US Open 2017

yerwanthere123

Draws are made, so time to start the thread for the last grand slam of the year!

Women's Draw
Men's Draw

Here's to a good fortnight!

yerwanthere123

First thing that stands out to me if the potential Federer-Kyrgios fourth rounder :cool: If they both get that far, can you imagine how partisan the crowd would be? Nick would be treated appallingly obviously, but imagine how sweet it would be if Nick sent Federer packing in front of a crowd like that?

Some other fascinating potential fourth rounders on the WTA side, some a lot less likely to happen than others. Kerber-Ostapenko, Muguruza-Kvitova and Venus-Wozniacki, which could potentially be the match of the tournament imo.

Pliskova's draw is pretty straightforward until the QF's if she's up to it.

Rekop dog

Don't think I've ever seen such an uneven draw in tennis. Top half looks stacked with all the form players from Fed and Rafa to Kyrgios and Dimitrov and Querrey.

Bottom half littered with uncertainty, be it Murray and Cilic's injuries that haven't seen either of them on court since Wimbledon to Zverev's lack of success over 5 sets.

Murray's quarter in particular looks very weak if he struggles, Ferrer probably the one with the most consistent recent form of that group but I'd say any one of ten could win out there.

Himself and Anderson would be my two picks from the bottom half to make the semi's. Both fairly large odds but Kevin in particular has looked difficult to beat on hard court this season and seems to be peaking unlike a lot of others.

jr86

Murray's draw is a complete joke - gives him a huge opportunity to play himself into form. The conspiracy theorist in me feels Andy may well have been waiting for the draw to confirm his participation. The mega conspiracy theorist in me feels the USO had this on their mind...

It looks like kyrgios' path to the 4th round is facile enough, so it'll be fingers crossed he's fit and firing. Him and Roger could be an epic

I think this could be a real clusterfcuk of a tournament though. Guys like monfils, isner and even ferrer who've been around the tour so long must be thinking what an opportunity to perhaps sneak one major title

I hope Murray's fit and doesn't go out to Schwartzmann or someone. If he can walk he should be making at least a semi here though. Even there there's doubts over zverev's major prowess and cilic fitness.

I don't think Nadal is much of a huge factor anymore on hard. Id love if Dimitrov or Kyrgios made the final. Berdych may well be worth a sneaky each way bet though

jr86

Rekop dog wrote: »

Don't think I've ever seen such an uneven draw in tennis. Top half looks stacked with all the form players from Fed and Rafa to Kyrgios and Dimitrov and Querrey.

Rafa hasn't been on form on hard since about 2013 and Dimitrov and Kyrgios are complete enigmas. So on paper I don't think it's that strong. The whole draw is weak - which is what you expect when 3 semi-finallists from last year aren't competing (plus raonic)

With respect to Querrey he doesn't belong in conversations like these

Floppybits

Halep vs Sharapova in the first round will be interesting.

yerwanthere123

Floppybits wrote: »

Halep vs Sharapova in the first round will be interesting.

Jesus, how did I forget to mention that in my OP! Halep is obviously the favourite, but it'd literally be hilarious if she loses. She's never beaten Sharapova either.

Johnmb

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Jesus, how did I forget to mention that in my OP! Halep is obviously the favourite, but it'd literally be hilarious if she loses. She's never beaten Sharapova either.

If Sharapova plays, and is fit, I don't think Halep is the favourite by any stretch! A fit Sharapova will come through that match relatively comfortably (score may be close, but she'll never look like losing). Problem for her will be the next round or two if Halep can keep it long, her body doesn't seem to be able to recover quickly enough since she started playing the tour again.

RosyLily

Murray has withdrawn from the tournament due to hip injury.

Floppybits

I am wondering all these players withdrawing have seen the way Federer and Nadal have gone this year after their time off and have now decided to do that. It will be interesting to see how Djokovic, murray and Wawrinka do next year after the time off.

RosyLily

Bet the organisers are wishing Federer and Nadal were on opposite sides of the draw now!! They never played in New York...meeting in the final would have been big.

An article in The Guardian mentioned that Andy's hip injury could signal early signs of arthritis. Hope it's not!

Azarenka has confirmed that she won't be playing due to the custody battle.

Johnmb

RosyLily wrote: »

Murray has withdrawn from the tournament due to hip injury.

