Nice - Bastille day **mod warning post 1**

captbarnacles

Details coming out about the killer. This attack had very little to with Islam. Scumbag not liking life decided to end it and take a few with him.

suicide_circus

captbarnacles wrote: »

Details coming out about the killer. This attack had very little to with Islam. Scumbag not liking life decided to end it and take a few with him.

Well this way, as a martyr, he gets 72 virgins.

tomofson

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well this way, as a martyr, he gets 72 virgins.

Doubt he even believed that.

Severard

Maybe this has already been mentioned but if not, the #PrayForNice hashtag is still trending on Twitter, as with all of these tragedies, praying doesn't actually do anything. Instead this crowd fund has been set up called #PayForNice with the intention of helping the people in anyway by donating. If you can spare any money, please make a donation -

https://www.crowdrise.com/dont-prayfornice-payfornice

questionmark?

captbarnacles wrote: »

Details coming out about the killer. This attack had very little to with Islam. Scumbag not liking life decided to end it and take a few with him.

Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel may well disagree with you if the piece of **** was still alive to face justice. It's either ISIS backed or ISIS inspired, it's a terrorist attack due to militant Islam.

suicide_circus

tomofson wrote: »

Doubt he even believed that.

Many do. A powerful inducement.

Pinesky

Severard wrote: »

Maybe this has already been mentioned but if not, the #PrayForNice hashtag is still trending on Twitter, as with all of these tragedies, praying doesn't actually do anything. Instead this crowd fund has been set up called #PayForNice with the intention of helping the people in anyway by donating. If you can spare any money, please make a donation -

https://www.crowdrise.com/dont-prayfornice-payfornice

Is this an attempt to Console people ?

tomofson

suicide_circus wrote: »

Many do. A powerful inducement.

Nope I'd say just had a bad life and became suicidal because of it and then decided he wanted to take as many people with him as he could... Wouldn't be the first to do it and unfortunately wont be the last.

conorhal

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Wrong. There are many causes. You would do well to to unblock your ears and learn the other causes. Many of the causes are in fact socio-economic,.

It must be terribly Frustrating for the Islamists to have the likes of you constantly telling you why they do the things they do. But I suppose you must know better then the people that actually do them.


Statement released by IS in the wake of the last Paris attack:

In the name of Allah, the All Merciful, the Very Merciful.
The Very High All Said: “It is He who expelled the ones who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think they would leave, and they thought that their fortresses would protect them from Allah ; but [the decree of] Allah came upon them from where they had not expected, and He cast terror into their hearts [so] they destroyed their houses by their [own] hands and the hands of the believers. So take warning, O people of vision.” Surah 59 verse 2.
In a blessed attack for which Allah facilitated the causes for success, a faithful group of the soldiers of the Caliphate, may Allah dignify it and make it victorious, launched out, targeting the capital of prostitution and obscenity, the carrier of the banner of the Cross in Europe, Paris… Youths who divorced the world and went to their enemy seeking to be killed in the cause of Allah, in support of His religion and His Prophet, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, and his charges, and to put the nose of His enemies in the ground. So they were honest with Allah, we consider them thusly, and Allah conquered through their hands and cast in the hearts of the Crusaders horror in the middle of their land, where eight brothers wrapped in explosive belts and armed with machine rifles, targeted sites that were accurately chosen in the heart of the capital of France, including the Stade de France during the match between the Crusader German and French teams, where the fool of France, Francois Hollande, was present.
[They also targeted] the Bataclan Conference Center, where hundreds of apostates had gathered in a profligate prostitution party, and other areas in the 10th and 11th and 18th [arrondissements] and in a coordinated fashion. So Paris shook under their feet, and its streets were tight upon them, and the result of the attacks was the death of no less than 100 Crusaders and the wounding of more than those, and unto Allah is all praise and gratitude.
Allah had granted our brothers their wish and gave them what they loved, for they detonated their belts in the gatherings of the disbelievers after running out of ammunition, we ask Allah to accept them among the martyrs and make us follow them.
Let France and those who walk in its path know that they will remain on the top of the list of targets of the Islamic State, and that the smell of death will never leave their noses as long as they lead the convoy of the Crusader campaign, and dare to curse our Prophet, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, and are proud of fighting Islam in France and striking the Muslims in the land of the Caliphate with their planes, which did not help them at all in the streets of Paris and its rotten alleys. This attack is the first of the storm and a warning to those who wish to learn.
Allah is the greatest.
“And to Allah belongs [all] honor, and to His Messenger, and to the believers, but the hypocrites do not know.” Surah 63 verse 8

Severard

Pinesky wrote: »

Is this an attempt to Console people ?

