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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • #6542
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Most idiotic post Ive ever read and that says a lot.

    Drinking addiction doesn't change you life no?

    Drinking kills

    Smoking kills

    Far as I know, you can't die of a gambling overdose. Worst that can happen is you completely broke or in debt.


    Many die of gambling addiction (suicide) anyways its gone way off topic time to move on lads.


  • #6543
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,442 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Many die of gambling addiction (suicide) anyways its gone way off topic time to move on lads.

    That's suicide. Not gambling.

    Suicide happens for many reasons. Gambling and drinking being two reasons that can lead to it, or contribute to it happening.

    Way off topic anyway. No law against any of the addictions we mentioned. Live and let live.


  • #6544
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    marcus001 wrote: »
    No gambling is not like smoking or drinking. A drinking problem can be managed and at the end of the day it only costs so much to get drunk. A gambling problem WILL ruin your life. The more money you have the more you have to lose.

    Any addiction can ruin your life.

    I know functional alcoholics that put away over a litre of vodka a day, and hold onto serious jobs. I know others that buy 3 x 3L of Devils Bit at 10.30am, and can't hold onto a job because they aren't sober.

    And a gambling addiction can't kill you by going cold turkey.


  • #6545
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Gamebred wrote:
    Many die of gambling addiction (suicide) anyways its gone way off topic time to move on lads.


    No, they die of suicide, caused by severe depression. The addiction obviously might lead to that, but to say gambling is worse than alcohol or smoking is absolutely ludicrous. Gambling problem is solved easier than drug addiction too!


  • #6546
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Gamebred wrote:
    Many die of gambling addiction (suicide) anyways its gone way off topic time to move on lads.


    Love this too, make a stupid claim and tell me change subject in the same sentence.


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  • #6547
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Most idiotic post Ive ever read and that says a lot.

    Drinking addiction doesn't change you life no?

    Drinking kills

    Smoking kills

    Far as I know, you can't die of a gambling overdose. Worst that can happen is you completely broke or in debt.


    Idiotic post . Thats not the worst thing that can happen with a gambling addiction . Off topic so wont elaborate.


  • #6548
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Sweet Science wrote:
    Idiotic post . Thats not the worst thing that can happen with a gambling addiction . Off topic so wont elaborate.


    Enlighten me via PM.

    Your post is off topic but you won't tell me why cos it's off topic? I've called you out many times on your bul**** posts and not once have you backed anything you said up.


  • #6549
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    No, they die of suicide, caused by severe depression. The addiction obviously might lead to that, but to say gambling is worse than alcohol or smoking is absolutely ludicrous. Gambling problem is solved easier than drug addiction too!


    Another beauty


  • #6550
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Sweet Science wrote:
    Another beauty


    How you gamble with no money? Does paddy power give you bets on tick?


  • #6551
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    How you gamble with no money? Does paddy power give you bets on tick?


    Very naive . No money would never stop a gambling addict.


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  • #6552
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Sweet Science wrote:
    Very naive . No money would never stop a gambling addict.


    What exactly is being gambled then if you have no funds to gamble?

    Tell me someone who has died of gambling

    Tell me someone who does irreversible damage to there body by gambling

    Gambling no doubt is a serious, life changing addiction but to say it's worse than drugs or alcohol is really not true.


  • #6553
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    What exactly is being gambled then if you have no funds to gamble?

    Tell me someone who has died of gambling

    Tell me someone who does irreversible damage to there body by gambling

    Gambling no doubt is a serious, life changing addiction but to say it's worse than drugs or alcohol is really not true.


    Other peoples. You haven't come across people with serious addictions in your life with gambling . Thats good . I have . I know what can happen. So dont try edcuate me, thanks.


  • #6554
    marcus001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    walshb wrote: »
    I was more comparing the financial losses of a mega millionaire who likes to gamble to an average joe on an average salary who likes to smoke or drink.

    Also, at least with gambling you can make money.

