Fourteen migrants discovered hidden in refrigerated container at Rosslare Europort

Hungry Burger · 10-01-2024 01:36PM

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Actually, Tourist visa overstayers don’t get the right to an immigration hearing in the US like those who cross international borders illegally, so what you say is not true. There’s stories of undocumented Irish being deported after 20-30 years in the states, even those who came to the US as children so it’s nowhere near as easy as you say.

As for the numbers I wouldn’t have a clue but I say it couldn’t be more than 50 a year, was probably higher during the Trump administration. The other side is many who are caught will also be sent to jail for breaking the law and rightly so.

If you are undocumented in the US you won’t have a great quality of life, you have to work cash in hand and can’t get basic things or services like a driving licence, not a great quality of life by any means (certainly no promise of own door accommodation, medical cards, free food and eventually social entitlements) and most leave voluntarily after a short stint. This is completely unlike the situation in Ireland where the vast, vast majority of migrants who reach these shores will be allowed to stay eventually.

Boggles · 10-01-2024 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596564#Comment_121596564

If you are undocumented in the US you won’t have a great quality of life, you have to work cash in hand and can’t get basic things or services like a driving licence

That's not remotely true, my mate who got his green card last year, runs a business over there, pays tax, has health insurance, owns a home and has several vehicles.

He was "undocumented".

Another lad I know owns a fairly large building company all done undocumented, he has since got married and normalised.

In fact the undocumented over there pay billions in tax annually.

https://pozogoldstein.com/undocumented-immigrants-pay-11-6-billion-taxes-every-year-study-shows-2/

Hungry Burger · 10-01-2024 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596595#Comment_121596595

You just said he “didn’t even know he was undocumented” so sounds like a unique case.

On the contrary, I know a lad from school who was in NY after over staying a tourist visa who worked in a bar cash in hand and who could do nothing officially for the fear of being caught, he was helped by the Irish community over there and lived with a fella from Roscommon who was legal and gave him rent in cash, he came home after 2 years voluntarily because he was after having his fun and saw no long term future there because he was undocumented.

Boggles · 10-01-2024 01:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596627#Comment_121596627

You just said he “didn’t even know he was undocumented” so sounds like a unique case.

No, he was undocumented.

A work visa was never processed he was there 14 years before he realised he was undocumented.

Didn't stop him living like he wasn't though.

Nothing stopping that lad from school paying taxes or getting a drivers licence or even starting a company. The bar could have paid his taxes on his behalf but I'd say they were more than happy to pay him cash in hand.

Like so many Irish have.

Hungry Burger · 10-01-2024 01:57PM

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It’s just not true. If you’re an undocumented immigrant in America you can’t get a social security number which you need to be able to work legally.

Gussoe · 10-01-2024 02:04PM

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Getting a drivers license in the US is handled by each state. Currently 16 states allow drivers licenses without proof of status, so yeah they can get one.

jmayo · 10-01-2024 02:06PM

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One would swear no one ever refused to obey any legal requirements or conventions they may have signed up to.

Hell I bet you are apoplectic when the likes of Hungary don't fling open the gates, Belgium refuse accommodation for single adult males, Poland refused to take refugees never mind when very wealthy near neighbours Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait refused to take Syrians.

BTW did anyone anywhere ever sign up to taking in undocumented people presenting in their country, giving them hotel style accommodation, free medical care and leave to wander freely around the country?

I just love how some try and make it out that we are legally obligated to bend over backwards for whomever shows up these days.

Perhaps you should lecture other countries about how wrong and illegal they are.

One eyed Jack · 10-01-2024 02:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596722#Comment_121596722

It’s true that you need a SSN to be able to work legally, but when you’re an illegal immigrant, that doesn’t mean you can’t work, or pay taxes for that matter. It does mean you’re not normally entitled to social security-

What is an ITIN used for?

IRS issues ITINs to help individuals comply with the U.S. tax laws, and to provide a means to efficiently process and account for tax returns and payments for those not eligible for Social Security numbers. They are issued regardless of immigration status, because both resident and nonresident aliens may have a U.S. filing or reporting requirement under the Internal Revenue Code. ITINs do not serve any purpose other than federal tax reporting.

An ITIN does not:

Authorize work in the U.S.
Provide eligibility for Social Security benefits
Qualify a dependent for Earned Income Tax Credit Purposes

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpayer-identification-number

Boggles · 10-01-2024 02:07PM

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That's not true either.

https://pozogoldstein.com/undocumented-immigrants-pay-11-6-billion-taxes-every-year-study-shows-2/

You obviously have never been out to any undocumented Irish in America.

I have several times and I will tell you right now your description would make them chuckle hard.

If you are undocumented in the US you won’t have a great quality of life, you have to work cash in hand and can’t get basic things or services

10-01-2024 02:10PM

Irish illegals (overstayers) rearly normalize their status in the US.

It's usually only the ones who marry US citizens.

Most like the other poster mentioned live in a cash economy, under the radar as much as possible.

While US immigration authorities could walk into any Irish bar in NY or Boston and deport half the people in it they don't do so.

But if you come to the attention of the law, depending on the city or state, you could find yourself in a detention center ready to be shipped back to Ireland with a 10 year exclusion order.

jmayo · 10-01-2024 02:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596432#Comment_121596432

Ah yes another one of the usual chestnuts thrown out to make us feel bad and shut to fook up.

Can you please tell all of us illiterate uneducated idiots how the US government provided free accommodation, free food, free education, free healthcare and freedom to move around the US for the Irish undocumented?

