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Sexual Harassment Caught on Video

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's the boards.ie right wing 'post-for-thanks' circle jerk.

    lol. After years of Boards.ie being accused of being a left-wing circle jerk, I think the mods might be happy with that one :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Billy86 wrote: »
    They are fair points, but having worked in a Tesco in my teens I have seen this type of thing numerous times, first hand - only that was before smartphones so without that added dynamic.

    Though I do think videoing incidents like that can be beneficial, not in this situation for the example I'm about to give because of the number of witnesses, but I've seen it in a number of similar type of ones that could have ended up in your-word-vs-mine situations against people with clearly zero issue in lying through their teeth.

    I don't disagree but I am fully aware of the incredible personal damage a video like this could do to someone who may very well be mentally distressed as it is.

    This is not called for putting it on Youtube in my opinion. I also think the guy videoing does not cover himself in glory. Just keep your mouth shut. The mere act of filming is antagonistic enough. If someone is that wound up, just leave it.

    None of us know what is going on in that person's life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭__Alex__


    lol. After years of Boards.ie being accused of being a left-wing circle jerk, I think the mods might be happy with that one :P

    Don't you feel silly thanking a post where the poster said they hadn't even watch the video but despite that fact decided the person in the video was talking more sense than something, something Hillary something. I don't think politics is particularly relevent to yer wan in the video either way and shouldn't have been brought up IMO but thanking such a stupid post because it makes a dig at people who supported Hillary Clinton. Really? That's kinda sad.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The girl in the video expresses a lot of ugly sentiment. She may be drunk, on drugs or simply have issues. None of which are defences.

    The guy who swore at her and took the video, and then stuck the video on the internet, presumably to elicit as much reaction against her personally (as opposed to as against what she says, when he could have simply played the audio) and "get her back", well he should take a long hard look at himself too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    There was a woeful one reported online there recently.

    Some sick son of a bitch from Co. Carlow was trying to stick his tool up a chicken's jacksie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    Clearly she's not been laid in yonks, and nothing short of a bull would be capable of mounting her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Is there much hope for that country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    This video is unavailable :(.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    This video is unavailable :(.

    not missing much, carry on with life


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    My husband showed me the clip last night, thought it was hilarious. All I saw was someone possibly with a mental health issues. Not a nice experience for the couple involved or anyone else there but when did recording stuff like this become the acceptable reaction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    To be honest I am always highly sceptical with people videoing stuff like this and putting it on Youtube.


    1. You never get the full story, you get what suits the person videoing.

    2. I always find it preferable to keep my mouth shut in front of someone who may be "unstable". The guy in the video does not keep his mouth shut.

    3. Most people have some psychological affliction of one type or another. This woman almost certainly has one. Is that a reason to make fun and goad? I'm not sure. This only antagonises and is designed to illicit a reaction that some guy can put on Youtube to truly screw with someone.

    Whilst the evidence of the video seems obvious I would say people should be aware that all may not be what it seems in videos like this.


    It felt a bit off to me, watching it. Clearly she's crazy but none of them seemed interested in setting the record straight and I was left confused. If that was me on the recieving end of her rant and I felt I had to record it for evidence I'd make sure I stated my side of the story and I wouldn't be dragging it out and almost seeming to enjoy her carry on. And the lad she insulted about his race, or his girlfriend's race, went up to her and shoved her. His girlfriend went and intervened, but not a word was said about that here. Is it an acceptable free for all when people get tired of the mad ramblings of a mentally ill woman? I'm assuming mental illness since she didn't seem at all rational, she was having a rage reaction and doesn't seem to understand what intercourse involves. Is it a case of she deserved whatever she got? What if he'd landed a punch?

    They shouldn't have engaged with her and dragged it out. And using it as a dig at people who voted this way or that is a bit cheap and a bit of a stretch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    __Alex__ wrote: »
    Mortified for the people who thanked the above-quoted post. But interesting to note, all the same!

    What's interesting to me is the assumption that about 50% of American voters are like this woman whatever it is she did (the video is now taken down).


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    eviltwin wrote: »
    My husband showed me the clip last night, thought it was hilarious. All I saw was someone possibly with a mental health issues. Not a nice experience for the couple involved or anyone else there but when did recording stuff like this become the acceptable reaction.

