Life passing by people in their 30s

robbiezero · 22-10-2023 10:32am

I used to think some of the houses in my estate were full time party houses with 4 or 5 cars outside them every evening.

But it was just their adult offspring home from work.

Deeec · 22-10-2023 10:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270120#Comment_121270120

Firstly I have no interest in politics at all - I think all parties are as bad as each other.

So you believe the housing crisis is all down to the government. Do you believe that personal responsibility doesn't play a part in being able to afford a home of your own?

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 10:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270139#Comment_121270139

How are people personally responsible for €2000-€3000+ pm rents in one bed apartments in Dublin with the government supporting US vulture funds buying up entire apartment blocks and housing estate with the sole purpose of ripping off an entire generation of Irish people?

The housing market is rigged and it's the government responsible for the rigging.

"Stick with us" said Leo like a 5 year old boy blushingly to the vulture funds over Zoom. . . . and they sat there and silently laughed to themselves.

Quitelife · 22-10-2023 10:37am

Should there be a limit of how many houses a landlord or REIT can own ?

Larry Goodman for example owns over 2,000 houses / apartments through off shore companies for tax avoidance. What benefit is that to the country?

they are pricing young people out of the housing market

ancapailldorcha · 22-10-2023 10:40am

I think this could have been an interesting discussion but it looks like it's going to be another finger wagging thread. Of course, the same people sneering at those suffering from the housing crisis will inevitably be the ones hysterically wailing when countries have to encourage more immigration to make up for the shortfall caused by people not having children.

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 10:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270158#Comment_121270158

In the Dáil recently Varadkar admitted that whilst it's true that 80,000 emigrated over the past three years (vast majority of them young people), a similar number have returned.

He literally tried to take credit for forcing young people out of their own country (so that they could afford to work and save in another country) on the basis that they later returned.

rowantree18 · 22-10-2023 10:49am

I'm in healthcare and as such work with a lot of Indians in particular. They all buy houses, usually within 3 years of arrival. I'm not referring to any with family money. This is how they do it: live as a couple in one room in a shared house near work. Approx 400e each per month, allow themselves an additional 600e per month for absolutely everything else. Food, any travel etc. Save the rest - usually 2k each per month = 48k per year as a couple = nearly 150k deposit in 3 years.

There are no nights out, coffees, necessary clothing only, no holidays. A lot of communal cooking which can double as socialising. There is basically no unnecessary spending of any description. Colleagues and spouse are just about to sign off on house in a very expensive location by living this way.

I fully accept most of us Irish just couldn't, but it can be done......

ancapailldorcha · 22-10-2023 10:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270178#Comment_121270178

Of course he did. He's not going to actually do anything or even admit to there being a problem.

I toy with the idea of coming back to Ireland. I found an interesting job near Dublin. I don't drive so I'd have to live nearby. I went on Daft to check out the accommodation situation. I found one place for €2,500 s month. Granted, it was a 4-bed but it was literally the only thing in the area.

If people want to sneer they can but it says quite a lot about them.

Greyfox · 22-10-2023 11:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121269938#Comment_121269938

Your unfairly blaming young people, your 30's are supposed to be a time of enjoying life and doing things you might not be able to do when you are older. The current government have f**ked people over, the cost of renting and home ownership is now off the charts and our government are still not treating the housing crisis as a crisis. A few decades ago the government had the excuse that their was no money in the country but that's certainly not the case today.

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270183#Comment_121270183

So these individuals are working in the public sector and they are EACH coming out with a NET €3000 per month? This means their salaries would have to be at least €70,000 EACH.

Just so you're aware they would have to be working for 20+ years as a nurse or teacher in Ireland to be on that net wage.

"It can be done". . . Of course it can on a combined salary of €140,000-€150,000 per year.

The fact that you have to justify such a large combined salary can only come with a deposit for a house after three years of sacrifices which would involve renting with someone else clearly says it all.

BlueSkyDreams · 22-10-2023 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121269989#Comment_121269989

Good article, but the lack of accomodation is clearly the biggest problem.

When we cant fill the jobs because there is nowhere for people to live, the jobs wont be long in relocating themselves.

