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Leinster vs Munster Match Day Thread, 08th Oct 2016, Aviva Stadium, SS1 & TG4

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    #482
    ionadnapokot
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    thebaz wrote: »
    awec wrote: »
    Murray, box kicks, please just stop. Murray can kick a ball so he's told to box kick it all the time, Ireland do the same. Please just stop. At the very least when it doesn't work for 40 minutes don't try it again for another 40 in the hope it will magically come good.

    Murray had a poor game , but is head and shoulders best 9 for Ireland. McGrath seamed to box kick too much too today.

    Box kicking. It's a pain. Esp when they are ****e kicks with little chance of a "contestable"


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    #483
    Adbrowne
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    Whats the pro12 citing window?


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    #484
    Buer
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    Adbrowne wrote:
    lol. Thats not going to go down too well in some quarters. Its also a big part of Munsters problem. Its too predictable. And too easy to deal with.

    That's a big part of it. If you look at the ball carrying stats, getting the ball into CJs hands is a massive chunk of Munster's game. He's quality but they need to vary things.

    He carried into contact 21 times today. Just line him up and shut him down and a big part of Munster's attack is shackled.


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    #485
    JPCN1
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    Poor enough game with the better team winning. Was really looking forward to the competition between the backrows, Kept each other honest but Leinster that bit more comfortable all round.


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    #486
    Interested Observer
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    Buer wrote: »
    That's a big part of it. If you look at the ball carrying stats, getting the ball into CJs hands is a massive chunk of Munster's game. He's quality but they need to vary things.

    He carried into contact 21 times today. Just line him up and shut him down and a big part of Munster's attack is shackled.

    As a Leinster supporter I was never concerned by CJ yesterday, not for a minute. He made some ground but he was shut down every time. Not sure he off loaded after contact at all? That just isn't really good enough tbh and we have seen in the past, particularly in Europe, that he can be rendered relatively ineffective by the better sides. There was some talk of Munster having a better backrow than Leinster and possibly the best backrow in Europe pre-match, certainly not on that showing. And that was Leinster without SOB and VdF, probably the two best flankers Leinster have.


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    #487
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    As a Leinster supporter I was never concerned by CJ yesterday, not for a minute. He made some ground but he was shut down every time. Not sure he off loaded after contact at all? That just isn't really good enough tbh and we have seen in the past, particularly in Europe, that he can be rendered relatively ineffective by the better sides. There was some talk of Munster having a better backrow than Leinster and possibly the best backrow in Europe pre-match, certainly not on that showing. And that was Leinster without SOB and VdF, probably the two best flankers Leinster have.

    Leinster defended quite smartly at times. Shoot up out wide and force Munster into traffic and trust the midfield (10-12-13) or else force munster into heavier traffic closer to the previous breakdown. Earls needs to be played in his best position because he good enough to be a centre


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    #488
    MugMugs
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    Whilst it is what it is, I'm not convinced either team were all that yesterday. It struck me a battle of the worst.

    Some moments of utter genius from Sexton.

    The question needs to be asked, how will we fair against Castres next week. On the back of yesterday, I wouldn't be too hopeful.


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    #489
    swiwi_
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    As a Leinster supporter I was never concerned by CJ yesterday, not for a minute. He made some ground but he was shut down every time. Not sure he off loaded after contact at all?

    CJ has the same disease as POM and POC, the "smash-em-bro" mentality, which doesn't look for space or off-loads, but for maximum go-forward by running over people.

    If it's used to draw in defenders it can be handy, and close to the line it can be hard to stop, but otherwise it's just too easy to defend.


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    #490
    .ak
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    Ah for me neither team got out of 2nd gear. They'll be different animals next week. The difference is Munster were actively trying to step it up, what comforted me was Leinster looked comfortable in second gear. I'm sure the message in the circle after the game from Heaslip was intensity is required next week.


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    #491
    Interested Observer
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    .ak wrote: »
    Ah for me neither team got out of 2nd gear. They'll be different animals next week. The difference is Munster were actively trying to step it up, what comforted me was Leinster looked comfortable in second gear. I'm sure the message in the circle after the game from Heaslip was intensity is required next week.

    That's it for me. Leinster knowingly played within themselves imo, with half an eye on the next two weeks. I'm pretty happy overall. Wish we'd stop switching off and conceding tries once games are won though.


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    #492
    MugMugs
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    CJ has the same disease as POM and POC, the "smash-em-bro" mentality, which doesn't look for space or off-loads, but for maximum go-forward by running over people.

    If it's used to draw in defenders it can be handy, and close to the line it can be hard to stop, but otherwise it's just too easy to defend.

    And also eventually leads to serious injury with a lot of time spent in the stands...... As I'm sure Sean O'brien can testify.

    The only real criticism I'd have against CJ yesterday was that he was trying to run through everybody, falling immediately upon contact and I genuinely can't recall one attempt by him to offload after contact.

    That said, he's still a spectacular ballsy fella with an outstanding work ethic.


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    #493
    Bazzo
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    Adbrowne wrote: »
    Whats the pro12 citing window?

    48 hours I think


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    #494
    Interested Observer
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    CJ has the same disease as POM and POC, the "smash-em-bro" mentality, which doesn't look for space or off-loads, but for maximum go-forward by running over people.

    If it's used to draw in defenders it can be handy, and close to the line it can be hard to stop, but otherwise it's just too easy to defend.

    The other thing about him is he was returning kicks so it really padded his metres run stats he didn't cause any really trouble in contact, didn't run over anyone.


