Nice - Bastille day mod warning post 1

Fleawuss · 15-07-2016 09:05PM

A change needed in permitting and managing large gatherings of people
Hardened physical and aggressive human controls on access to such gatherings
Changes in law that allow imprisonment for accessing Islamist extremist websites
Intelligence gathering by wider community via easier tip offs
Cuts in public spending in some areas to finance enhanced security
Treason trials for French citizens proven to have fought for Islamist extremism
All religious services every time they are held to include formal denunciations of terrorism
Complete Programme of secular republican values to be compulsorily taught in all schools if not already done in France
Expanded voluntary reserve police force so that a trained force can be deployed in all communities
Utter destruction of the Caliphate where it still claims to exist, its troops, it's money, it's funders, it's infrastructure
Cyber war on all websites and social media accounts supporting Islamist extremism
Accept that you are in a war that will last across generations and accept there will be casualties on a mass scale

There's a lot that can be done if the will is there. The other alternative is of course to surrender and leave IS to rule the roost in Syria / Iraq until they get strong enough to start on Europe again.

bnt · 15-07-2016 09:09PM

It's the First Night of the Proms, so:

https://twitter.com/bbcproms/status/754022894758338560

screamer · 15-07-2016 09:09PM

_oveless_ wrote: »

europe needs to realize that this is the new normal, we need to accept that large groups of people will be killed on a more regular basis from now on and just get on with it as a part of life. the real fight is against islamaphobia and people who question immigration and security policies. we need to be even more tolerant from now on because even though these people are not representing islam if we further upset muslims they will kill us and it will be our own fault.

Here we go again ...... we will never accept this as the new normal. Never.

pragmatic1 · 15-07-2016 09:11PM

This is going to become the norm like N.Ireland was in the bad days.

Billy86 · 15-07-2016 09:14PM

screamer wrote: »

Here we go again ...... we will never accept this as the new normal. Never.

Neither did some who didn't want black people in Europe, Eastern Europeans in western Europe, or gays, Jews or women be seen as equal.

Flint Fredstone · 15-07-2016 09:15PM

screamer wrote: »

Here we go again ...... we will never accept this as the new normal. Never.

I wouldn't bother. That's his thing in these threads.

Paris Attacks thread:

_oveless_ wrote: »

Can mods please ban people and delete posts criticizing islam? islam is the biggest victim in all this as people will question and make accusations against muslims as well as criticizing multiculturalism

wakka12 · 15-07-2016 09:16PM

screamer wrote: »

Here we go again ...... we will never accept this as the new normal. Never.

they were clearly being sarcastic?

Flint Fredstone · 15-07-2016 09:16PM

wakka12 wrote: »

they were clearly being sarcastic?

You would think...

screamer · 15-07-2016 09:20PM

.

wakka12 · 15-07-2016 09:21PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

You would think...

the 'and it will be our fault' at the end made me 100% think it was a sarcastic post

screamer · 15-07-2016 09:22PM

wakka12 wrote: »

the 'and it will be our fault' at the end made me 100% think it was a sarcastic post

Oh it was far from scarcastic........

Jimmy Garlic · 15-07-2016 09:24PM

_oveless_ wrote: »

europe needs to realize that this is the new normal, we need to accept that large groups of people will be killed on a more regular basis from now on and just get on with it as a part of life. the real fight is against islamaphobia and people who question immigration and security policies. we need to be even more tolerant from now on because even though these people are not representing islam.

People are Islamophobic for very good reasons, it is a homicidal death cult from the dark ages. Why should we tolerate that?

if we further upset muslims they will kill us and it will be our own fault

Crazy statement. I couldn't care less what Muslims are upset about, that's not a ticket to kill people. If they are not happy in Europe they should clear off home. Not one more inch should be given to Islam.

Jimmy Garlic · 15-07-2016 09:26PM

wakka12 wrote: »

the 'and it will be our fault' at the end made me 100% think it was a sarcastic post

100% serious. Look down through his/her other posts.

osmiumartist · 15-07-2016 09:33PM

Lavinia wrote: »

Tbh I thought France was one of the most liberal countries in Europe when the accepting of immigrants from lets say "Muslim" countries is is question...

Can it be it is now just a country of the opportunity for attacks?

