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daveup

So many puzzling lines coming out of Brexit.. The issue of trade agreements. So potentially the EU can now impose duties on British products exported into Europe and Britian can impose duties on products imported into Britain. So that cancels out and trade will continue as normal.
The value of the pound dropping. That's just gamblers putting their money into gold and commodities for a time before getting involved in the currency market again so the pound will gradually return to a norm over the next weeks/months.
So that's a couple of things. But what is most destabilizing is that David Cameron simply quitting. David you promised the people a vote and then when they don't vote the way you like you simply quit rather than accepting what the people say and working to ensure a bright new future.
As for the Scots well I am totally at a loss. Nicola Sturgeon is an embarrassment. Yes the Scots voted Remain but for her to come out and say that another Scottish independence referendum is a probability is just adding fuel to the fire of pure instability. Surely you sit quiet and see how things pan out.
And then Jeremy Corbyn says nothing about anything and Boris and Nigel are best ignoring. Their argument over immigration is utter rubbish. Every country needs immigration. The whole point of this referendum, as I saw it, was closer integration with EU (as year in and year out controls are moved to Brussels) or a return to a sovereign state where you can set your own taxes and control your own assets.
Its a very divisive argument. And I suppose that in itself is no help. Everybody will have their opinion. The point is that the decision is made now and there is no point in these 'politicians' crying about. Get on with it rather than quitting. What are you like David.

TeoReid

Brief change of topic if I may, is it possible to get a day pass for sky sports in Ireland?

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swiwi_ wrote: »

??are you suggesting it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald-type, but rather an organised "hit" by the British far right...

It definitely wasn't a 'hit'. But pictures like this galvanise hate and push those on the fringe into action:

Swan Curry

swiwi_ wrote: »

??are you suggesting it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald-type, but rather an organised "hit" by the British far right...

The extreme rhetoric that labels opposing politicians as traitors gave Mair the reason to carry out the murder. I believe he acted alone, but the Tories' appeasement of the far-right gives legitimacy to the ideology that Mair believes.

swiwi_

Swan Curry wrote: »

This whole ****show has had a lot of low points but imo the worst was the brushing over of Jo Cox's assassination. She was murdered by a fascist with links to the British far-right and South African pro-apartheid movements because of her politics, and after the inital shock the press have tried their hardest to portray him as a Lee Harvey Oswald loner type. Seeing Farage celebrate that they won "Without a bullet being fired" was sickening. Hopefully one day he ends up like his fellow fascist Mussolini.

??are you suggesting it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald-type, but rather an organised "hit" by the British far right...

Swan Curry

This whole ****show has had a lot of low points but imo the worst was the brushing over of Jo Cox's assassination. She was murdered by a fascist with links to the British far-right and South African pro-apartheid movements because of her politics, and after the inital shock the press have tried their hardest to portray him as a Lee Harvey Oswald loner type. Seeing Farage celebrate that they won "Without a bullet being fired" was sickening.

swiwi_

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha. Didn't even cop that as I was writing. Swiwi is either in a specialist area or earns over 60k per year. Or he married someone with an EU passport.

If it wasn't one of those three then he can probably tell us exactly how hard it was.

Ok...so when I arrived in Ireland I had my good ol' NZ passport. Got one of those "work authorisations" that no longer exist, from memory my area of work was on the list of things Ireland needed more of. In theory I should have been allowed to work in Ireland via my wife being Swiss (which has a deal with the EU), but Ireland broke EU laws for a number of years on this topic, until it was taken to the European court and Ireland lost: so then I got an "EU partner" visa, which was free rather than the ridiculous sums for the work authorisation. Then I became Swiss...

[Deleted User]

Buer wrote: »

Yeah, swiwi....do your research!

:pac:

Ha. Didn't even cop that as I was writing. Swiwi is either in a specialist area or earns over 60k per year. Or he married someone with an EU passport.

If it wasn't one of those three then he can probably tell us exactly how hard it was.

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

Ask those without an EU passport how easy it is to get a job in the EU.

Yeah, swiwi....do your research!

:pac:

[Deleted User]

swiwi_ wrote: »

How does being part of the EU or not affect this?

I probably should have paid more attention (just don't care enough I suppose), but I'd be interested to know compelling reasons why Britain should definitely have remained in the EU.

Right now an English person can work in any country in Europe without any restriction. When this goes, English people will find it much harder to work anywhere in Europe. Ask those without an EU passport how easy it is to get a job in the EU.