Eh... No, it's providing money to the victims of the attack. It's fairly simply one would think.

Billy86

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Toronto has had and will possibly continue to have issues with Islamic extremism.
You just choose to ignore reality when people point it out.

Sorry what? You're trying to say I 'ignored' your post by replying to it?

Try to be even just a little less disingenuous in future. Just a little.

BoJack Horseman

The French governments investigators, in the aftermath of the Bataclan attacks last hear heard testimony from those at the scene...

The report of this is here released only a week ago.... and google translate struggles with it.

Things were not quite as gruesome as simply shooting people at point blank.
In the time that the attackers had available to them, things got pretty awfull.

an excerpt on the internet paraphrased thusly:

Police witnesses in Parliament said they vomited when they saw the disfigured bodies.

Wahhabist killers gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They also disemboweled some poor souls. Women were stabbed in the genitals – and all the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said.

So, anyone care to guess; was it poor housing or lack of jobs that made men do this?
Is the 'socio-economic' excuse still carrying any credibility?

failinis

Pinesky wrote: »

Is this an attempt to Console people ?

No, to support.
Funeral costs and/or flying bodies home cost.
B&B/room costs for parents/friends of those in intensive care.
God knows what else, but its a more constructive way to help than lighting a candle or praying.

AtomicHorror

questionmark? wrote: »

Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel may well disagree with you if the piece of **** was still alive to face justice. It's either ISIS backed or ISIS inspired, it's a terrorist attack due to militant Islam.

ISIS will claim responsibility once the media have confirmed the name, ethnicity, and religion of the attacker, and published a selfie of him in front of an ISIS flag along with a long rambling statement pledging himself to ISIS.

At that point they'll act as if they've known him years.

suicide_circus

tomofson wrote: »

Nope I'd say just had a bad life and became suicidal because of it and then decided he wanted to take as many people with him as he could... Wouldn't be the first to do it and unfortunately wont be the last.

Nothing to see here!

adox

Watching the coverage on channel 4 news, how brave was that person on the motorbike trying to stop the truck? Incredible footage. When he couldn't get into the moving truck and was knocked off his bike he gets up and runs after the truck and tries to gain access again. Incredible.

failinis

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls says Nice attacker was one way or the other linked to radical Islamist circles.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36799172

conorhal

adox wrote: »

Watching the coverage on channel 4 news, how brave was that person on the motorbike trying to stop the truck? Incredible footage. When he couldn't get into the moving truck and was knocked off his bike he gets up and runs after the truck and tries to gain access again. Incredible.

Incredible indeed, a hero in the true sense of the word.

The opposite however is John Snow is on Channel 4 news spinning and giving great prominence to the fact that a muslim woman was also killed and the lone wolf aspect of the attack and wildly speculating if the attacker was mentally ill.
You really have to wonder how many 'special reports' from the place de la republique bedecked in flowers he has to deliver before he's prepared to call a spade a spade.
Not once did I read during 'the Troubles', or hear the media psycho-analysing IRA or Loyalist attacks with such scrutiny.
Not once did I hear the media say "the soldier was killed by a troubled young man, with marital problems and rising debt".
Or the bomb was planted by a "quiet man who rarely spoke to neighbours and was concerned about labour laws".

It's a disgusting 'damage limitation exercise' but the ostrich left.

Scuid Mhór

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

The French governments investigators, in the aftermath of the Bataclan attacks last hear heard testimony from those at the scene...

The report of this is here released only a week ago.... and google translate struggles with it.

Things were not quite as gruesome as simply shooting people at point blank.
In the time that the attackers had available to them, things got pretty awfull.

an excerpt on the internet paraphrased thusly:


So, anyone care to guess; was it poor housing or lack of jobs that made men do this?
Is the 'socio-economic' excuse still carrying any credibility?

This is something I wrote on another message board:

... A war not predicated on religion or freedom or terror insofar as western media would like you to believe so much as it is centred around the coercive redistribution of wealth since 1908. Strange how Saddam nationalised the oil fields in 1972, yet in 2006 it was announced that they were going up for market auction in the hopes of attracting international bidders, as the oil fields needed more advanced technology and more experienced technicians in order to extract maximum utility. Stranger still how all six companies that won the bid were American. This is a more recent example but such practises have been imposed by the west by over a century. Make no mistake, the 'terror' will not end as long as the west act as profiteers of the Middle East, and live the lavish life style the oil field residences have been deprived of...

