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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭fbradyirl


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I think a reel that size is about 250m, so any duct segment that's that distance or less.

    That makes sense, because I see Eircom manholes about every ~150 meters on the kerb in the estate. Hopefully they have pulled the good stuff through & take us out of the dark ages ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭BandMember


    To be perfectly honest, so am I.
    The average home user simply isn't going to need that capacity on a day to day basis.
    It's a bit like having your water supply fed in on a 150mm pipe!

    It's all about future proofing - I really wish that I was hearing those words A LOT more in any discussion about the NBP and FTTH rollout.... :(

    As more people sign up to the network, as more 4K content becomes available, as Sky dishes and aerials become a footnote in history and your HD/4K tv is delivered through your internet, as 8K replaces 4K etc., people will need the higher speeds to cope.

    It won't be today or tomorrow, but do we really want to be back here again in 5/10 years time waiting for the Government to do another NBP because our speeds are the equivalent of dial up in today's terms? That would be great fun - especially as there will be all sorts of ownership issues which will cause problems with the EU should we need to go down this road again.

    Anyway, that's all for us to argue about in years to come - for the moment, let's get back to envying the lucky sods who are entering a whole new world as they get FTTH connections... :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,232 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    At the moment the only thing you need 1gb for is speedtests. :)

    PSN, Xbox live, steam etc all max out before you hit the 300mb speed. So anything over this is pretty redundant.

    But as an existing customer you get 1gb for the price of 150 for 6 months. When i worked out the averaged cost difference on my package compared to the 300 package over 18 months, it was only about 5 euro a month extra, and because i can drop the phone line i can actually add tv and 1 multiroom to my package and have it come in 5 euro cheaper than my old 3mb package !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    I think this may have already been discussed in this thread, but does the TV package with eir count against your FUP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭BandMember


    chewed wrote: »
    I think this may have already been discussed in this thread, but does the TV package with eir count against your FUP?

    Nope.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    BandMember wrote: »
    Nope.

    IIRC Ed E posted that it didn't count against the FUP. I read somewhere that services such as VOB and these TV services use a different wavelength (1550 nm) to the standard upload/download wavelengths (1310/1490 nm) on fibre which I guess makes it easier to meter the real FUP data.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭BandMember


    The Cush wrote: »
    IIRC Ed E posted that it didn't count against the FUP. I read somewhere that services such as VOB and these TV services use a different wavelength (1550 nm) to the standard upload/download wavelengths (1310/1490 nm) on fibre which I guess makes it easier to meter the real FUP data.

    That's just a fancy way of saying "nope"! Showoff..... :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    IPTV is sent multicast. So every station reaches every cabinet 24/7 every day whether anyone is watching. (FTTH cases its every OLT).

    That means if 0 watch or 200 the traffic for 90% of the route is the same with a little usage on the last mile. So they arent paying peering fees so it doesnt count for your cap.


    Whats interesting is with FTTC the traffic is entirely "free" to the operator as its only on one line so not streaming it would save nothing. With FTTH thats not true, and zero rated IPTV traffic still contends the 1:64 fibres. When you estimate provisioning for contention limits its always been conventional IP traffic, so 300:1 could be ok. But if you move the broadcast in there, how many households do you know where the TV is just left on?....

    NB: Video On Demand + Apps etc are not multicast and will be counted. Only live via the STB is zero rated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,593 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I don't see the 300Mb option on webiste.
    Only 150Mb and two x 1000Mb Options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I don't see the 300Mb option on webiste.
    Only 150Mb and two x 1000Mb Options.

    Not everything appears on their website, see their standalone and bundles pricing docs in the links

    https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf
    https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/pt4.1.10.pdf


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭digiman


    ED E wrote: »
    IPTV is sent multicast. So every station reaches every cabinet 24/7 every day whether anyone is watching. (FTTH cases its every OLT).