    It all comes down to the individual and how he/she copes with and manages their addictions.

    Btw, why can drinking and smoking be managed and gambling cannot? If they are all addictions then they can all be managed. It all depends on the persons involved. Some gamblers manage their gambling better than others. Same with drinkers.

    No you can't. Its exactly this belief that makes gambling addicts addicts.

    Well I won't say for certain that gambling can't be managed, but its literally the only vice that could lose you a multimillion dollar fortune.


  • #6555
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,442 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    marcus001 wrote: »
    No you can't. Its exactly this belief that makes gambling addicts addicts.

    Yes, you can....

    Example: you put on ten euro on a horse at 10-1 to win and it wins you have made 100 euro.

    Drinking: You go to a pub and buy a pint. You hand over circa 5 euro and you leave with 5 euro less in your pocket.

    It's all very simple.


  • #6556
    marcus001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    What exactly is being gambled then if you have no funds to gamble?

    Tell me someone who has died of gambling

    Tell me someone who does irreversible damage to there body by gambling

    Gambling no doubt is a serious, life changing addiction but to say it's worse than drugs or alcohol is really not true.

    You're just deliberately narrowing the focus of addiction to what it does to your body when in actual fact the effects are far more profound than that. A huge percentage of fraudsters in prison did it to get out of gambling debt. Its hard to drink the entire children's allowance, it really isn't hard to gamble it away.


  • #6557
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, you can....

    Example: you put on ten euro on a horse at 10-1 to win and it wins you have made 100 euro.

    Drinking: You go to a pub and buy a pint. You hand over circa 5 euro and you leave with 5 euro less in your pocket.

    It's all very simple.


    A gambling addict never has any money. There is obviously different levels of addiction though i agree. Im talking the extreme end .

    Its no longer about trying to make money. Its just gambling because you have to.


  • #6558
    marcus001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, you can....

    Example: you put on ten euro on a horse at 10-1 to win and it wins you have made 100 euro.

    Drinking: You go to a pub and buy a pint. You hand over circa 5 euro and you leave with 5 euro less in your pocket.

    It's all very simple.

    Someone who doesn't understand probability, house edge, margin etc. Over time 99% of people lose to the bookies.

    The only way to make money gambling is to walk into a bookies, place one bet, win and then walk away and never return. They always return though.


  • #6559
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Sweet Science wrote:
    Other peoples. You haven't come across people with serious addictions in your life with gambling . Thats good . I have . I know what can happen. So dont try edcuate me, thanks.

    I have actually. Lived with a guy with a huge gambling problem, went to rehab a few times and is sorted now thank God.

    I also know, and am friends with alcohol and other drug addiction. I know which one id prefer to be


  • #6560
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Sweet Science wrote:
    Other peoples. You haven't come across people with serious addictions in your life with gambling . Thats good . I have . I know what can happen. So dont try edcuate me, thanks.


    Also, you think drug addicts don't borrow, beg and steal to fund there addiction?


  • #6561
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Also, you think drug addicts don't borrow, beg and steal to fund there addiction?


    Of course they do. They dont need to rob/con/fraud a limitless supply of money though


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  • #6562
    marcus001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    Look, all addicts can be unreliable, dangerous and self destructive people, but gambling is the only vice that could destroy Floyd's fortune.


  • #6563
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    And alcohol and drugs could literally destroy his life.

    Lose your fortune or lose your life


  • #6564
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    And alcohol and drugs could literally destroy his life.

    Lose your fortune or lose your life

    All three are soul destroying, you can lose money, borrow money, end up in debt to the wrong type of person and have your life crushed by gambling.

    Just take a look at many of the famous Irish sports people who's lives were turned upside down by gambling.

    There is no doubt all three are debilitating.

    Anyway that's pretty far from Mayweather beating McGregor!