Of course you have a mate or know someone that fits every possible eventuality. 🙄

Juran · 10-01-2024 02:16PM

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Did they arrive in the states before 9/11 2001 ?

Prior to 2001, you could get a social security no. on a visitor visa. If you were undocumented, you could open a bank account, get a drivers licence, register a business, and some other basic registrations. A new law was passed following 9/11 so that all these institutes requires copy of your citizenship documents, green card, work visa etc before you can get any of the above.

These laws have now made living and working illegally in the states much harder than those who moved there illegally in the 80's and 90's.

Working illegal in the states is do-able when you are young and healthy, but if you get sick or need hospital treatment, surgery, expensive medication, etc.. forget it. Time to book your aerlingus home.

Boggles · 10-01-2024 02:17PM

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Can you please tell all of us illiterate uneducated idiots

Am. Harsh I wouldn't go that far.

The undocumented in Ireland are far more likely to be working than the documented.

Work participating rates of above 90%.

The survey revealed that over 90% of undocumented people living in Ireland are employed

The survey further revealed that 70% of undocumented people in Ireland are aged between 24-44, almost 60% of them are women and 40% men.

More than a quarter of the survey participants are providing care to older people in private home settings. A little less than 20% are working in cleaning and maintenance sectors, 20% in restaurants and catering services, and 10% are employed in the childcare sector.

If only Anto and Deco had the same work ethic.

Gatling · 10-01-2024 02:17PM

@Boggles That's not remotely true, my mate who got his green card last year, runs a business over there, pays tax, has health insurance, owns a home and has several vehicles.

He was "undocumented".

Which one was it did get a green card or was he undocumented, you apply for your Green card before you even get to the States which would mean you wouldn't be undocumented at all

Boggles · 10-01-2024 02:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596908#Comment_121596908

No idea, like I said he paid a lawyer to sort it. Green Card would have been the last step.

His years of paying taxes and his contribution was taken into account, I know that.

Boggles · 10-01-2024 02:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596900#Comment_121596900

https://unitedwedream.org/how-to-obtain-a-drivers-license-if-youre-undocumented/#:~:text=Currently%2C%20sixteen%20states%20and%20the,be%20able%20to%20drive%20legally.

Currently, sixteen states and the District of Columbia allow undocumented people to obtain driver’s licenses. United We Dream has put together this guide for non-citizens and undocumented folks to understand if they are eligible, and what they need to do in order to be able to drive legally.

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/banking/undocumented-immigrants-bank-accounts#:~:text=Yes%2C%20it's%20possible%20to%20open,consular%20ID%20or%20birth%20certificate.

https://pozogoldstein.com/undocumented-immigrants-pay-11-6-billion-taxes-every-year-study-shows-2/

This is America lads, the undocumented are badly needed, they would probably starve without them.

Trump doesn't even believe the shíté he is peddling, he employs them himself.

Hungry Burger · 10-01-2024 02:23PM

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No I haven’t been out to many undocumented people in America because, mainly, when I go away to a foreign country I don’t associate myself with criminals. Although I don’t think you have been out much either by the sounds of things. It’s common knowledge how undocumented Irish live in America and it’s not owning businesses, houses, multiple cars etc like your “mate”

Boggles · 10-01-2024 02:25PM

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Criminals!

lol

Gatling · 10-01-2024 02:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596933#Comment_121596933

Green card would have been the first step no ?

Hungry Burger · 10-01-2024 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596997#Comment_121596997

If they are caught they are sent to jail and deported, so yes.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/22/578930256/undocumented-irish-unexpectedly-caught-in-trumps-immigration-dragnet

Here’s just one quick example of a criminal sitting in U.S custody in a yellow jumpsuit. Great look!

Boggles · 10-01-2024 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121597050#Comment_121597050

Like I said I have no idea. There is a whole legal industry around it.

I know he couldn't leave for years and then had to leave regularly and go back regularly for some reason.

But he is 100% normalised now.

Boggles · 10-01-2024 02:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121597103#Comment_121597103

He certainly sounds like one.

O'Riordan was arrested for domestic assault and battery, but Brenna denied she had been assaulted. The county chose not to prosecute. O'Riordan had no prior criminal record, so the judge let him go.

Then, when he walked out of the holding cell, ICE agents were waiting for him. Someone in the courthouse had tipped them off. He has been locked up for four months now.

Hungry Burger · 10-01-2024 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121597141#Comment_121597141

There you go then.

Augme · 10-01-2024 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121596799#Comment_121596799

See this is a good example of the lack of education and knowledge on various immigrstion issues.

I have no problem with Hungary taking the position they have. If they want to lock themselves out of billions of EU funding then that's their decision. I wouldn't see it as a very smart one personally though. There's currently over €10bn in funds that they are frozen out of because of their stance on issues like right to academic freedom, the protection of the LGBTQ+ minority and the right to asylum. Why they joined the EU in the first place seems to be a mystery tbh.

I don't really understand how not providing accommodation is going to make things better. Having a polity in place that activ8ely develops tent cities that we have seen in France just seems like a really really stupid idea tbh. But feel free to tell me otherwise and why you think creating tent cities is intact a great idea and one Ireland should be actively pursuing?

Again, Poland haven't refused to take refugees. They have said they will not take people in from the EU relocation scheme. The scheme will provide an option for EU states to accept refugees who have claimed asylum in other EU states or else a fee for every alysum seeker they refuse to take.

You might be very eager to emulate the human rights record of Saui Arbia, Qatar, and UAE but I don't think many other people are.

And yes, we are legally obligated to provide accommodation. We could lock them up in prisons technically, but I'm not sure what benefit that provides either though especially given the cost.