    That means if 0 watch or 200 the traffic for 90% of the route is the same with a little usage on the last mile. So they arent paying peering fees so it doesnt count for your cap.


    Whats interesting is with FTTC the traffic is entirely "free" to the operator as its only on one line so not streaming it would save nothing. With FTTH thats not true, and zero rated IPTV traffic still contends the 1:64 fibres. When you estimate provisioning for contention limits its always been conventional IP traffic, so 300:1 could be ok. But if you move the broadcast in there, how many households do you know where the TV is just left on?....

    NB: Video On Demand + Apps etc are not multicast and will be counted. Only live via the STB is zero rated.

    If that is true which I would doubt it is, then it is a very poor design. The only time a channel should occupy bandwidth all the way to the OLT or cabinet is when a user has joined that multicast channel. Think about it, suppose Eir have 100 SD channels at 4Mb/s each then they are using 400Mb of bandwidth and most people will be watching the same few channels anyway so they would be wasting in excess of 350Mb/s capacity on their uplinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Its manged by the DSLAM and channel switching time is important. If every time you changed channel there was a 3s handshake to chain back through the DSLAM, NGA Node, WEIL handoff and Operator IPTV node users would all go back to sky in an instant.

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    Doesnt explicitly say always on, but my understanding is it is. Bandwidth to the DSLAMs isnt really an issue. @BogStandardUser will be able to give a firm answer on that one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    BTW as a side note, we've talked about 1:64 and 1:32 before but the OE docs actually use 1:31 so thats probably the deployed rate (1 vport for testing). This may have been clarified before and I missed it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,232 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Anyone else having issues with the wired connection? I get, once or twice a day, a DNS error and can't connect for 3-4 mins until it sorts itself out. Wifi works fine during the wired outage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭digiman


    ED E wrote: »
    Its manged by the DSLAM and channel switching time is important. If every time you changed channel there was a 3s handshake to chain back through the DSLAM, NGA Node, WEIL handoff and Operator IPTV node users would all go back to sky in an instant.

    bPYOi2o.png

    Doesnt explicitly say always on, but my understanding is it is. Bandwidth to the DSLAMs isnt really an issue. @BogStandardUser will be able to give a firm answer on that one.

    I would be willing to wager it's not always on!!

    Also, don't forget it's not just Eir, Vodafone are also providing multicast so you could easily have 1Gb/s of bandwidth between both networks just been wasted on this going to every cab or OLT.

    You can get around the delay in channel switching by using unicast for the first few seconds, this allows you to flick up through channels much quicker then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    I am reporting from my drive around the Pallasgreen Co. Limerick exchange area today. The main villages of Pallasgreen, Nicker, Old Pallas and Kilteely which the exchange serves have not been wired up with Fibre as of yet. The exchange building is in the townland of Cloverfield about 6 Kilometres west from Pallasgreen village on the main N24 road. There is plenty of Fibre cables around the country side nort and west of the exchange building. It has reached Dromkeen village on the same main road. There is fibre cable going up towards Kilteely village but it doesn't cross the Old Pallas to Hebertstown road. Kilteely is around 5 Km south from the exchange.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭naughto


    Did I read on here about new house builds getting in on the the ftth house Craic,???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    naughto wrote: »
    Did I read on here about new house builds getting in on the the ftth house Craic,???

    When the latest NBP intervention map was published I posted on here about a 5 year old stalled build (walls only, no roof) that's been included in the 300,000 commercial rollout. It has a council notice at the site entrance since recently asking the owner to contact the council.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    The Cush wrote: »
    When the latest NBP intervention map was published I posted on here about a 5 year old stalled build (walls only, no roof) that's been included in the 300,000 commercial rollout. It has a council notice at the site entrance since recently asking the owner to contact the council.