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    #495
    Bazzo
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    The other thing about him is he was returning kicks so it really padded his metres run stats he didn't cause any really trouble in contact, didn't run over anyone.

    We're getting a bit out of hand here. He breaks the gainline basically every time he takes on the ball, that's important grunt work for a number 8. Heaslip gets praised for doing similar all the time. It's not Stander's fault his team were doing nothing with the good work he was putting in.


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    #496
    MugMugs
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    48 hours I think

    Do Leinster need to intimate a complaint?

    JGP didn't make any fuss over it. Wonder if Cronin will be done..... Silly move by him.


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    #497
    Interested Observer
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    MugMugs wrote: »
    Do Leinster need to intimate a complaint?

    No. It's supposed to be an independent process. Though some strange decisions get taken when it comes to interpro games.

    Bazzo wrote: »
    We're getting a bit out of hand here. He breaks the gainline basically every time he takes on the ball, that's important grunt work for a number 8. Heaslip gets praised for doing similar all the time. It's not Stander's fault his team were doing nothing with the good work he was putting in.

    I don't really think I am. His stats say he carried for 50m or whatever but do you think he troubled Leinster? I don't.


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    #498
    errlloyd
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    I don't know why people are complaining this game was boring. It wasn't a classic, but I'm just rewatch in it, and there are lots of really interesting things happening. 4 tries, but to be fair there were at least another 5 try scoring chances butchered. Certainly not the worst iteration of this fixture.


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    #499
    Clegg
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    Leinster showed a few good things in attack. String the phases together, generate momentum with quick ruck ball and make yards through the middle. Also gave us a bit of space to attack the wide channels. That worked well even with a 34 year old full back and a rookie centre playing the wongs. Although it has to be said that Munsters defence was soft and gave Leinster the platform to do what they wanted.


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    Adbrowne
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    We're getting a bit out of hand here. He breaks the gainline basically every time he takes on the ball, that's important grunt work for a number 8. Heaslip gets praised for doing similar all the time. It's not Stander's fault his team were doing nothing with the good work he was putting in.

    Heaslip, Ruddock and Jordi were far more effective as a unit yesterday. Getting over the gainline is great if your getting quick ball for the backs to run onto. Getting over the gainline and getting engulfed by 2-3 opponents who slow your ball down so much that your only option is a [crap] box kick isnt really much use.

    Stander works himself to a standstill in practically every game, its how he is wired, but at times he needs to add a bit more intelligence to how he uses the ball. Leinster's first close in receiver did a quick pass before contact a few times yesterday which got them moving Munster around a bit. Its just a little bit more subtle. If Munster produce yesterdays performance next weekend they will ship 40-50 points.


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    #501
    DDC1990
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    Just saw the Cronin stamp.

    Should get a few weeks for that unfortunately. Nothing malicious but reckless and you can't make contact with the head like that.

    Will be a massive loss next week if he's cited.


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    #502
    wp_rathead
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ringshaw / Henshrose is going to be awesome this season / years to come.

    Please don't make this a thing


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    #503
    thomond2006
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Please don't make this a thing

    Leinster should sell t-shirts.


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    #504
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Please don't make this a thing

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    #505
    Flincher
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    No. It's supposed to be an independent process. Though some strange decisions get taken when it comes to interpro games.

    Anything goes in Munster v Leinster. Sexton kicking Mafi in the face, John Hayes stamping on Healy, and the O'Connell/Kearney incident all spring to mind. Basically any suspensions (or lack thereof) are determined based on the importance of upcoming fixtures.


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    #506
    Synode
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    Clegg wrote: »
    That worked well even with a 34 year old full back

    Kearney is only 30 no?


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    #507
    Interested Observer
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    Flincher wrote: »
    Anything goes in Munster v Leinster. Sexton kicking Mafi in the face, John Hayes stamping on Healy, and the O'Connell/Kearney incident all spring to mind. Basically any suspensions (or lack thereof) are determined based on the importance of upcoming fixtures.

    Sexton got banned and Hayes got sent off for those incidents respectively.


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    #508
    Adbrowne
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    Synode wrote: »
    Kearney is only 30 no?

    he is talking about Nacewa ......


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    Adbrowne
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    http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/matchstats?gameId=290457&league=270557

    Few interesting stats here.

    Leinsters top carriers were Ringrose [10] and Henshaw [15], Munsters were Holland [11], Zebo [11] and Stander [22]

    18 defenders beaten for Leinster [Ringrose 7, Henshaw 3]
    12 defenders beaten for Munster [Zebo and Bleyendaal 3 each]

    So Munsters top 3 carriers beat 4 defenders [Stander 1, Zebo 3] between them.


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    sydthebeat
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    Adbrowne wrote: »
    http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/matchstats?gameId=290457&league=270557

    Few interesting stats here.

    Leinsters top carriers were Ringrose [10] and Henshaw [15], Munsters were Holland [11], Zebo [11] and Stander [22]

    18 defenders beaten for Leinster [Ringrose 7, Henshaw 3]
    12 defenders beaten for Munster [Zebo and Bleyendaal 3 each]

    So Munsters top 3 carriers beat 4 defenders [Stander 1, Zebo 3] between them.

    Very much reflects what is being said in the thread. Munsters crash runners didn't pose leinster many problems.


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    Adbrowne
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Very much reflects what is being said in the thread. Munsters crash runners didn't pose leinster many problems.

    The centres making hay suggests the forwards gave them decent ruck ball to exploit gaps with.


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