Fourteen migrants discovered hidden in refrigerated container at Rosslare Europort

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121602536#Comment_121602536

Made up nonsense.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603529#Comment_121603529

Who paid for the police who apprehended them? Their transport from Rosslare to Citywest? Their medical examinations? Their food? Etc??

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121605933#Comment_121605933

They didn’t try, they did enter Ireland illegally. That is against the law, hence the word illegally.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610032#Comment_121610032

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610038#Comment_121610038

Of course it’s made up nonsense. I made it clear that if we were all held to the same standard of the Dublin agreement not existing, then of course we could send them back no questions asked, and Belgium could send them back to us, and it could go back and forth between the two Member States while the migrants in question decide to seek asylum in the UK (that last part was a joke).

The point being that under the DR, it outlines the legal obligations on all member states, and in terms of returns and take backs, there are legal obligations there too, which mean that member states can’t just pop migrants on the next plane, ferry whatever, and send them back. There’s a whole process in place which can take months, and that’s only after the State in which they are present has fulfilled its legal obligations under international humanitarian law. That’s why Leo proposed that their choices now were either to be facilitated in being returned to their home country, or apply for international protection here in Ireland, with no suggestion that they be sent back to Belgium.

You’ll get a better overview of the whole process from here, rather than relying on a single line from an article on the IPO website which doesn’t say what you think it means:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2013/604/2013-06-29

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610055#Comment_121610055

The State. What you and others are trying to infer by saying costs are borne by the taxpayer is no different than if I claimed I paid for my neighbours children’s education. I clearly did not. I paid the taxes I have a legal obligation to pay. They are revenue for Government, and it’s the Minister for Finance then decides how the monies received will be allocated. Public funds are not taxes. Individuals don’t have the right to determine how public funds are spent. I don’t have to tell you how it goes for anyone who decides they’re not going to pay taxes which are owed to Revenue because they object to how public funds are being used.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610074#Comment_121610074

They didn’t enter the State illegally. They were rescued from a container and it was determined that they were the victims of illegal human trafficking. That is not the same as attempting to enter the State illegally, and it is not the same as attempting to remain in the State without permission from the Minister for Justice. If you’re actually so concerned that they have committed a criminal offence, then you’re more than welcome to make a complaint to AGS and see that your taxes are being put to use which you approve of. Well, that’s if they don’t simply remind you that it has nothing to do with them:

Gardaí have also stated that this is not a matter for An Garda Síochána as the people involved were not arrested, detained or under criminal investigation.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/missing-migrants-from-rosslare-container-wont-be-pursued-department-confirms-1574453.html

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608301#Comment_121608301

There are posters here and on other immigration/migration threads telling us that this is the tip of the iceberg what with climate change forcing people from Africa, etc.

There is implied assumption that Europe and EU members will just take all these millions of people.

And nothing will happen?

There is already astronomical rise in right wing groups in Europe over last decade, primarily fueled by immigration and most if not all of those are EU skeptics.

The EU is doomed as an entity if it does not now move to STOP the current level of migration into it.

Natives throughout Europe are increasingly seeing this whole immigration/migration as an actual invasion (increasingly people in Ireland now seeing this as a new plantation) and more specifically an invasion of certain very anti European cultures and ideologies.

Just look at history, no population group in history has ever willingly welcomed being overrun in their own territory.

And sooner or later people start to fight back.

Sometimes they fail and sometimes they win.

Either way it isn't pretty and one side gets wiped out or driven out.

Now people will label me a conspiracy theorist, a right wing fanboy, a loon.

But those same people appear totally oblivious to history and actual human nature.

I will bet now that if there is not major move to totally limit the current, nevermind future increasing, migrant flows that in the coming decades you will have very far right rulers in a lot of major European countries, that the EU will have lost members and is breaking up, that you may even have military takeovers in some countries.

