Andy.
And why does the working men and women in this country have to pay for this?

http://www.ruralresettlement.com/

Dravokivich

A lot of them also work and their place of work is more than likely Dublin. If they are having difficulty affording somewhere to live in Dublin, I doubt they'd be able to afford the commute.

Ush1

They don't want to move too far away from their mas gaff.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Andy From Sligo wrote:

My simplistic view at the moment without thinking about it too hard (gives me a headache) - why dont they move the families out of Dublin to other rural parts of Ireland, not into hotels but do up some of these houses going on the market for 70,000 or whatever it is and ghost estates left by the celtic tiger?

Andy From Sligo wrote:

Just been hearing on the radio news this morning that some families in the Gresham Hotel in Dublin and other Hotels in Dublin that the hotels will no longer be accepting payments for 'homeless' families from various departments soon ...

Because they're not really homeless

Fr_Dougal

Move them to Sligo.

km991148

Great idea!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study

Hector Bellend

MagicIRL wrote: »

Because that's how you get ghettos.

You don't want ghettos.

On a cold and grey Roscommon morning ....................................

Foxhound38

Because only a furreva home next to mammy will be good enough.

Green&Red

Anytime you hear the argument that people on the list for a house should be moved to houses outside of Dublin you hear the counter that they will be too far away from their support network. Absolute nonsense which has no study to back up.

To rebuke some of the arguments above
- nobody is suggesting moving them all to the one estate, nationwide would eliminate the ghetto issue
- people in line for a free house are on social welfare - therefore no job
- over 90% of the homeless in Ireland are unemployed, using the remainder to stop this is lunacy

Before Christmas there was a report on Six One about a family in Clare who had gotten a new council house in time for Christmas. The father of the family was interviewed saying how delighted they were that they had gotten the house, they had been on the list for seven years.
Camera proceeds to pan around and show four kids under the age of seven
My blood boiled

nice_guy80

Green&Red wrote: »

Anytime you hear the argument that people on the list for a house should be moved to houses outside of Dublin you hear the counter that they will be too far away from their support network. Absolute nonsense which has no study to back up.

To rebuke some of the arguments above
- nobody is suggesting moving them all to the one estate, nationwide would eliminate the ghetto issue
- people in line for a free house are on social welfare - therefore no job
- over 90% of the homeless in Ireland are unemployed, using the remainder to stop this is lunacy

Before Christmas there was a report on Six One about a family in Clare who had gotten a new council house in time for Christmas. The father of the family was interviewed saying how delighted they were that they had gotten the house, they had been on the list for seven years.
Camera proceeds to pan around and show four kids under the age of seven
My blood boiled

couples with children are just as entitled to housing as couples with no children
I don't get the fume

yeah, people shouldn't be allowed to refuse housing.
if they do, they should go back to the bottom of the list

cruizer101

Kivaro wrote: »

Good man Andy.
And why does the working men and women in this country have to pay for this?

Who do you think is paying to put them up in the hotels at far more expense?

Whilst I don't think moving them all down the country is necessarily a good idea, putting them up in hotels at massive expense is definitely a terrible one

weldoninhio

nice_guy80 wrote: »

couples with children are just as entitled to housing as couples with no children
I don't get the fume

yeah, people shouldn't be allowed to refuse housing.
if they do, they should go back to the bottom of the list

If you can't provide for yourself, you shouldn't be bringing kids into the world that you can't provide for.

Gone Drinking

I know a girl who's a receptionist in a Dublin hotel, Dublin City Co Co have a 120 grand bill with them for housing homeless people. This is just one small hotel..

She says that sometimes its genuine family's or couples, but a lot of them is just junkies and their mates who leave the place in a wreck afterwards. They've had guests complain plenty of times because of them screaming and wrecking the place throughout the night.

I heard a report was released with some of the excuses provided by people, someone in Cork said no to a house because the view of the sea outside made her seasick. Another said there was not enough space in the back garden for a trampoline.

I remember listening to an FM104 talk show 15 years ago, with a young girl of about 14 on it, saying she was getting up the duff on purpose to get a free house and didn't care where the father went after. Was her plan all a long.

People should be put in homes wherever available, if they refuse, let them stay with their parents or go homeless.

I work for a modest wage, I've to pay my own way, buy my own house, pay for my dental and hospital treatments. For someone to say they get all that free, then refuse the offer of a house based on location is insanity. Where's the incentive to actually want to work for a living?

Barry Badrinath

Move all the culchies out of Dublin, free up some space. Problem solved.