FFS, his hip is no more injured today than it was yesterday when the draw was being done. He should have withdrawn before the draw so that the seedings would be reasonable and the draw more balanced.

jr86

Johnmb wrote: »

FFS, his hip is no more injured today than it was yesterday when the draw was being done. He should have withdrawn before the draw so that the seedings would be reasonable and the draw more balanced.

Yeah I'm sure he went over to New York for the last week on holiday. There's no chance at all it might have gotten worse today or anything...

Armchair supporters know best!

Murray is a disgrace really for not factoring in a "balanced draw" and not making a decision sooner. a hefty fine would teach him

jr86

Floppybits wrote: »

I am wondering all these players withdrawing have seen the way Federer and Nadal have gone this year after their time off and have now decided to do that. It will be interesting to see how Djokovic, murray and Wawrinka do next year after the time off.

Assume murray will sit out the year now aswell.

Johnmb

jr86 wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure he went over to New York for the last week on holiday. There's no chance at all it might have gotten worse today or anything...

Armchair supporters know best!

Murray is a disgrace really for not factoring in a "balanced draw" and not making a decision sooner. a hefty fine would teach him

Actually it's very unlikely that there has been any change. Stupidity most likely caused him to leave it so late to withdraw, it's not like it came as a shock to anyone. It happens quite a lot in sports as everyone who participates knows and has likely done themselves, doesn't make it right though.

Christy42

Johnmb wrote: »

Actually it's very unlikely that there has been any change. Stupidity most likely caused him to leave it so late to withdraw, it's not like it came as a shock to anyone. It happens quite a lot in sports as everyone who participates knows and has likely done themselves, doesn't make it right though.

Whether it was pig headedness or actual hope presumably he was hoping for some improvement to be able to play. He got through a decent chunk of Wimbledon and has had a decent lay off. I reckon he is at the point where he could get through a few rounds before it gave up on him.

He (like every other player there) is a competitor. He wants to be in the Open badly. It is possible he lied to himself about the injury or that he actually had a chance of having enough movement in the hip. I doubt he intentionally waited till after the draw. I don't see the benefit

jr86

Christy42 wrote: »

Whether it was pig headedness or actual hope presumably he was hoping for some improvement to be able to play. He got through a decent chunk of Wimbledon and has had a decent lay off. I reckon he is at the point where he could get through a few rounds before it gave up on him.

He (like every other player there) is a competitor. He wants to be in the Open badly. It is possible he lied to himself about the injury or that he actually had a chance of having enough movement in the hip. I doubt he intentionally waited till after the draw. I don't see the benefit

This is a far more reasonable and realistic view of it

Floppybits

100% agree with Christy42. If there was a chance to play then murray was going to hold on till last possible moment.

What probaby happened is that he thought he could get through a few rounds like he at Wimbledon but I suspect what has happened is that hr has been monitored by a specialist and at the latest consultation the specialist has told him that if he wants to recover from this he will need to miss the us open. Id say the reason he hasnt just said he is finished for the season is that the are monitoring the hip and he is hoping to maybe play before the year end.

If it was me i would have written the year off after Wimbledon and so what ever needs to be done to get the problem fixed and come back next year.

mickmackey1

Johnmb wrote: »

her body doesn't seem to be able to recover quickly enough since she started playing the tour again.

I wonder why that is :pac:

Maria takes the 1st set.

yerwanthere123

Maria was in control of that set, let a lot of chances go, then Halep hit that great forehand on the run and it's been a different match since. Sharapova could still have it finished off by this point though. I reckon Halep will come through now, but I'm still hoping Sharapova can do it.

I'd never really looked much past the Halep match, but if Sharapova can get through she's surely got a great chance of making the QF's, maybe even the semi's.

mickmackey1

Just the 55 unforced errors from Maria...

yerwanthere123

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Just the 55 unforced errors from Maria...

Keeping it tidy then :pac: Halep has barely reached double figures in winners.

mickmackey1

Big hold.

mickmackey1

Konta/Halep was probably the best match at Wimbledon and now they're both gone :eek:

Rekop dog

Sascha Zverev won in straights but none too convincing. Ferrer bites the dust first round. Really if Cilic is back firing and fully fit that bottom half is his for the taking.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Floppybits wrote: »

I am wondering all these players withdrawing have seen the way Federer and Nadal have gone this year after their time off and have now decided to do that. It will be interesting to see how Djokovic, murray and Wawrinka do next year after the time off.