Yes it may be deemed fanciful, but the current so called intelligentsia, the current political classes, the current media and NGO classes have their heads so far up their asses they can't see where this is headed.

jackofalltrades

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610357#Comment_121610357

"...it was determined that they were the victims of illegal human trafficking."

Where is the press release where the authorities have investigated and determined that these people were victims of human trafficking?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121611146#Comment_121611146

An investigation into human trafficking is under way following the discovery of 14 people in a refrigerated container, which arrived on a ferry to Rosslare on Monday.

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The investigation is being led by gardaí in Wexford and supported by the Garda National Immigration Bureau.

They are also liaising with police and customs in the UK, France and Belgium, as well as Europol and Interpol.

Gardaí are interviewing the migrants with the assistance of interpreters.

The investigation is trying to establish where they entered the refrigerated container, which was loaded south of Paris and driven to the port in Belgium.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0110/1425684-rosslare/

JP Liz V1

Have the missing 8 been located for "questioning"

jackofalltrades

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121611406#Comment_121611406

None of that proves the claim of "...it was determined that they were the victims of illegal human trafficking."

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121612227#Comment_121612227

The very first line proves it was determined they were the victims of illegal human trafficking. You asked for the press release where the authorities have investigated and determined that these people were victims of human trafficking, and I provided it, in the first line of the article I linked to -

An investigation into human trafficking is under way following the discovery of 14 people in a refrigerated container, which arrived on a ferry to Rosslare on Monday.

lumphammer2

This is the disgusting world of people trafficking as well as the evil game that powerful world powers' leaders play to the detriment of the world in general ... does not surprise me at all where most of these refugees came from ... Iraq and Iran ...

Iraq is a country that was targeted by the US for a war ... that war turned into the greatest mess ever to be inflicted on a country ... and had the benefit to destroy that country for the foreseeable ... think of Iraq today and you think of IS/ISIS/ISIL/DAESH/Al Qaeda ... i.e. terrorism ...

Iran is a country lead by a government who are told to keep Iran poor and its people oppressed by world powers so that it never reaches its full potential ... the Iranian government follow orders and implement them so as to deliberately make their country one giant prison for its misfortunate people ...

World War 3 is often feared but if you ask me it is well and truly on for years .... it is USA v Russia fought in other countries and US/Russia combined to keep other would be powers ... Iran, Iraq ... in their place ...

Sometimes we talk about humans as being 'intelligent' life forms ... but I don't see that in the type of 'leaders' we have and follow ... war, oppression, killing, greed, state sponsored crime ... these people turned up in Rosslare from what should be 2 rich and stable countries that instead are basketcases ... in a proper world citizens of all countries would be able to prosper .... isn't it time we end this war culture and jealousy between countries?? ... it is dragging us down and it never ends well for anyone ...

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608481#Comment_121608481

Did it ever occur to you that some migrants are decent people caught in an impossible situation?

Did it ever occur to you that "we cannot embrace all the misery of the world" in the words of President Macron of France.

We cannot keep taking in migrants, it's physically impossible as it stands. Enough is enough.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610357#Comment_121610357

Your rational on taxes is absolutely bonkers, of course things that cost the state money are paid for by taxpayers. Either now or in the future. Tax payers are not just individuals also.

You know this though. Like you know you paying taxes does indirectly pay for your neighbors kids to go to school.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121612257#Comment_121612257

That would be determined by the investigation. No need for an investigation if it’s already been determined.