If the govt stops buying up/renting out private housing, professionals here would have more opportunity to get on the ladder or be able to rent somewhere themselves.

We do appear to have a population growth strategy that does not accord with our housing delivery.

That disconnect is only ever going to end badly.

More needs to be done to build homes. Everyone knows it, but nobody is doing it.

Citizen Six · 22-10-2023 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270216#Comment_121270216

But when did that definition of your 30s begin? People in their 30s in the 80s and early 90s wouldn't have been that way would they?

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 11:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270189#Comment_121270189

On the sneering I hear a lot of older people in public random conversation asking others "Where are you living?"

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270240#Comment_121270240

In fairness it was tough in the nineties when the average price of a semi-detached new build was £40,000.

Citizen Six · 22-10-2023 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270253#Comment_121270253

Maybe so, but you couldn't get a flat white or smashed avocado anywhere!

FishOnABike · 22-10-2023 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270139#Comment_121270139

Largely to successive government policies. My parents could buy a three bedroom house for 4 x a single public service salary.

Nowadays it would be a struggle for a two income public service household to rent, let alone buy a three bedroom house in almost any Irish city.

House price inflation has far outstripped wage increases over time. This is largely due to lack of supply.

Social housing stock was sold off and not replaced. Local authorities left supply of social housing to private developers and then compete with private buyers for the limited housing supply. This is purely down to government policy.

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 11:20am

The policy of FF/FG/Official Ireland is to allow young Irish people to emigrate and bring in cheaper foreign national alternatives, mainly from Asia. This has been happening in Health for years and the plan now is for this to occur in Education also.

FintanMcluskey · 22-10-2023 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121269856#Comment_121269856

The bigger problem now is people seem to want it all. They have to have nice new cars, beauty treatments, designer everything, Weekend breaks one a month, a few hols a year, eat out a lot etc. Im early 40s and see this in my own friend group - they moan how they can't afford to buy yet never even try to save.

Excellent point. A similar rhetoric exists across all aspects of society nowadays.

In reality life has never been as good for people in Ireland.

Another recent phenomenon is listening to entitled **** baying for a recession so they might pick up a cheap house all the while enjoying 4 or 5 foreign holidays a year. Scum

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270292#Comment_121270292

So people looking to buy a house at a more affordable price are ****s according to you?

lol

This website really is the pits.

rowantree18 · 22-10-2023 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270229#Comment_121270229

As a staff nurse, not even nearly at the top of the scale (which is about 51k) you easily come out with 3000k per month into your hand when you factor in twillight differential, night differential, Sunday/Bank Holiday pay. You could easily work 4 Sundays a month as the desperation for staff is there. A bit of overtime bumps you up too. Neither of the couple is on 70k. I'm fully aware of the pay scale. And by doing a cns course (clinical nurse specialist) for example, you can effectively bypass the working your way up the pay scale. You don't need 20 years.

I'm not pushing this as a methodology for house acquisition - merely pointing out that it is possible . As the rights and wrongs of it - another topic.

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270336#Comment_121270336

Not the case in teaching where 20 years of service would be required. But there is no such thing as paid overtime in teaching.

lbunnae · 22-10-2023 11:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270335#Comment_121270335

Hahahah yeah people aren't allowed to want house prices to come down. This is from the people who bought them for 20% of their current value.

FintanMcluskey · 22-10-2023 11:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270335#Comment_121270335

No. The point I was making that they wish all the suffering and misery in the world on those who have already taken the plunge and worked hard for a house, just so they might find one a bit cheaper.

lbunnae · 22-10-2023 11:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270336#Comment_121270336

How on earth do they find someone willing to rent out a room to a couple in a house share? I don't think you have a clue tbh

FintanMcluskey · 22-10-2023 11:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270349#Comment_121270349

Who has bought houses at 20% of their current value?

Peter Flynt · 22-10-2023 11:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270354#Comment_121270354

"All the suffering and misery in the world........."

rowantree18 · 22-10-2023 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121270358#Comment_121270358

A fair few of the nursing homes actually have house on site believe it or not - TLC - being just one, it's hard to get staff otherwise. And as for not having a clue - there are houses all over Dublin with couples/friends sharing rooms. My daughter shared a room in a house through college. Landlords absolutely rent that way.