    If you're going to make a spectacle of yourself in public and are willing to pretend to be the victim of a crime in order to compel someone to do something they don't want to do then this is fair game IMO.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    If you're going to make a spectacle of yourself in public and are willing to pretend to be the victim of a crime in order to compel someone to do something they don't want to do then this is fair game IMO.

    what if you have a very complex mental health issue and/or behavioural problems?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    what if you have a very complex mental health issue and/or behavioural problems?

    What if you're just some controlling bigot who'll use any means at your disposal to try to coerce people?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    If you're going to make a spectacle of yourself in public and are willing to pretend to be the victim of a crime in order to compel someone to do something they don't want to do then this is fair game IMO.

    what if you have a very complex mental health issue and/or behavioural problems?

    That's not a defense against this woman.
    She should be locked up for her own protection. She needs serious medical help.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's not a defense against this woman.
    She should be locked up for her own protection. She needs serious medical help.

    Ah now, it was an ugly incident...but jail? I think she should be told to go home and sleep it off. The racism (or xenophobia) is the most objectionable aspect, before that it was stupid hysteria, overreaction and name calling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    I think she needs some kind of psychiatric intervention to see if she needs treatment. I don't agree with letting people like that off to run around causing scenes and endangering themselves. She obviously can't conduct herself in society for some reason. Laughing at her and virtue signalling abut what a nasty backwards racist she is, although she is one, is just vapid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Sometimes​ people are just assholes.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think she needs some kind of psychiatric intervention to see if she needs treatment. I don't agree with letting people like that off to run around causing scenes and endangering themselves. She obviously can't conduct herself in society for some reason. Laughing at her and virtue signalling abut what a nasty backwards racist she is, although she is one, is just vapid.

    Calling someone out for being vile isn't virtue signalling.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    That's not a defense against this woman.
    She should be locked up for her own protection. She needs serious medical help.

    Ah now, it was an ugly incident...but jail? I think she should be told to go home and sleep it off. The racism (or xenophobia) is the most objectionable aspect, before that it was stupid hysteria, overreaction and name calling.
    I meant locked up in a mental hospital. Not jail.
    Although a week or two might help her cop herself on.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I meant locked up in a mental hospital. Not jail.
    Although a week or two might help her cop herself on.

    Again, hardly. I'd say in any post pub chipper in the country you'll hear abuse and drunk people getting ridiculously entrenched in hysterical positions, and articulating rambling nonsense that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny, and even engaging in a "go back to where you came from"...I suspect a fair few workers in Ireland have heard that one from people after a few pints. It's very ugly, it's objectionable, but per se it's not grounds for committal to any institution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Sometimes​ people are just assholes.

    I agree but her demeanour suggests she was unhinged. She doesn't know what sex is!
    Calling someone out for being vile isn't virtue signalling.


    If it's as empty as this, for a laugh and a look-how-heinous-some-people-are and with no interest in whether she was in her right mind, I think it is. It was also aimed at Trump supporters.
    Again, hardly. I'd say in any post pub chipper in the country you'll hear abuse and drunk people getting ridiculously entrenched in hysterical positions, and articulating rambling nonsense that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny, and even engaging in a "go back to where you came from"...I suspect a fair few workers in Ireland have heard that one from people after a few pints. It's very ugly, it's objectionable, but per se it's not grounds for committal to any institution.

    True but it was daytime, as far as I could tell. Probably lunchtime. It's not as if spirits were high in the deli.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I agree but her demeanour suggests she was unhinged. She doesn't know what sex is!




    If it's as empty as this, for a laugh and a look-how-heinous-some-people-are and with no interest in whether she was in her right mind, I think it is. It was also aimed at Trump supporters.



    True but it was daytime, as far as I could tell. Probably lunchtime. It's not as if spirits were high in the deli.

    Just because she was crazy doesn't mean she's got psychiatric issues. There are people who just overreact. Having a horrible personality isn't a personality disorder.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Grayson wrote: »
    Just because she was crazy doesn't mean she's got psychiatric issues. There are people who just overreact. Having a horrible personality isn't a personality disorder.


    Crazy means having psychiatric issues!

    We can't know for certain but there's a chance she needs treatment in order to function within the parameters of society. When someone behaves extremely then it at least warrants an investigation. That would rule out illnesses if she's just a nasty person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Again, hardly. I'd say in any post pub chipper in the country you'll hear abuse and drunk people getting ridiculously entrenched in hysterical positions, and articulating rambling nonsense that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny, and even engaging in a "go back to where you came from"...I suspect a fair few workers in Ireland have heard that one from people after a few pints. It's very ugly, it's objectionable, but per se it's not grounds for committal to any institution.
    This is true, but in said chipper most (if not all) people involved would be under the influence of an intoxicating, conscious altering drug so it's a fair bit different.