    Hence the reason it's only premises passed. They probably can't avoid passing that house - so it's counted as one of the 300k - a few handy houses for eir to say they've passed. The NBP is obviously not too detailed in it's planning, or just choosing to ignore facts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    The Cush wrote: »
    When the latest NBP intervention map was published I posted on here about a 5 year old stalled build (walls only, no roof) that's been included in the 300,000 commercial rollout. It has a council notice at the site entrance since recently asking the owner to contact the council.

    I know of one locally also.
    It would have an eircode so would be an included premises.

    Even stranger though is that a farmers barn close by is also included, but it too has an eircode!

    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    I know of one locally also.
    It would have an eircode so would be an included premises.

    Even stranger though is that a farmers barn close by is also included, but it too has an eircode!

    :D

    Planning done from google maps? Another reason I see this taking a lot longer than they're saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    damienirel wrote: »
    Planning done from google maps? Another reason I see this taking a lot longer than they're saying.

    Google maps?

    What has google maps to do with eircodes?
    Were google maps used to generate eircodes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Google maps?

    What has google maps to do with eircodes?
    Were google maps used to generate eircodes?


    Eircodes I think may have been generated from the ESB - they keep a list of premises with a live connection.
    Maybe that shed close to you has it's own esb meter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    Eircodes were generated from the An Post geodirectory. So, in theory there should only be Eircodes for buildings with their own address, but in a database that size there are bound to be mistakes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    plodder wrote: »
    Eircodes were generated from the An Post geodirectory. So, in theory there should only be Eircodes for buildings with their own address, but in a database that size there are bound to be mistakes.

    Yeah but how is the geodirectory that An Post have put together? Bet it's off of OS maps and electricity connections. Obviously it's prone to mistakes when people have noted a fair few of them here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    damienirel wrote: »
    Yeah but how is the geodirectory that An Post have put together? Bet it's off of OS maps and electricity connections. Obviously it's prone to mistakes when people have noted a fair few of them here.
    I'm sure they used OS maps when creating it first, but that is less likely for updates as it would take much longer for OS maps to be updated.

    I'm not sure of the exact process, but I imagine An Post creates a new record when they get a piece of mail for an address that is new. Probably has to be confirmed by a postman on the ground as such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Blogin


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    I am reporting from my drive around the Pallasgreen Co. Limerick exchange area today. The main villages of Pallasgreen, Nicker, Old Pallas and Kilteely which the exchange serves have not been wired up with Fibre as of yet. The exchange building is in the townland of Cloverfield about 6 Kilometres west from Pallasgreen village on the main N24 road. There is plenty of Fibre cables around the country side nort and west of the exchange building. It has reached Dromkeen village on the same main road. There is fibre cable going up towards Kilteely village but it doesn't cross the Old Pallas to Hebertstown road. Kilteely is around 5 Km south from the exchange.

    The only guys I've seen working around the area are Neville Civil Engineering doing the ducting prep work on the N24. Hopefully this speeds.up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Blogin wrote: »
    The only guys I've seen working around the area are Neville Civil Engineering doing the ducting prep work on the N24. Hopefully this speeds.up.

    I wonder what route is that for - Inch St Lawrence - only see routes crossing the N24 nothing parallel with it - there must be a lot of prep work to be done if that ducting is running parallel with the N24 (for how long approx) - I would have thought a lot of that would be in place already with the FTTC rollout? Dates in general seem to pushed back all around Limerick - hope they sort it out sooner rather than later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Blogin


    damienirel wrote: »
    I wonder what route is that for - Inch St Lawrence - only see routes crossing the N24 nothing parallel with it - there must be a lot of prep work to be done if that ducting is running parallel with the N24 (for how long approx) - I would have thought a lot of that would be in place already with the FTTC rollout? Dates in general seem to pushed back all around Limerick - hope they sort it out sooner rather than later.

    Well that section near dromkeen is trying to get pallasgreen village wired up. Only 250 of the 910 premises live so far.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    Any indications on % of installs via existing duct vs. Overhead?

    Looks like we have 1/2 hydro pipe for copper line. Don't think it would carry FTTH line as well?


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