  • #6565
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »
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    Mayweather won 2 & 3 on two judges cards .. ie if the cards had counted he won rounds 2&3.
    That doesn't disagree with anything I said though :confused:

    Saying "the judges didn't think" he won 2 and 3 implies they were unanimous. They weren't. One scored then for McGregor. Which undermines the idea that Walshb's scoring is out if whack. That's all I was pointing out.
    Rounds 2-4 were really close. Going either way is not totally unreasonable, but I did feel at the time that the judges would take it upon themselves to "discipline" the scorecards for rd 2.


  • #6566
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    And alcohol and drugs could literally destroy his life.

    Lose your fortune or lose your life


    At least its only your own life


  • #6567
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Draw
    Comparing alcoholism and gambling addiction by the same metrics is bizarre. Two differently afflictions. It doesn't matter which is worse for your health or your wallet.


    But saying alcoholism is so bad because it doesn't cost too much to get drunk it's insanely naive. That has to be trolling. No adult could actually think that.


  • #6568
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Sweet Science wrote: »
    At least its only your own life

    And the wife. And the kids. And the brothers and sisters. And the people you screw over to indulge in your addiction.

    **** sake lads, stop arguing over which addiction is worse. An addict is an addict, no matter what the vice is.

    Bunch of ****ing children.


  • #6569
    The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman


    Floyd via DQ
    Mellor wrote: »
    That doesn't disagree with anything I said though :confused:

    Saying "the judges didn't think" he won 2 and 3 implies they were unanimous. They weren't. One scored then for McGregor. Which undermines the idea that Walshb's scoring is out if whack. That's all I was pointing out.
    Rounds 2-4 were really close. Going either way is not totally unreasonable, but I did feel at the time that the judges would take it upon themselves to "discipline" the scorecards for rd 2.

    No saying "the judges didn't think" did not imply that it was unanimous. It was a simple and accurate statement. 2 of the 3 judges gave rounds 2 & 3 to Mayweather. So he won both rounds, which is all I was pointing out.

    I didn't say the rounds weren't close. Personally I wouldn't disagree with giving McGregor round 2, after that I would disagree with him winning any rounds but again that's just my opinion.


  • #6570
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Floyd via DQ
    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    No, they die of suicide, caused by severe depression. The addiction obviously might lead to that, but to say gambling is worse than alcohol or smoking is absolutely ludicrous. Gambling problem is solved easier than drug addiction too!

    I believe the point that was being made earlier was that in terms of one day then it can be argued that gambling can be worse in the context of destroying ones life (excluding death). Because alcoholics can only drink x amount of money in one day, drugs are a bit more expensive but financial damage is limited to what can be used in one day - but gamblers can lose everything in one day, financial damage is unlimited in one day, therefore destroying lives within 24 hours - imagine it, you wake up one morning and have a house over your head plus life savings in the bank, then that night it's all gone.

    In the context of addictions too it is deemed that gambling is more difficult to overcome than drugs and alcohol. The success rates of overcoming such addictions prove such. Why - because you can place an alcoholic / drug addict into a treatment centre and they will be separated from their poison - with gambling the drug is in their minds, and as such is brought everywhere, whether that's a treatment centre or a jail cell - therefore it is believed to be much more difficult to overcome.


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  • #6571
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    begbysback wrote:
    In the context of addictions too it is deemed that gambling is more difficult to overcome than drugs and alcohol. The success rates of overcoming such addictions prove such. Why - because you can place an alcoholic / drug addict into a treatment centre and they will be separated from their poison - with gambling the drug is in their minds, and as such is brought everywhere, whether that's a treatment centre or a jail cell - therefore it is believed to be much more difficult to overcome.


    You can't gamble in treatment centre/ rehab. You have no access to internet,tv, fone or even a newspaper!

    Don't know what you mean by the gambling is in there minds. Alcoholic and drug user will also have their next sup/fix on there mind all day every day.

    Financially, yes, gambling addiction will make you broke faster than drink or drugs, but to say a gambling addiction is worse than drugs is a crazy thing to say.

    That's it on this subject and thread for me now


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