Go away boggers.

Riva10

why dont they move 'homeless' families out of Dublin to rural parts of Ireland?
"Out of sight, out of mind springs" to mind. Bit of embarrassment to tourists I suppose.
Or you can always claim "NIMBY"

Pelvis

Green&Red wrote: »

- people in line for a free house are on social welfare - therefore no job

You can have a job and still be entitled to social housing.

wakka12

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

Gone Drinking

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

Why can't they go live with their family or friends until they're back on their feet then?

You shouldn't be able to have your cake and eat it, that's why people are purposely not working to get a free house.

Unfair is for the rest of us to pay for everything, so others don't have to pay for ANYTHING.

major bill

question is, how many couples in hotels suddenly be able to move back home if asked to move down the country?

Some genuine people being put up in hotels but others are only there cos they know its ''speeds up'' their application for a house.

Eponymous

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

But it's okay for working families to have to do so in order to buy a home?

Green&Red

Pelvis wrote: »

You can have a job and still be entitled to social housing.

You're talking about the minority in fairness, its much easier to solve the major problem and sort out the anomalies afterwards

nice_guy80 wrote: »

couples with children are just as entitled to housing as couples with no children
I don't get the fume

Absolutely they are, in fact more entitled to them some would argue

If however I am on the waiting list for a new house then I need to budget for what I have rather than increasing the pressure and expecting others to solve it for me.
People who have jobs and are say in a two bedroom house and cannot afford a larger one will not just go ahead and have four more kids

Riskymove

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

do you realise how many people and families had to move away to get work or an affordable house in recent years?

omega man

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

I was born and raised in Dublin but couldn’t afford to live anywhere near my family home or pretty much anywhere in Dublin so myself and my partner bought a house in West Meath and both commuted to our work in Dublin for many years until we could afford to relocate.

Why then should anyone be entitled to a social property because of family / friends support reasons etc? Particularly anyone not in employment. Whatever happened to people working hard to get what they want ffs.

lmimmfn

Free house down the country wouldn't be worth half a million

Kivaro

cruizer101 wrote: »

Who do you think is paying to put them up in the hotels at far more expense?

Whilst I don't think moving them all down the country is necessarily a good idea, putting them up in hotels at massive expense is definitely a terrible one

They should not be put up in hotels.
I wouldn't mind be put up in the Gresham, but I can't because I am not homeless and I can't afford it, which is a ridiculous scenario.

I also do not want to fork out 70,000 "or whatever" of tax payer money to give the Dublin homeless houses in rural areas of Ireland.

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

So far? Athlone to Dublin is slightly less than an hour by car or train. Plenty of options closer to Dublin than Athlone, but even if you went as far as Galway, it's still only a bit above 2 hours travel. You really believe that 1 or 2 hours is too far? :rolleyes:

red sean

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

What about the people who have to move to a county away from their family etc. because their work takes them?

Cina

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

So unfair! I mean, really, it's not like they get handed loads of free money for not doing any work, and even more free money for popping out kids that they supposedly can't afford, and free rent for accommodation whilst the majority of people who do work in Dublin have to pay extortionate rent and can't buy the houses they want due to the obscene prices and mortgage rates.

The poor things, obviously expecting them to move away from their family to get their free house for contributing nothing to society other than raise a load of kids who'll likely end up leeching social welfare too is completely unfair and they should be given their house's where they damn well want them!

Fr_Dougal

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Move all the culchies out of Dublin, free up some space. Problem solved.

Go away boggers.

But then who would steal yore jobs and wimmins? Although we could rent our houses back you youse for mucho euros...🤔

SEPT 23 1989

things are bad enough for them without having to live in the sticks

corner of hells

major bill wrote: »

question is, how many couples in hotels suddenly be able to move back home if asked to move down the country?

Some genuine people being put up in hotels but others are only there cos they know its ''speeds up'' their application for a house.

It does not speed up their application for a house , that's an illusion trotted out every so often.

An individual or family is assessed according to their needs when they present as homeless .

Right now people are being from hotels and B&B.s. into family hubs with main criteria is that you commit to looking for private rented and if you want you can hang on hoping a local authhority will house you.

When registered as homeless , you can be assessed as being with or without priority according to your need an example now would be that a male in his late twenties or early thirties with no disabilities ilk health etc. will be told he will wait about right years to be housed by a local authhority.

_Brian

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

If these people were actually truly homeless they would accept a home anywhere and be genuinely grateful for the chance to start a new life.