Completely different sport but I've seen a few rugby players in and around the 30 mark taking a full season off to relax and rest the body and they come back in great form and keep playing for 3 or 4 more seasons at the highest level. It's not that surprising that the older you get the longer it might take to recover from something but it doesn't mean you can't recover from it.

Rekop dog

>>>>MOD SNIP<<<<

None of that, thanks.

Rekop dog

What part of the charter says we can't discuss Federers unnatural physique for someone of his age? Mods burying the biggest issue in tennis away like the ITF did for years.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Rekop dog wrote: »

What part of the charter says we can't discuss Federers unnatural physique for someone of his age? Mods burying the biggest issue in tennis away like the ITF did for years.

That's not what your post said and we've always been very clear about this issue.

Christy42

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Completely different sport but I've seen a few rugby players in and around the 30 mark taking a full season off to relax and rest the body and they come back in great form and keep playing for 3 or 4 more seasons at the highest level. It's not that surprising that the older you get the longer it might take to recover from something but it doesn't mean you can't recover from it.

They have to wait till 30/31 though to do it right?

I don't know. Seeing players take a section of the year off like Federer does not seem right to me. Not blaming Roger, the rules were set out and he did what was best for him. I feel like anyone in the top section should be made (injury permitting) play on all 4 surfaces. However first the schedule needs to ensure players don't end up flogged to death via this system.

I reckon a few small changes could do it. Make Cinnci/Canada a you have to play one of them if you are top 32 etc or a take one masters off card each year and you get more if you are older (maybe with T and Cs about skipping certain surfaces too much). I don't see the schedule as ridiculous. Just a small release valve for players who need might help. I don't see it happening cos of money but still.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Christy42 wrote: »

They have to wait till 30/31 though to do it right?

In tennis there used to be some rule about picking and choosing your schedule to such a degree, I think it has more to do with how long you've been on the tour rather than age, although it probably coincides with being 30+

mickmackey1

And Fed's streak of 20 GS sets in a row comes to an end.

yerwanthere123

That was a great title defense from Kerber then :pac: To be fair, Osaka is one of the worst possible first-rounders she could have got. Out of the top ten now, and with her chances of defending finalist points in Singapore slim, she may lose another 1,000 points before the year is out.

Good to see Ostapenko won her first match since Wimbledon, Cirstea up next.

Federer taken to five sets amidst rumours of a bad back, sets the stage perfectly for a fourth-round dragging at the hands of Kyrgios :cool:

Christy42

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

In tennis there used to be some rule about picking and choosing your schedule to such a degree, I think it has more to do with how long you've been on the tour rather than age, although it probably coincides with being 30+

It is a combination. You get some leeway for being on the tour a while, some leeway for matches played and some for age.

I know Murray hits the age one from this January. Don't think he hit the others yet. The system can be looked at as to how quickly players are getting the ability to skip a major without being injured. If they are getting them at an early enough point in their career and simply not using them then I agree with Fed, the tour is fine and players should schedule appropriately.

NoviGlitzko

I'm really worried about Federer's back injury. Is it still there? He shouldn't have too much difficulty come the next match but if he goes in to the second week playing like this he'll be smoked.

Christy42

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

I'm really worried about Federer's back injury. Is it still there? He shouldn't have too much difficulty come the next match but if he goes in to the second week playing like this he'll be smoked.

Kinda depends on how much he is telling the truth. He did say some of the rust was him being nervous about it as opposed to actually hindering him but that could easily just be talk. Hopefully it is alright.

Rekop dog

Kyrgios struggling again, probably shouldn't be surprised by his temperament in majors this year I guess.

Edit and gone. Very underwhelming US Open so far.

murphyebass

Come on Babos!!!

Put that dirty drug cheat away!!!!

Outside of her cheating her back turning and grunting is despicable.

paulie21

Another Sharapova controversy ha. Double bounce gate

murphyebass

Come on Babos!!!!

thelad95

Kyrgios temperament really is disgraceful. Smashing his racquet like a six year old and pretty much tanking once he went 2-1 down.

Sharapova really going overboard with the screaming here.

murphyebass

thelad95 wrote: »

Kyrgios temperament really is disgraceful. Smashing his racquet like a six year old and pretty much tanking once he went 2-1 down.