(not stating, just asking eg posing a question)

France have traditionally had a lot more Arab refugees than other European countries anyway, due to their imperialist colonisation of North Africa. They took in a lot of those who picked the wrong side in the Algerian war of independence for example.
As an aside, it's quite strange to see this being described as the biggest security issue in France since WWII, considering De Gaulle was very close to being overthrown by an attempted military coup in the 60s.

end of the road · 15-07-2016 09:38PM

"World is too PC"

translates as "the world isn't racist and bigoted enough for my liking"

Strumms · 15-07-2016 09:42PM

The problem at the moment is that the extremists are winning out. On both sides of the debate. This is being reflected in the make up of politics all over Europe and even in America with the emergence of Trump as a political option.

On one hand you have people who say.. " well maybe we need to discuss immigration, I have some fears or concerns that it could have an impact on my society and way of life and have security implications. " Often people who utter such opinions are shouted down as racists by the extreme left. If people have a concern or fear it should be debated, addressed and listened to.

That is one of the biggest issues now that everything is so polarized.

Someone else can take the view that " we should be doing more for the people of Syria, take in more refugees and relax restrictions." They are labeled left wing commie limp wristed liberals.

Yes there are some people out there who want free moment of all people between all countries *shudder* and those who also want more insular arrangements and closed borders *shudder*.

The common sense argument of talking about it and addressing peoples concerns is not there in the whole conversation it is getting drowned out by extreme views and presidential platitudes and rhetoric where we will all be peaceful and happy and we condemn ISIS, show our solidarity with the Muslims and what not. All very well and good but where is the solution ? Being apart of the European Union you would think might bring us all that bit more together in a political sense and get some sort of strategy together because as sure as **** there will be some time in the future where this type of atrocity is visited on our own country and others.

In the mean time it would be really great if people who have concerns about immigration or want to talk about the wider issues are not shouted down as racists and for the same goes for people who want to do the right thing by genuine refugees....

_oveless_ · 15-07-2016 09:50PM

screamer wrote: »

Here we go again ...... we will never accept this as the new normal. Never.

thankfully the Prime Minister of France is more forward thinking and tolerant:

https://heatst.com/uk/nice-attack-french-prime-minister-says-learn-to-live-with-terrorism-after-84-die/

end of the road · 15-07-2016 09:59PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

People are Islamophobic for very good reasons

no they aren't. they are Islamophobic because they are bigoted toards anyone and everything that isn't the same as them.

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

If they are not happy in Europe they should clear off home.

well considering some of them are all ready home, that would be hard.

end of the road · 15-07-2016 09:59PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

A change needed in permitting and managing large gatherings of people
Hardened physical and aggressive human controls on access to such gatherings
Changes in law that allow imprisonment for accessing Islamist extremist websites
Intelligence gathering by wider community via easier tip offs
Cuts in public spending in some areas to finance enhanced security
Treason trials for French citizens proven to have fought for Islamist extremism
All religious services every time they are held to include formal denunciations of terrorism
Complete Programme of secular republican values to be compulsorily taught in all schools if not already done in France
Expanded voluntary reserve police force so that a trained force can be deployed in all communities
Utter destruction of the Caliphate where it still claims to exist, its troops, it's money, it's funders, it's infrastructure
Cyber war on all websites and social media accounts supporting Islamist extremism

1. what changes in permitting and managing large gatherings of people
2. what Hardened physical and aggressive human controls on access to such gatherings
3. laws that allow imprisonment for accessing Islamist extremist websites all ready exist, and are used.
4. Intelligence gathering by wider community via easier tip offs is all ready availible.
5. Cuts in public spending in some areas to finance enhanced security can't be done. it's a form of collective punishment, which is against human rights. the current budget to fund security must be increased without punishing some "just because"
6. Treason trials for French citizens proven to have fought for Islamist extremism are not needed, treason is redundant and has been for decades. existing anti-terror laws deal with those fighting or who have faught with extremist groups.
7. All religious services every time they are held to include formal denunciations of terrorism are not needed.
8. Complete Programme of secular republican values to be compulsorily taught in all schools is all ready mostly existing.
9. an Expanded voluntary reserve police force so that a trained force can be deployed in all communities isn't needed, funding the regular police properly would be a much better idea and would be more cost effective.
10. an attempt to destroy the Caliphate where it still claims to exist is all ready happening.
11. a Cyber war on all websites and social media accounts supporting Islamist extremism is happening, but it mostly can't work.

lawlolawl · 15-07-2016 10:21PM

In a slightly bizarre turn of events, Reddit made some Dutch newspapers/news media believe that American ex-shock jock Anthony Cumia was the terrorist involved.