Huge numbers of PHD's and research grants are funded by the EU, not because they are immediately profitable, but because they are useful to humanity. Those within the UK will no longer have access to this and the sentiment strongly indicates that this will have a massive impact on science and technology in the UK. Think of how many companies and innovations have come from these research grants.

Finally the EU is very strict on how food and goods are managed, transported and prepared. The standard in the EU for example is far far higher than the US. To trade within the EU you must reach these standards so England will have to comply with anything they export, but they don't need to comply for goods and services locally which will almost certainly see profits take priority of quality.

It turns the other way also. London is a massive "EU Hub" for finance and technology and this is based on free movement of workers into London (London produces no where close to enough educated workers to supplement requirements). Amazingly Immigrants in the UK account for a net profit due to the sheer volume of them performing skilled labor. This will be much more difficult and many new businesses could well go elsewhere (hopfully here).

All the leave promises are misleading or unenforceable. It's lunacy on a countrywide scale.

swiwi_

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly if this happened under similar circumstances in Ireland I would be apoplectic. Huge freedoms, chances for broader education and a commitment to improve goods and services for citizens of the UK has been robbed from them by the old, the racist, the stupid. I would find it very difficult not to ostracize those who chose to leave.

I'm vicariously very angry on behalf of those who wished to stay and I'm angry in general because our economy is going to stall until this gets somewhat sorted and that impacts my own bottom line.

Mostly I'm just amazed how so many people have made such a foolish choice and I hate the way political opportunism is driving hate, negativity and fear to achieve power for those willing to burn the house down.

How does being part of the EU or not affect this?

I probably should have paid more attention (just don't care enough I suppose), but I'd be interested to know compelling reasons why Britain should definitely have remained in the EU.

[Deleted User]

matthew8 wrote: »

The whinging is unreal from the remain side. I wanted them to stay in but all this stuff about leave being racist/stupid/uneducated/old is just pathetic.

Honestly if this happened under similar circumstances in Ireland I would be apoplectic. Huge freedoms, chances for broader education and a commitment to improve goods and services for citizens of the UK has been robbed from them by the old, the racist, the stupid. I would find it very difficult not to ostracize those who chose to leave.

I'm vicariously very angry on behalf of those who wished to stay and I'm angry in general because our economy is going to stall until this gets somewhat sorted and that impacts my own bottom line.

Mostly I'm just amazed how so many people have made such a foolish choice and I hate the way political opportunism is driving hate, negativity and fear to achieve power for those willing to burn the house down.

Synode

I think in the future (whether it be 1, 2, 5 years down the line), a lot of people who voted leave will regret their decision. I doubt there's many who wanted the UK to fall apart but that's a serious possibility now

CatFromHue

There could also be a disconect between the govts who managed the fall out of the global financial collapse.

We voted in a pile of independents and some headers in place of the main political parties. The Donald looks to be in a strong position and all he's doing is slagging off the previous govt, and everyone else too.

I think people are forgetting just how bad things were in 09/10.

bilston

matthew8 wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

There is some real division on this today in the UK. I've witnessed people having arguments on Facebook and people under 40, who mainly voted remain, are wondering why people over 60, mainly voted leave, are getting to dictate the future of the country that will affect the young a lot more than the old!

The whinging is unreal from the remain side. I wanted them to stay in but all this stuff about leave being racist/stupid/uneducated/old is just pathetic.

Well I don't know about racist, I don't think you can call someone racist for having concerns about immigration. I have concerns about immigration (still voted remain) but I'd like to think I don't have a racist bone in my body. There are lots of stupid people on both sides of the argument. However I think most polls suggest that people over 55 with lower levels of education were far more likely to vote leave. However their vote is as valid as anyone's.

I'm just p****d off that Farage has got away with some absolute bulls**t during the campaign and people have fallen for it. He has already backtracked on the 350m a week for the NHS pledge, although it isn't something h can deliver anyway as he isn't in government. I heard a guy from Wales on the radio earlier say he voted leave because he was told that Turkey was going to join the EU and that 12 million Turks were going to come and live in the UK. I mean WTF? How were the Leave campaign allowed to get away with that rubbish by the Remain camp?

I've never been this annoyed with an election result in my life and I know I'm not alone. That's why I think the UK is very badly divided right now. You have to respect democracy, of course you do, but 48% of people didn't want to leave the EU, that's 16 million people. Their views don't matter now. And I just can't help but feel that quite a few who voted Leave just weren't as informed of the consequences as they should have been.

CatFromHue

irishbucsfan wrote: »

And the breaking point posters were far far worse than the 350m claim. They were blatantly xenophobic and manipulative and actually likely had far more of an effect.