Yes, there is the Islamic State-promised caliphate and general hatred of countries that do not fall under Sharia law, propagated by the rich and exposed to the poor who, growing up and culturally conditioned by constant anti-western propaganda, believe they are doing god's work. But this is a knock-off effect of destablising Iraq - and attacks like this do not occur for religious reasons, they occur because of failing IS strongholds in the Middle East, and realising their backs are against the wall, that this is no different to the entire history of western intervention in the Middle East since 1908. It is a war of wealth. The pawns may not realise it, and the westerners buying into western propaganda may not realise it, but that is what this is.

Pinesky

failinis wrote: »

No, to support.
Funeral costs and/or flying bodies home cost.
B&B/room costs for parents/friends of those in intensive care.
God knows what else, but its a more constructive way to help than lighting a candle or praying.

Check out the website and its governance before you do. There will be more official channels along soon enough .

RasTa

conorhal wrote: »

Incredible indeed, a hero in the true sense of the word.

The opposite however is John Snow is on Channel 4 news spinning and giving great prominence to the fact that a muslim woman was also killed and the lone wolf aspect of the attack and wildly speculating if the attacker was mentally ill.
You really have to wonder how many 'special reports' from the place de la republique bedecked in flowers he has to deliver before he's prepared to call a spade a spade.
Not once did I read during 'the Troubles', or hear the media psycho-analysing IRA or Loyalist attacks with such scrutiny.
Not once did I hear the media say "the soldier was killed by a troubled young man, with marital problems and rising debt".
Or the bomb was planted by a "quiet man who rarely spoke to neighbours and was concerned about labour laws".

It's a disgusting 'damage limitation exercise' but the ostrich left.

Do people already forget the 300 Muslims killed in Bagdhad by ISIS 13 days ago?

BoJack Horseman

RasTa wrote: »

Do people already forget the 300 (Shia) Muslims killed in Bagdhad by ISIS 13 days ago?

ergo, apostates in their eyes.

conorhal

RasTa wrote: »

Do people already forget the 300 Muslims killed in Bagdhad by ISIS 13 days ago?

Congratulations, you have reached virtue signaller level 10! Give youself a 100 facebook likes as a reward.

RasTa

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

ergo, apostates in their eyes.

Still Muslims

conorhal wrote: »

Congratulations, you have reached virtue signaller level 10! Give youself a 100 facebook likes as a reward.

What?

suicide_circus

conorhal wrote: »

Incredible indeed, a hero in the true sense of the word.

The opposite however is John Snow is on Channel 4 news spinning and giving great prominence to the fact that a muslim woman was also killed and the lone wolf aspect of the attack and wildly speculating if the attacker was mentally ill.
You really have to wonder how many 'special reports' from the place de la republique bedecked in flowers he has to deliver before he's prepared to call a spade a spade.
Not once did I read during 'the Troubles', or hear the media psycho-analysing IRA or Loyalist attacks with such scrutiny.
Not once did I hear the media say "the soldier was killed by a troubled young man, with marital problems and rising debt".
Or the bomb was planted by a "quiet man who rarely spoke to neighbours and was concerned about labour laws".

It's a disgusting 'damage limitation exercise' but the ostrich left.

A very interesting point actually.
Another difference however is that no catholic or protestant bomb maker up north justified what they did by the dogma of their respective faiths.

inforfun

RasTa wrote: »

Do people already forget the 300 Muslims killed in Bagdhad by ISIS 13 days ago?

In my life i have been on holidays in France about 10 times.
I have French colleagues at work

Number of holidays i had in Iraq ---> 0
Number of Iraqi colleagues ----> 0

Do you mind i care more about what happens in France than what happens in Baghdad?

A Dub in Glasgo

inforfun wrote: »

In my life i have been on holidays in France about 10 times.
I have French colleagues at work

Number of holidays i had in Iraq > 0
Number of Iraqi colleagues > 0

Do you mind i care more about what happens in France than what happens in Baghdad?

You need to expand your holiday trips

inforfun

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You need to expand your holiday trips

If i want to be holidaying around muslims i can just go to my city of birth.

suicide_circus

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You need to expand your holiday trips

Yeah I hear Baghdad has some delightful outdoor markets

Spanish Eyes

The French Government will look after the deceased families and the injured.

No need for crowdfunding or charitable donations.

They will not see anyone short.

Charitable donations are not fashionable anymore anyway. Better to light a candle, than curse at the darkness.