But no, for so many they feel somehow entitled to be housed in the most expensive places in the City just because they have friends there.

Plenty of people have to move away from home to better themselves rather than depending on social welfare for their whole lives.

I’m all for removing supports to people who turn down appropriate housing when it’s offered - you don’t like what the state has offered at the expense of the tax payers - fine, off you go and sort something better yourself.

Gatling

c_man wrote: »

It's been ten years, those ghost estates must be in some state by now.

Most aren't ghost estates anymore ,only a handful need to be finished off which is apparently happening this year

Sofiztikated

People do realise that there's waiting lists and **** outside of Dublin as well?

Gatling

It actually make perfect sense moving people out from the major cities to rural areas that have suffered from population decreases due to high immigration ,
It would revitalise small villages and towns around the country ,

Pelvis

Pelvis wrote: »

You can have a job and still be entitled to social housing.

Green&Red wrote: »

You're talking about the minority in fairness, its much easier to solve the major problem and sort out the anomalies afterwards

National unemployment is approx 6%. Are you saying the majority of those in or waiting for social housing are unemployed?

NIMAN

Dublin is now a major hub, with all the jobs and the attractiveness that it offers for workers, families etc.

Obviously it will always be hard to house people who think they are automatically entitled to a house in this European capital, where house prices and rents are sky high and every property is over-subscribed.

Got to thinking, how do other major European cities handle these issues? Surely Paris, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona, London, Manchester, Amsterdam, Copenhagen etc all have people who want houses in the centre of the city, near everything.

How do their Governments handle this?

Barry Badrinath

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

But then who would steal yore jobs and wimmins? Although we could rent our houses back you youse for mucho euros...🀔

Eh hellloooo, the fordinurs could!

All joking aside, DCC need to start building up instead of out. That would help for a start.

_Brian

Gatling wrote: »

It actually make perfect sense moving people out from the major cities to rural areas that have suffered from population decreases due to high immigration ,
It would revitalise small villages and towns around the country ,

Small villages are not revitalised by turning them into a dumping ground for hoards of families on social welfare with no means nor often desire to support themselves.

What you are referring to are satellite ghettos, a way of a city dumping its problems so the space taken up by these people can be developed for those not on social welfare.

s4uv3

A lot of posts in this thread giving out about homeless people, the unemployed, and junkies playing the system. Really, imo, it's the system that's completely fuuuuucked. If the system wasn't so lenient and playable, we wouldn't have half these problems.
Hate the game, not the playaz.

weldoninhio

wakka12 wrote: »

Because, even homeless people have family and friend ties and I think its unfair to give somebody a housing option so far outside the city they are from.

And what about the poor suckers that work for a living and have had to move to Leixlip or Drogheda because they were the only places they could afford to buy?? Do their family and friend ties not matter??

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Got to thinking, how do other major European cities handle these issues? Surely Paris, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona, London, Manchester, Amsterdam, Copenhagen etc all have people who want houses in the centre of the city, near everything.

How do their Governments handle this?

Most cities have skyscrapers or similar to combat their population demands.

Those who were lucky to buy property ages ago in the center, continue to live there and those with the appropriate incomes can buy/rent in the center also. The remainder live in the suburbs and commute in the mornings with the aim that as they get older/promoted/wealthier then they can either buy something closer to the center or move into the countryside.

Most of the middle-aged professionals (in relationships/married/wChildren) I know, generally want to live in the countryside away from the pollution, noise etc of the city. It's the single people that push for the city areas. But ultimately the closer you are to the center, the more expensive everything is, and therefore out of reach for most.

Dravokivich

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Eh hellloooo, the fordinurs could!

All joking aside, DCC need to start building up instead of out. That would help for a start.

You can't just build up and expect that to solve the issue. Apartments have regularly been over priced, under sized and terribly built in this country.

NIMAN

s4uv3 wrote: »

A lot of posts in this thread giving out about homeless people, the unemployed, and junkies playing the system. Really, imo, it's the system that's completely fuuuuucked. If the system wasn't so lenient and playable, we wouldn't have half these problems.
Hate the game, not the playaz.

But I'm afraid there is a lot of players too, more than I think are ever going to be revealed.

Do you honestly believe there are nearly 9000 people homeless now in Ireland? Do you, honestly?

Or are the numbers being inflated by those who are being recorded as homeless when they aren't.

I think its time we changed how we count homelessness in this country, cos the way we are doing it now is wrong.

vicwatson

Be too far away from Dublin airport to depart for their sun holiday maybe?