    Nobody should take this as an argument against a few gargles!! :o


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If it's as empty as this, for a laugh and a look-how-heinous-some-people-are and with no interest in whether she was in her right mind, I think it is. It was also aimed at Trump supporters.

    It's a concept made up by far right wingers so they can moan about being oppressed and dismiss arguments they don't like.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Billy86 wrote: »
    This is true, but in said chipper most (if not all) people involved would be under the influence of an intoxicating, conscious altering drug so it's a fair bit different.

    Nobody should take this as an argument against a few gargles!! :o

    She could have woken up and had a bottle of whiskey for all we know.

    I'm not that concerned about drunkenness, the point I am making is that hysteria and overreaction and nonsense is something you hear. I wouldn't raise a camera and start filming it myself. No more than I would if I saw a fight, a car accident or whatever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    It's a concept made up by far right wingers so they can moan about being oppressed and dismiss arguments they don't like.

    It might be used by them for that but it isn't about that. It just means making a point of being righteous. In a particular instance, only. Not a description of someone's character.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It might be used by them for that but it isn't about that. It just means making a point of being righteous. In a particular instance, only. Not a description of someone's character.

    Yes it is. Anytime anyone disagrees with them they trot this turkey out before whining that noone is engaging with them. The double standard is amazing. If this person was foreign, there'd be calls for her to be deported but because she's white, it must be because of mental health issues.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I agree but her demeanour suggests she was unhinged. She doesn't know what sex is!
    I would say it is more likely that she is fully aware what sex is but decided to exaggerate because she felt it would support her argument. Whether that was done out of mental illness or general assholery is up for debate, but having worked in public facing jobs either in retail, sales or customer service through most of my 20s (thankfully managed to move my career into something I'm more interested in in recent years) I've seen this an awful lot.

    People who are very worked up about something have a weird tendency to push their claims further and further and further if they feel their initial argument is not being taken seriously. It strikes me as quite likely what happened here - nobody was supporting her argument about a couple kissing, so she escalated it to them literally having sex right in front of her. As soon as she was put on the phone to the manager, she began to backpedal immediately to them being "about to have sex".
    If it's as empty as this, for a laugh and a look-how-heinous-some-people-are and with no interest in whether she was in her right mind, I think it is. It was also aimed at Trump supporters.
    I have re-iterated the reason I mentioned her likely being a Trump supporter was to pre-empt the "PC culture gone mad!!" posts that regularly come in from people who have not watched the video in question, and at no point in the OP said anything related to Trump supporters as a whole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Crazy means having psychiatric issues!

    We can't know for certain but there's a chance she needs treatment in order to function within the parameters of society. When someone behaves extremely then it at least warrants an investigation. That would rule out illnesses if she's just a nasty person.

    Crazy doesn't always mean psychiatric issues. That way my point. It can be used to describe unusual behaviour but it doesn't mean psychiatric issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Yes it is. Anytime anyone disagrees with them they trot this turkey out before whining that noone is engaging with them. The double standard is amazing. If this person was foreign, there'd be calls for her to be deported but because she's white, it must be because of mental health issues.

    I think that's aimed at me I see no-one else raising mental health. It has feck all to do with her skin colour, that is absurd. She's behaving like she's not right in the head. Ignoring that suggests an agenda more than anything.
    Right wing, left wing, nothing to do with this topic whatsoever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Yes it is. Anytime anyone disagrees with them they trot this turkey out before whining that noone is engaging with them. The double standard is amazing. If this person was foreign, there'd be calls for her to be deported but because she's white, it must be because of mental health issues.

    This is true, though to be fair taking a glance most of the people who brought up mental health issues on this specific thread (though not all) would in my estimation do the same in the event of it being a middle eastern person in the white woman's shoes. Mind you, we might also have a few different posters doing their best to get involved and steer the conversation in a different direction, though again to be clear as I feel some are taking that comment of mine out of context, I wasn't making a point at equating all Trump supporters with this woman.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I would say it is more likely that she is fully aware what sex is but decided to exaggerate because she felt it would support her argument. Whether that was done out of mental illness or general assholery is up for debate, but having worked in public facing jobs either in retail, sales or customer service through most of my 20s (thankfully managed to move my career into something I'm more interested in in recent years) I've seen this an awful lot.

