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US Open 2017

  • 26-08-2017 12:59AM
    #1
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Draws are made, so time to start the thread for the last grand slam of the year!

    Women's Draw
    Men's Draw

    Here's to a good fortnight!


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  • #2
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    First thing that stands out to me if the potential Federer-Kyrgios fourth rounder :cool: If they both get that far, can you imagine how partisan the crowd would be? Nick would be treated appallingly obviously, but imagine how sweet it would be if Nick sent Federer packing in front of a crowd like that? B)

    Some other fascinating potential fourth rounders on the WTA side, some a lot less likely to happen than others. Kerber-Ostapenko, Muguruza-Kvitova and Venus-Wozniacki, which could potentially be the match of the tournament imo.

    Pliskova's draw is pretty straightforward until the QF's if she's up to it.


  • #3
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    Don't think I've ever seen such an uneven draw in tennis. Top half looks stacked with all the form players from Fed and Rafa to Kyrgios and Dimitrov and Querrey.

    Bottom half littered with uncertainty, be it Murray and Cilic's injuries that haven't seen either of them on court since Wimbledon to Zverev's lack of success over 5 sets.

    Murray's quarter in particular looks very weak if he struggles, Ferrer probably the one with the most consistent recent form of that group but I'd say any one of ten could win out there.

    Himself and Anderson would be my two picks from the bottom half to make the semi's. Both fairly large odds but Kevin in particular has looked difficult to beat on hard court this season and seems to be peaking unlike a lot of others.


  • #4
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Murray's draw is a complete joke - gives him a huge opportunity to play himself into form. The conspiracy theorist in me feels Andy may well have been waiting for the draw to confirm his participation. The mega conspiracy theorist in me feels the USO had this on their mind...

    It looks like kyrgios' path to the 4th round is facile enough, so it'll be fingers crossed he's fit and firing. Him and Roger could be an epic

    I think this could be a real clusterfcuk of a tournament though. Guys like monfils, isner and even ferrer who've been around the tour so long must be thinking what an opportunity to perhaps sneak one major title

    I hope Murray's fit and doesn't go out to Schwartzmann or someone. If he can walk he should be making at least a semi here though. Even there there's doubts over zverev's major prowess and cilic fitness.

    I don't think Nadal is much of a huge factor anymore on hard. Id love if Dimitrov or Kyrgios made the final. Berdych may well be worth a sneaky each way bet though


  • #5
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    Don't think I've ever seen such an uneven draw in tennis. Top half looks stacked with all the form players from Fed and Rafa to Kyrgios and Dimitrov and Querrey.

    Rafa hasn't been on form on hard since about 2013 and Dimitrov and Kyrgios are complete enigmas. So on paper I don't think it's that strong. The whole draw is weak - which is what you expect when 3 semi-finallists from last year aren't competing (plus raonic)

    With respect to Querrey he doesn't belong in conversations like these


  • #6
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,150 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Halep vs Sharapova in the first round will be interesting.


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  • #7
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Halep vs Sharapova in the first round will be interesting.

    Jesus, how did I forget to mention that in my OP! Halep is obviously the favourite, but it'd literally be hilarious if she loses. She's never beaten Sharapova either.


  • #8
    Johnmb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Johnmb


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    Jesus, how did I forget to mention that in my OP! Halep is obviously the favourite, but it'd literally be hilarious if she loses. She's never beaten Sharapova either.
    If Sharapova plays, and is fit, I don't think Halep is the favourite by any stretch! A fit Sharapova will come through that match relatively comfortably (score may be close, but she'll never look like losing). Problem for her will be the next round or two if Halep can keep it long, her body doesn't seem to be able to recover quickly enough since she started playing the tour again.


  • #9
    RosyLily
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭RosyLily


    Murray has withdrawn from the tournament due to hip injury.


  • #10
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,150 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I am wondering all these players withdrawing have seen the way Federer and Nadal have gone this year after their time off and have now decided to do that. It will be interesting to see how Djokovic, murray and Wawrinka do next year after the time off.


  • #11
    RosyLily
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭RosyLily


    Bet the organisers are wishing Federer and Nadal were on opposite sides of the draw now!! They never played in New York...meeting in the final would have been big.

    An article in The Guardian mentioned that Andy's hip injury could signal early signs of arthritis. Hope it's not!

    Azarenka has confirmed that she won't be playing due to the custody battle.


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  • #12
    Johnmb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Johnmb


    RosyLily wrote: »
    Murray has withdrawn from the tournament due to hip injury.
    FFS, his hip is no more injured today than it was yesterday when the draw was being done. He should have withdrawn before the draw so that the seedings would be reasonable and the draw more balanced.


  • #13
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Johnmb wrote: »
    FFS, his hip is no more injured today than it was yesterday when the draw was being done. He should have withdrawn before the draw so that the seedings would be reasonable and the draw more balanced.

    Yeah I'm sure he went over to New York for the last week on holiday. There's no chance at all it might have gotten worse today or anything...

    Armchair supporters know best!

    Murray is a disgrace really for not factoring in a "balanced draw" and not making a decision sooner. a hefty fine would teach him


  • #14
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Floppybits wrote: »
    I am wondering all these players withdrawing have seen the way Federer and Nadal have gone this year after their time off and have now decided to do that. It will be interesting to see how Djokovic, murray and Wawrinka do next year after the time off.

    Assume murray will sit out the year now aswell.


  • #15
    Johnmb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Johnmb


    jr86 wrote: »
    Yeah I'm sure he went over to New York for the last week on holiday. There's no chance at all it might have gotten worse today or anything...

