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You'd want to be pretty gullible to be taken in by that. Considering there were no eyewitness reports of anything like that happening and the number of people who were in the venue.

_oveless_ wrote: »

europe needs to realize that this is the new normal, we need to accept that large groups of people will be killed on a more regular basis from now on and just get on with it as a part of life. the real fight is against islamaphobia and people who question immigration and security policies. we need to be even more tolerant from now on because even though these people are not representing islam if we further upset muslims they will kill us and it will be our own fault.

Now; I actually 'Liked' that post. I came in here at eighty odd posts ~ can't be bothered to wade through the trench warfare that AH becomes, every time this sort of schit kicks off. Saw that. 'Liked' it. Because I thought; " Yeah! LOL! Enough Iron there to break a weigh bridge! My sort of humour! "That's right. Right? Or is the OP FUBAR?!?

Shenshen wrote: »

There IS nothing wrong with religion...

What??? First you claim that Islam in new to terrorism and now this.
There are loads of things wrong with religion.
They exploit vulnerable people, they prey on our basest fears.
They promise things that they can't honestly deliver.
They promise an afterlife, which allows their followers to sacrifice their lives in the knowledge that they will have another.
No there is everything wrong with religion, and it deserves to be challenged.
Not even far-right racist ideologies can offer what some religions can.

... we need to figure out how to address how a religion can become vulnerable to such abuse.

Religion is vulnerable to abuse.
You're aware of some of the things Abrahamic religions promote right?

Strumms wrote: »

You'd want to be pretty gullible to be taken in by that. Considering there were no eyewitness reports of anything like that happening and the number of people who were in the venue.

I would guess that a lot of the folk taken in my this wanted to believe it therefore kept repeating it as fact

Fleawuss wrote: »

Damascus? Save yourself a lot of money: London, Brussels, Paris. Maybe even Nice. If you're going to make internet boasts about what you would do at least you might consider if by making such an offer you are just bull****ting as bad as others.

No, I'm actually serious. I can't pay for all the racists, bigots and xenophobes that pollute threads like this after an attack, but I'll get as many over there as I can.

Let me guess, you believe there's a war going on in those countries right now. I don't know how you manage to get out of bed every morning, you must be gripped with fear with all these wars raging around you.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

What??? First you claim that Islam in new to terrorism and now this.
There are loads of things wrong with religion.
They exploit vulnerable people, they prey on our basest fears.
They promise things that they can't honestly deliver.
They promise an afterlife, which allows their followers to sacrifice their lives in the knowledge that they will have another.
No there is everything wrong with religion, and it deserves to be challenged.
Not even far-right racist ideologies can offer what some religions can.


Religion is vulnerable to abuse.
You're aware of some of the things Abrahamic religions promote right?

I am - a lot more than some in this thread, I'm starting to think.
But all religions share the issues you raised. Every last single one. Yet Christianity doesn't embrace terrorism and (for the most part) violence any more, while others do. And interestingly, during the time Christianty was at its most violent, other religions didn't have issues with terror and bloodshed from within their ranks.
Add to that that while a lot of terrorism in the past and today cloaked itself in religion, a lot of terrorism didn't and doesn't. The excuse for terrorism can be anything - from black civil rights to nationalism, from women's rights to any given religion. And at any given time any one of these issues will draw more supporters with a willingness to kill. Right now, that's Islam. In 20 years? Who knows what it'll be.

So the question now is do we want to try and find a solution to end terrorism - in which case just staring transfixedly at a particular religion is probably not going to give us any new ideas or help us along in any way, or do we just want to hate people following a religion we don't?

KindOfIrish wrote: »

IS would be idiots not to. Actually they didn't claim responsibility, they said that it's been done by one of their followers.

They don't have a history of claiming responsibility when they aren't. "One of our soldiers who responded to calls to target citizens of the coalition that fights IS" is a reasonably strong statement of responsibility.

Fleawuss wrote: »

There is a war going on between the values of the western world and Islamic extremism.

Don't forget that the Mainstream Muslims suffer more from Islamic extremism then people in the western world, a point conveniently looked over in threads like this.

Fleawuss wrote: »

It is equally overlooked that conflict within Islam is sectarian: it is based on conflicting interpretations of the same "revelation" and the succession to the "prophet".

The wars within Islam aren't overlooked in threads like this: they are thankfully irrelevant as those wars are fought elsewhere.

Equally overlooked ?? Don't think so ... To many "all Muslims are bad" comments here

So IS is not a thread to Europe ?

There is a war going on between the values of the western world and Islamic extremism.

What war is going on here then?