    People who are very worked up about something have a weird tendency to push their claims further and further and further if they feel their initial argument is not being taken seriously. It strikes me as quite likely what happened here - nobody was supporting her argument about a couple kissing, so she escalated it to them literally having sex right in front of her. As soon as she was put on the phone to the manager, she began to backpedal immediately to them being "about to have sex".

    I have re-iterated the reason I mentioned her likely being a Trump supporter was to pre-empt the "PC culture gone mad!!" posts that regularly come in from people who have not watched the video in question, and at no point in the OP said anything related to Trump supporters as a whole.

    This is all speculation, without sitting with her and assessing her. Fair enough r.e your reasons for the Trump bit.

    All of those behaviours are irrational. Since when was irrational behaviour part of simply being a nasty person? Someone in control of themselves who is an a*****e is more likely to be cunning about how they pick on people, imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I think that's aimed at me I see no-one else raising mental health.
    Several people brought up mental health, to be fair.
    I don't disagree but I am fully aware of the incredible personal damage a video like this could do to someone who may very well be mentally distressed as it is.
    ...
    None of us know what is going on in that person's life.
    __Alex__ wrote: »
    I have to admit, I'm not super into people filming others like this, it's an passive-aggressive act and the subject for the video seems like she might have mental problems so I'm not sure if it's entirely fair.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    All I saw was someone possibly with a mental health issues.
    Conor74 also liked several of these posts while the pen turner brought up institutionalisation as a possibility. Plenty of people have mentioned mental health.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think that's aimed at me I see no-one else raising mental health. It has feck all to do with her skin colour, that is absurd. She's behaving like she's not right in the head. Ignoring that suggests an agenda more than anything.
    Right wing, left wing, nothing to do with this topic whatsoever.

    The only times I've ever seen the term "Virtue signalling" used are from those of a far right, conservative stance.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    I think that's aimed at me I see no-one else raising mental health. It has feck all to do with her skin colour, that is absurd. She's behaving like she's not right in the head. Ignoring that suggests an agenda more than anything.
    Right wing, left wing, nothing to do with this topic whatsoever.
    I missed the video so can't comment on that but with all due respect I'm fed up living in a society that blames mental health for everything from naughty children with no manners right up along to terrorists.
    Everything is "oh don't judge, they're not well". To me that's enabling their bad and erratic behaviour. Being a horrible person isn't a mental illness, andcthere are plenty of people who battle mental illness who don't hurt others, or use their illness to disguise their sh1tty personality. Stop adding to the stigma of mental illness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    This is all speculation, without sitting with her and assessing her. Fair enough r.e your reasons for the Trump bit.

    All of those behaviours are irrational. Since when was irrational behaviour part of simply being a nasty person? Someone in control of themselves who is an a*****e is more likely to be cunning about how they pick on people, imo.
    True also, it was very late last night when I saw the video and reposted it quite quickly so the mental health aspect didn't cross my sleepy mind. It is a fairly strong possibility, as is her just being a highly unpleasant person in a bad mood. I think what set off red flags in my mind was her asking for her money back exactly four seconds after getting her food with zero intention of giving the food back in return - I've seen that type of move all too often, and it tends to immediately lower my opinion of someone (if she had said "here's my food back, I want a refund" that would be a different kettle of fish).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Several people brought up mental health, to be fair.




    Conor74 also liked several of these posts while the pen turner brought up institutionalisation as a possibility. Plenty of people have mentioned mental health.

    I often see posts quoted that I never saw when reading from page 1 onward, don't know how, but I miss a few. Maybe it's not aimed at me so, apologies to the other poster if not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭tinpib


    Sometimes people are just assholes.

    Ha ha. I have a friend who is a psychologist, love discussing psychology with her. I was talking to her about this girl I was crazy about back in the day, describing how she behaved and I said it must be Narcissistic Personality Disorder, my psychologist friend diagnosed it as "Asshole Disorder".

    She made her point beautifully I thought.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I often see posts quoted that I never saw when reading from page 1 onward, don't know how, but I miss a few. Maybe it's not aimed at me so, apologies to the other poster if not.

    Fair enough. Apologies for bringing race since it doesn't seem relevant.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Cripes you guys are really analyzing this to death.

    She's abusive and ignorant, I don't think you can excuse that with mental illness.

    The "not knowing what sex is", that's a non-runner, in my opinion. She's just thick and arguing in that manner, maybe she's very religious and thinks kisses are "as bad as" sex.

    Filming and showing, well, these are tools we have nowadays to expose ignorant people and protect ourselves from false allegations. Big deal.