    Armchair supporters know best!

    Murray is a disgrace really for not factoring in a "balanced draw" and not making a decision sooner. a hefty fine would teach him
    Actually it's very unlikely that there has been any change. Stupidity most likely caused him to leave it so late to withdraw, it's not like it came as a shock to anyone. It happens quite a lot in sports as everyone who participates knows and has likely done themselves, doesn't make it right though.


  • #16
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Johnmb wrote: »
    Actually it's very unlikely that there has been any change. Stupidity most likely caused him to leave it so late to withdraw, it's not like it came as a shock to anyone. It happens quite a lot in sports as everyone who participates knows and has likely done themselves, doesn't make it right though.

    Whether it was pig headedness or actual hope presumably he was hoping for some improvement to be able to play. He got through a decent chunk of Wimbledon and has had a decent lay off. I reckon he is at the point where he could get through a few rounds before it gave up on him.

    He (like every other player there) is a competitor. He wants to be in the Open badly. It is possible he lied to himself about the injury or that he actually had a chance of having enough movement in the hip. I doubt he intentionally waited till after the draw. I don't see the benefit


  • #17
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Whether it was pig headedness or actual hope presumably he was hoping for some improvement to be able to play. He got through a decent chunk of Wimbledon and has had a decent lay off. I reckon he is at the point where he could get through a few rounds before it gave up on him.

    He (like every other player there) is a competitor. He wants to be in the Open badly. It is possible he lied to himself about the injury or that he actually had a chance of having enough movement in the hip. I doubt he intentionally waited till after the draw. I don't see the benefit

    This is a far more reasonable and realistic view of it


  • #18
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,150 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    100% agree with Christy42. If there was a chance to play then murray was going to hold on till last possible moment.

    What probaby happened is that he thought he could get through a few rounds like he at Wimbledon but I suspect what has happened is that hr has been monitored by a specialist and at the latest consultation the specialist has told him that if he wants to recover from this he will need to miss the us open. Id say the reason he hasnt just said he is finished for the season is that the are monitoring the hip and he is hoping to maybe play before the year end.

    If it was me i would have written the year off after Wimbledon and so what ever needs to be done to get the problem fixed and come back next year.


  • #19
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Johnmb wrote: »
    her body doesn't seem to be able to recover quickly enough since she started playing the tour again.
    I wonder why that is :pac:

    Maria takes the 1st set.


  • #20
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Maria was in control of that set, let a lot of chances go, then Halep hit that great forehand on the run and it's been a different match since. Sharapova could still have it finished off by this point though. I reckon Halep will come through now, but I'm still hoping Sharapova can do it.

    I'd never really looked much past the Halep match, but if Sharapova can get through she's surely got a great chance of making the QF's, maybe even the semi's.


  • #21
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Just the 55 unforced errors from Maria...


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  • #22
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    mickmackey1 wrote: »
    Just the 55 unforced errors from Maria...

    Keeping it tidy then :pac: Halep has barely reached double figures in winners.


  • #23
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Big hold.


  • #24
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Konta/Halep was probably the best match at Wimbledon and now they're both gone :eek:


  • #25
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    Sascha Zverev won in straights but none too convincing. Ferrer bites the dust first round. Really if Cilic is back firing and fully fit that bottom half is his for the taking.


  • #26
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 24,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Floppybits wrote: »
    I am wondering all these players withdrawing have seen the way Federer and Nadal have gone this year after their time off and have now decided to do that. It will be interesting to see how Djokovic, murray and Wawrinka do next year after the time off.

    Completely different sport but I've seen a few rugby players in and around the 30 mark taking a full season off to relax and rest the body and they come back in great form and keep playing for 3 or 4 more seasons at the highest level. It's not that surprising that the older you get the longer it might take to recover from something but it doesn't mean you can't recover from it.


  • #27
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    >>>>MOD SNIP<<<<

    None of that, thanks.


  • #28
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    What part of the charter says we can't discuss Federers unnatural physique for someone of his age? Mods burying the biggest issue in tennis away like the ITF did for years.


  • #29
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 24,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    What part of the charter says we can't discuss Federers unnatural physique for someone of his age? Mods burying the biggest issue in tennis away like the ITF did for years.

    That's not what your post said and we've always been very clear about this issue.


  • #30
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭Christy42


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Completely different sport but I've seen a few rugby players in and around the 30 mark taking a full season off to relax and rest the body and they come back in great form and keep playing for 3 or 4 more seasons at the highest level. It's not that surprising that the older you get the longer it might take to recover from something but it doesn't mean you can't recover from it.

    They have to wait till 30/31 though to do it right?

    I don't know. Seeing players take a section of the year off like Federer does not seem right to me. Not blaming Roger, the rules were set out and he did what was best for him. I feel like anyone in the top section should be made (injury permitting) play on all 4 surfaces. However first the schedule needs to ensure players don't end up flogged to death via this system.

    I reckon a few small changes could do it. Make Cinnci/Canada a you have to play one of them if you are top 32 etc or a take one masters off card each year and you get more if you are older (maybe with T and Cs about skipping certain surfaces too much). I don't see the schedule as ridiculous. Just a small release valve for players who need might help. I don't see it happening cos of money but still.


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  • #31
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 24,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Christy42 wrote: »
    They have to wait till 30/31 though to do it right?

    In tennis there used to be some rule about picking and choosing your schedule to such a degree, I think it has more to do with how long you've been on the tour rather than age, although it probably coincides with being 30+


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