No matter how bold you make it.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121613724#Comment_121613724

They’re not paid for by taxpayers though, they’re provided for by public funds. That’s what I know, just like I know my taxes don’t pay either directly or indirectly for my neighbours children’s education, nor do my taxes pay for AGS wages, and were I to enter my local Garda Station and declare that I pay their wages and it’s their duty to serve me… that’s not likely to go down too well 😂

No, people have the right to protest about how public funds are spent, or Government spending; they have the right to campaign for public funding for their own causes or interests, but nowhere does anyone have the right to demand that public funds be denied to people or services they do not want public funds provided for, and to have their demands taken seriously. That’s why it’s just a meaningless argument when anyone says their taxes are paying for anything.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121613746#Comment_121613746

It’s not determined by any investigation. It’s determined by an officer not below the rank of Superintendent in the GNIB:

This notice applies to a foreign national who is identified as a suspected victim of human trafficking, that is, where there are reasonable grounds for believing that he or she is a victim of an offence under sections 2 or 4 of the Criminal Law (Human Trafficking) Act 2008 or section 3(other than subsections (2A) and (2B)) of the Child Trafficking and Pornography Act 1998. Whether there are reasonable grounds for that belief in any particular case is determined by a member of the Garda Síochána not below the rank of Superintendent at the Office of the Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNIB) at 13-14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2. For the purpose of this notice a ‘foreign national’ means a person from outside the European Economic Area.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Administrative-Immigration-Arrangements-for-the-Protection-of-Victims-of-Human-Trafficking-March-2011-1.pdf

Gatling

@One eyed Jack They’re not paid for by taxpayers though, they’re provided for by public funds.

Which comes from tax payers you already tried this and failed

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121614472#Comment_121614472

It didn’t fail, because the premise of your argument is complete nonsense in the first place. Paying tax doesn’t give you or anyone else who pays tax the right to determine Government policy on providing accommodation and services for the 14 migrants in this particular case or whether or not Gardaí should investigate when it is determined that the migrants in question are the victims of human trafficking offences committed inside or outside the State.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121614290#Comment_121614290

These people have not confirmed to have been trafficked here - there is an ongoing investigation. It can be suspected all it wants to be - still not comfirmed or proven. It’s disingenuous to claim that these people(who arrived here illegally) have certainly been trafficked.

Re taxation:

I do wonder would your opinion remain the same way if the public purse was being used for dropping bombs somewhere or for something you fundamentally disagree with.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121614629#Comment_121614629

They have been confirmed to have been trafficked here given they were rescued from a shipping container. The ongoing investigation pertains to the criminal investigation into human trafficking. I didn’t claim anything other than it was determined that the migrants concerned were the victims of human trafficking, which it was. It’s not disingenuous either to say they have certainly been trafficked; travelling via shipping containers is not a conventional means of transportation for human beings.

Re: taxation - a reasonable assumption given your point of view, but why would my opinion be any different from my point of view where I argue that whether anyone is or isn’t a taxpayer is irrelevant in terms of Government spending and policies in relation to how migrants are processed and provided for. By your rationale, politicians pay taxes too, so they’re entitled to disagree with you and see that their taxes are spent in accordance with their preferences.

It should immediately be apparent why such a presumption would be ridiculous, much as I think any of the protesters protesting in public who are availing of unemployment benefit should be deprived of it as they are unavailable for work when they’re out protesting. The fact that I pay tax has no relevance whatsoever in terms of arguing that position one way or another.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121614537#Comment_121614537

No , you claimed that there costs of housing and feeding this group or other groups isn't borne by the tax payers as it comes from the public funds better known as the Tax payers, like when you claimed that the costs come from the exchequer aka public funds aka Tax payers,

And yes as Tax payers we absolutely do have say when it comes to our country

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121615750#Comment_121615750

And yes as Tax payers we absolutely do have say when it comes to our country

Everyone has a say when it comes to our country Gatling, doesn’t matter whether anyone’s a taxpayer or not, and more importantly when it comes to how this particular case is handled, you or I have no say whatsoever - it’s Irish and International Human Rights Law takes precedence over individual’s opinions one way or another.

JP Liz V1

Romanian truck driver arrested

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/wexford-district/man-arrested-in-connection-with-rosslare-discovery-of-14-people-in-container-released-without-charge/a725852384.html

JP Liz V1

Any update on these, are they all accounted for in Ireland or deported back?