Sharapova really going overboard with the screaming here.

To be fair Kygios needs a coach that will tell him to cop the **** on.

Sharapova a screams are ****in stupid. Babos copying them out of spite I feel at this point.

Also if Babos does manage to win this it's not because she played amazing tennis.

She overachieved based on her ability.

But it's because the cheat is making a serious amount of unforced errors.

Dirty Dingus McGee

The droning noise in Arthur Ashe court is really annoying , I don't know if it's crowd noise being kept in by the roof or the ventilation system but it's pissing me off more than the screeching from Sharapova and Babos.

thelad95

Euro sports coverage doesn't make sense either. It's not a FTA channel so anyone who has it, is paying for it somehow as part of a TV sub but if you want to see anything other than whats on the main channel, you have to pay again online.

Rekop dog

Zverev dominant early against Coric in the battle of the supremely talented 20 year olds. Wonder how many majors these two will win between them over the next decade.

Only a few years ago Coric beat him en route to winning junior us open.

yerwanthere123

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

That was a great title defense from Kerber then :pac: To be fair, Osaka is one of the worst possible first-rounders she could have got. Out of the top ten now, and with her chances of defending finalist points in Singapore slim, she may lose another 1,000 points before the year is out.

Good to see Ostapenko won her first match since Wimbledon, Cirstea up next.

Federer taken to five sets amidst rumours of a bad back, sets the stage perfectly for a fourth-round dragging at the hands of Kyrgios :cool:

Well this worked out well :pac::rolleyes: Hope he sorts himself out for next year.

murphyebass wrote: »

Come on Babos!!!

Put that dirty drug cheat away!!!!

Outside of her cheating her back turning and grunting is despicable.

murphyebass wrote: »

Come on Babos!!!!

murphyebass wrote: »

To be fair Kygios needs a coach that will tell him to cop the **** on.

Sharapova a screams are ****in stupid. Babos copying them out of spite I feel at this point.

Also if Babos does manage to win this it's not because she played amazing tennis.

She overachieved based on her ability.

But it's because the cheat is making a serious amount of unforced errors.

Stay pressed :cool:

Rekop dog

Coric has turned this right around to lead 2-1. He's been easily the more composed here.

Zverev like Kyrgios showing you can make all the tour finals you like but Majors are a completely different animal, think Sascha tries too hard in these from what I've seen of him in majors this year.

NoviGlitzko

Im happy Coric won, simply because I don't see having Coric a chance to go far in this tournament and Zverev has, or had. But both of these players are too passive for me. If this is the future of men's tennis, then it looks ugly. As for Shapovalov, he looks to be a real talent. I wanted Tsonga to go far considering his draw, but now it looks like he well and truly won't win a slam.

The Fed/Nadal draw looks stacked. Apparently Federer was playing in central park in NY today to practice. All in good fun.

Rekop dog

I'm happy as well as have Anderson backed at huge odds as per my first post in thread so his route has become far easier, Zverev was his nemesis in a couple of hard court tournaments in Canada and Washington so good to have him out of the way. Two 3-0's in a row a good sign.

You'd still think Cilic will never have a better chance of winning another one of these though from the bottom half. Isner ranked 10th is the highest ranked player he can face en route to the final.


Reckon the semi line up will be:

Dimi v Fed

Anderson v Cilic

With a Dimitrov v Cilic final

mickmackey1

With the way things are going I'd nearly predict a Millman-Edmund final...

Christy42

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Im happy Coric won, simply because I don't see having Coric a chance to go far in this tournament and Zverev has, or had. But both of these players are too passive for me. If this is the future of men's tennis, then it looks ugly. As for Shapovalov, he looks to be a real talent. I wanted Tsonga to go far considering his draw, but now it looks like he well and truly won't win a slam.

The Fed/Nadal draw looks stacked. Apparently Federer was playing in central park in NY today to practice. All in good fun.

I am happy for Coric as well. I like Zverev but you want competition within the up and comers. Aside from Thiem no one in that age bracket has had close to the season that Zverev has had. For the first time in a long while there are players coming along that look like they will get a serious haul of trophies.

With Tiafoe and Shapovalov starting to come through as well there is a list of players that look to be big rivals for years to come. (Plus if Shapovalov has a great career McGee will be able to tell the young uns about the time he beat the great player (he beat him in a challenger back in May):p