I think the TV footage of the migrant crisis last year was far more influential than the posters. The idea of possible problems down the line started forming then, the poster just re iterated peoples worries that they already had.

I think the treatment of people who worried about mass migration from countries with very different cultures was handled badly by the internet users (I didn't see any of the TV debates). Calling them names like racist or xenophobic just solidified their opinion. Granted some of them are racist and/or xenophobic but I'd say a lot were genuinely worried about the societal problems that come with taking in huge amounts of people with different cultural values.

Also the New Years sexual assaults would have been in people's minds. There seemed to be relatively little to do about this as the victims were white, like the Rotherham child sexual abuse victims.

Neil3030

matthew8 wrote: »

I'm not disputing that the old and uneducated voted for brexit, what's pathetic is whinging about it, as if these people don't count.

Of course they count. The problem is that they are more easily manipulated by devious propaganda. The Leave side won this campaign by uncorking a bunch of compelling but specious nonsense on pissed-off people least equipped to see through their lies. Plenty worth whinging about if you ask me, not least the terrible counter-campaign orchestrated by the by the Remain side.

matthew8

Neil3030 wrote: »

Pathetic indeed. Oh, if pathetic now means 'empirically observable'

errlloyd wrote: »

The vast majority of the leave campaign (95% plus) fit neatly into one of those brackets.

I'm not disputing that the old and uneducated voted for brexit, what's pathetic is whinging about it, as if these people don't count.

Neil3030

matthew8 wrote: »

The whinging is unreal from the remain side. I wanted them to stay in but all this stuff about leave being racist/stupid/uneducated/old is just pathetic.

Pathetic indeed. Oh, if pathetic now means 'empirically observable'

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errlloyd

matthew8 wrote: »

The whinging is unreal from the remain side. I wanted them to stay in but all this stuff about leave being racist/stupid/uneducated/old is just pathetic.

The vast majority of the leave campaign (95% plus) fit neatly into one of those brackets.

matthew8

bilston wrote: »

There is some real division on this today in the UK. I've witnessed people having arguments on Facebook and people under 40, who mainly voted remain, are wondering why people over 60, mainly voted leave, are getting to dictate the future of the country that will affect the young a lot more than the old!

The whinging is unreal from the remain side. I wanted them to stay in but all this stuff about leave being racist/stupid/uneducated/old is just pathetic.

bilston

There is some real division on this today in the UK. I've witnessed people having arguments on Facebook and people under 40, who mainly voted remain, are wondering why people over 60, mainly voted leave, are getting to dictate the future of the country that will affect the young a lot more than the old!

BBDBB

Gibraltar to join the Pro 12

Felix Jones is God

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Will noone spare a thought for poor gibraltar?

I've been dealing with that issue since 6am :mad:

irishbucsfan

Podge_irl wrote: »

Yeah. Gove and Johnson are the despicable folks responsible for that. Farage just hates brown people.

And the breaking point posters were far far worse than the 350m claim. They were blatantly xenophobic and manipulative and actually likely had far more of an effect.

b.gud

b.gud wrote: »

Was planning on selling my car send buying a newer one. On the way to test drive so car today a little old lady ran into me on the round about.
She is adamant that she wasn't at fault, I know for sure fact she is so now I'll probably have to deal with the hassle of insurance companies for a couple of weeks

Are you f***ing s***ing me, on the way home from work this evening sitting traffic and someone runs into the back of me

Podge_irl

irishbucsfan wrote: »

There were two leave campaigns, people struggle to understand that. Vote Leave and Leave.uk (and I think they were as bad as each other).

I very much dislike the man but people need to focus on criticising the things he actually is responsible for.

Yeah. Gove and Johnson are the despicable folks responsible for that. Farage just hates brown people.

errlloyd

Yeah, and we're lucky. Because Farage never promised 350mn for the NHS, but even if he did he wouldn't be able to deliver it.

Boris on the other hand, Boris very much promised 350mn for the NHS, and the chances are he'll be prime minister in a couple of months. So the people of Britain can hold him to the white words on the side of his bus.

irishbucsfan

Bazzo wrote: »

Have to say though, got a laugh out of Farage and the 350 million...

There were two leave campaigns, people struggle to understand that. Vote Leave and Leave.uk (and I think they were as bad as each other).

I very much dislike the man but people need to focus on criticising the things he actually is responsible for.

Bazzo

Have to say though, got a laugh out of Farage and the 350 million for the NHS antics today.

https://twitter.com/keaneshaw/status/746230773770969088