    At least the filming as above means some abusive people will abort, conclude or withdraw from a situation faster, so there, that's a little something gained from it, other than entertainment on youtube.

    edit : video has been reposted by someone else on youtube, tag words "crazy woman" and "Santa Monica" :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    I missed the video so can't comment on that but with all due respect I'm fed up living in a society that blames mental health for everything from naughty children with no manners right up along to terrorists.
    Everything is "oh don't judge, they're not well". To me that's enabling their bad and erratic behaviour. Being a horrible person isn't a mental illness, andcthere are plenty of people who battle mental illness who don't hurt others, or use their illness to disguise their sh1tty personality. Stop adding to the stigma of mental illness.


    I've lived with someone with a serious mental illness and it does cause them to do and say out of character things. If that's adding to the stigma then it's the fault of people who can't have compassion for people who are acting under the influence of illnes, and tough sh** if people don't like me saying it.

    Terrorists acting almost identically and with a stated motive and agenda are very different from random people acting erratically for no apparent motive. While her racist comment was obviously motivated by racism in itself the weird pop at the couple for a PDA was erratic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭tinpib


    . I wouldn't raise a camera and start filming it myself.

    I think raising a camera is absolutely the correct thing to do here. Who knows what type of false accusations could happen, and having your record of it helps you when you know you are in the right.

    Putting the video on Liveleak[it's still there and is the top promoted video] or whatever video sharing sites is where the moral dilemma comes in.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    The only times I've ever seen the term "Virtue signalling" used are from those of a far right, conservative stance.

    It's just the modern equivalent of holier than though.

    Here's a thought experiment. Imagine the woman was black. Would you be so quick to your posting about how she was typical of an Obama or Clinton supporter?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's just the modern equivalent of holier than though.

    Here's a thought experiment. Imagine the woman was black. Would you be so quick to your posting about how she was typical of an Obama or Clinton supporter?

    Yep. BS is BS no matter who supports it.

    I'm not a Clinton supporter by the way. I think she's emblematic of everything wrong with American politics.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I missed the video so can't comment on that but with all due respect I'm fed up living in a society that blames mental health for everything from naughty children with no manners right up along to terrorists.
    Everything is "oh don't judge, they're not well". To me that's enabling their bad and erratic behaviour. Being a horrible person isn't a mental illness, andcthere are plenty of people who battle mental illness who don't hurt others, or use their illness to disguise their sh1tty personality. Stop adding to the stigma of mental illness.

    At the same time, mental health issues, learning disabilities etc need proper focus. A few decades back a dyslexic or dyspraxic (which I have a mild case of*) student would be written off as lazy or useless with people willing to claim the research being done into seeing if it was something deeper was just making excuses for them.Likewise with various psychological conditions - it's also why I would be far more in favour of (humane) study of murderers, paedophiles, etc neurology than taking the 'lock them in a dungeon and forget about them' route, but that's a whole different argument again I guess.

    *Very mild - I'm pretty good at football or rugby, but if you ever see me at a golf tee, playing darts or on a dancefloor move the **** out of the way because bad, bad things are about to happen! People with stronger cases of it might be have no mental deficiency (apparently dyspraxics typically exhibit above average intelligence) but literally cannot dress themselves. Academically for me it would show up in memory - I could read a 20 page chapter of a book and immediately afterwards not be able to tell you a single detail, fact or thing about what I just read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Video is missing from here so if anyone wants the headache:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/youre-sexually-harassing-me-angry-10140201

    Woman should be tarred and feathered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    I've lived with someone with a serious mental illness and it does cause them to do and say out of character things. If that's adding to the stigma then it's the fault of people who can't have compassion for people who are acting under the influence of illnes, and tough sh** if people don't like me saying it.

    Terrorists acting almost identically and with a stated motive and agenda are very different from random people acting erratically for no apparent motive. While her racist comment was obviously motivated by racism in itself the weird pop at the couple for a PDA was erratic.
    And I lived with someone with no history of mental illness who was extremely abusive and nasty, who acted like a rational functioning member of society with everyone else but would say and do things that would seem nuts to me. Turns out he was a bad bastard and while I'm sure people would argue oh he had to have something wrong with him, normal people don't carry on like that, you know what? Regardless of whether he does or not was not my problem.

    We all have our issues. People have the right to engage and partake in civilised society without being verbally assaulted or insulted because of their race or sexual orientation. Their right to argue they may have a mental illness does not make other people's right to be left alone any less important.


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