They leaked the name as "antwan kumiya" and provided a bunch of photos of him.

http://www.antena3.ro/actualitate/mohamed-lahouaiej-bouhlel-terorist-368189.html

http://i.imgur.com/JJqAXff.jpg

Billy86 · 15-07-2016 10:49PM

Some info coming out about the perpetrator today.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/who-mohamed-lahouaiej-bouhlel-what-8425647

The alleged killer was described as drug-taking wife beater who never went to Mosque by one of his relatives.

His wife’s cousin claims he was an “unlikely jihadist” who drank and ate pork,

Walid Hamou told the Mail he was “not a Muslim, he was a s***” and was a “nasty piece of work”.

He said: “Bouhlel was not religious - he did not go to the mosque, he did not pray, he did not observe Ramadan.

“He drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs. This is all forbidden under Islam.

“He was not a Muslim, he was a s***.

“He beat his wife, my cousin, he was a nasty piece of work.”

AlekSmart · 15-07-2016 10:57PM

end of the road wrote: »

No they aren't. they are Islamophobic because they are bigoted towards anyone and everything that isn't the same as them.

Well considering some of them are all ready home, that would be hard.

Not always quite as clear cut as you might think though.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/please-stop-staying-the-nice-attacks-arent-about-islam/

In the wake of the Nice attacks people are already saying: "But the terrorist wasn't pious. See! It has nothing to do with Islam."

Please stop.

Your good intentions towards us Muslims are only making the problem worse. This is as dangerous as saying it is everything to do with Islam.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/how-religion-can-drive-someone-slaughter-his-fellow-citizens--an/

Nice terror attack: Truck driver who killed 84 named as 'loner' French-Tunisian criminal who 'became depressed' when wife left him as police question estranged spouse

A disturbed nut-case,who just happens to be an Islamic nut Case,no more-no less ?

Jimmy Garlic · 15-07-2016 11:06PM

_oveless_ wrote: »

thankfully the Prime Minister of France is more forward thinking and tolerant:

https://heatst.com/uk/nice-attack-french-prime-minister-says-learn-to-live-with-terrorism-after-84-die/

Yes, he wants to tolerate even more gruesome murder sprees perpetrated by dark age barbarians. Is that what passes for "forward thinking" these days

wakka12 · 15-07-2016 11:10PM

I don't know why that would be made up. Also I would imagine most of the 'torture' was committed post mortem, would want to get the body count up with quick fatal gunshots before spending time gouging out eyeballs.

skywanderer · 15-07-2016 11:10PM

Nice to see the Liberals try do everything to avoid linking this to Islam just like the Orlando Massacre also. Next thing they will be telling us that the sky is pink or something.

failinis · 15-07-2016 11:25PM

dav3 wrote: »

It's being reported by whom? Are you believing all the sh*te you read on the internet again?

If you honestly believe we're at war I'll pay for your flight to the frontline tomorrow.

I did see articles on this earlier,

https://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/

http://nypost.com/2016/07/15/horrifying-details-of-the-bataclan-theatre-massacre-revealed/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/15/french-terror-cover-up-bataclan-attack-included-gr/

EDIT - seems to be false rumours picked up by papers via Snopes.

dav3 · 15-07-2016 11:41PM

You can PM with proof that you'll have someone to meet you in Damascus to take you to the front line and I'll book your one-way ticket straight away.
The flight goes through Istanbul so you'll probably have to wait a few days. At least it gives you some time to say goodbye to your family.
The offer is open to all the other internet hard men out there too.

Samaris · 15-07-2016 11:50PM

http://www.snopes.com/france-covered-up-bataclan-victims/

Not finished reading it yet, but it looks like this wasn't true.

failinis · 15-07-2016 11:58PM

Samaris wrote: »

http://www.snopes.com/france-covered-up-bataclan-victims/

Not finished reading it yet, but it looks like this wasn't true.

Fair enough.

getzls · 16-07-2016 12:07AM

dav3 wrote: »

If you honestly believe we're at war I'll pay for your flight to the frontline tomorrow.

Islam has been at war with non muslims since its inception.

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