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Life passing by people in their 30s

  • 21-10-2023 11:00PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I’m read the Irish Times today. There was a long article about the housing crisis meaning people in their 30s are still living with their parents, and the negative impact that has on them.


    I thought the people featured were very whingy, but it still made me think. Are there loads of people in their 30s living like teenagers? Will there be a lot of women who never have kids because they had no house of their own? Or are these people untypical?

    The 30somethings I know generally buy houses, but some of them are at home until that point, never rent at all. It can’t be good for you to stay at home until late 20s-30s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Saw that article too, but only the headline. It does seem there’s no where to rent. A lot of younger people are leaving, Australia seems to be popular. During the last crash they left because of lack of jobs and plenty of rental and now it seems to be the opposite! Would you blame them. What good is a job if you’ve no where to live??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I think we need to stop looking down on people who still live with their parents. Intelligent people don't pay high rents if they don't have to - the sensible thing to do is stay at home and save to buy a home as soon as you can. This is what happened years ago and didn't stop anyone ' having a life'.

    As regards young people leaving the country - it's not true in most cases that they are leaving because of the bad state of the country. Most I know left for the experience of living abroad or wanted to travel. Most will be back in a few years.

    The bigger problem now is people seem to want it all. They have to have nice new cars, beauty treatments, designer everything, Weekend breaks one a month, a few hols a year, eat out a lot etc. Im early 40s and see this in my own friend group - they moan how they can't afford to buy yet never even try to save.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, quite a lot of 30-40 year olds continue to live irresponsibly; partying, not taking care of themselves, failing to save, spending recklessly, not developing and committing to a long-term plan. Of course, many people stay at home with their parents because they have no choice. Perhaps rents are simply too high. So that's a separate cohort.

    But as another poster said, some people want to have their cake and eat it. They want a hedonistic lifestyle complete with Instagram pics of their latest expensive holiday, yet will complain they cannot afford to save for a deposit. They can't have it both ways.

    They need to grow up a bit, take some responsibility, cut back on the greed, develop a long-term budgetary plan - and stick to it.

    Blaming the government for your own failings is pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭Car99


    In fairness though government housing policy is a failure and trying to fix it by competing with tax payers in the market to buy homes is making things worse for the working person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    I don't know , really intelligent people work in a job where they can afford to not live with their folks in their 30s imo. Can afford to rent and save for a house. I still wouldn't look down on people for living with their folks though , rent is very high.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    The housing options for single people in the bigger cities is pretty grim. Either rent indefinitely in house shares or stay at home with their parents.

    I think everyone be they married and working poor, single, disabled etc deserve the chance to have an affordable property.

    This country needs lots more housing and apartments. Built to a decent standard. Energy efficient and with good soundproofing. In particular we really need to up our game regarding apartment living. Too many horrendous unattractive apartments with terrible soundproofing out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,193 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    People who move to Australia will find that there is a housing crisis in the cities there. They could probably find cheaper property away from the cities. Same thing in Ireland, they could move to Longford.

    https://www.propertypriceregister.ie/website/npsra/PPR/npsra-ppr.nsf/PPR-By-Date&Start=1&Query=%5Bdt_execution_date%5D%3E=01/08/2023%20AND%20%5Bdt_execution_date%5D%3C01/10/2023%20AND%20%5Bdc_county%5D=Longford&County=Longford&Year=2023&StartMonth=08&EndMonth=09&Address=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Or they choose to live in a part of the country where renting and, in particular, buying a property is actually reasonably affordable. There are many such areas. Everyone seems to think they should be able to live it up in the most popular parts of the biggest cities. Life doesn't work like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I know everyone cant stay at home until they can buy but there is no shame in it. Those who can stay at home should - its a great leg up to get onto the property ladder. The notion that everyone should move out when their 18 is actually contributing to the housing crisis as housing is taken up by those who could live at home. The stigma of living at home needs to be removed. Of course there needs to be give and take on both sides ( parent and adult child) for it too work.

    Housing was always expensive. No generation found it easy. Previous generations had a better ethic though towards saving for it and how to get to that goal though. The younger generation now need to realise they cant have it all - they have to make sacrifices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    That's an option too , but I think mostly people want to live somewhere close to where they grew up in fairness. Rural Ireland can be a bit into themselves for us Dubs. But many Dubs do still make the change. I would definitely make the change as oppose to living with my Folks for years in my 30s. I don't see that as growing up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    They buying houses now, or you mean free ones?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Nah I agree it shouldn't be looked down on. I think in your 30s though you should make the effort to move out , one way or another. Previous generations were better at saving? Possibly true. But the price of a house price was 3/4 times their Income not 8/9.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,299 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, financialisation of our property markets has completely failed, it is now inducing serious, long term social and economic dysfunctions, so, go us!



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Both can be true at the same time - failure of government with housing and people being financially irresponsible.

    One does not excuse the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Most of the people I know who are living at home in their 30s did move out in their 20s paid high rents and then realised they couldn't buy. They've now moved home to save. If they had lived at home in their 20s though they would be homeowners now. They thought the right thing to do was move out and rent when it wasnt.

    I feel nowadays you need to be buying young ie in late 20s/early 30s. Those that are leaving it late and buying while having babies are finding it very difficult financially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Sure the gubbermunt have all the houses on the market bought so they can give them away for free to “single men of fighting age”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Yeah average salaries have in no way increased in line with rent or houses prices at all. I think that's why younger people disagree and laugh at the financial responsibility line older people trot out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    And to think there are irish families with two and three siblings all sitting on their arses since leaving school at 14, and they’re now in their early 20’s with no job, two kids, and STILL waiting for THEIR houses. Well they were offered one but it didn’t have a south facing back garden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,851 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Much of Ireland's housing stock is underutilised - lots of "empty nesters" in houses that are now far too big for them. There are many reasons including environmental, social and financial why it is better for adult children to live in the family home for as long as possible.

    The pressure that people feel to move out of the family home by age x is part of a sheeple herd mentality. Vested interests (i.e. anyone involved in the property industry) take advantage of this. Men are particuarly affected by this due to misandry and average men being regarded as utilities whose role is to provide for women. - hence we get sneers about men who still live at home, what a loser, his mammy probably still does his washing etc.

    Remember during the property boom years the ad for a mortgage provider where a lad is bringing a girl back to his (parents') house to ride her and is hoping that his parents are not up. Also, from around the same time, John McGuire's I'm An Adult, Get Ne Out Of Here programme. Vested interests.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Wha - where did he mention or imply giving houses away to welfare tourists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    For as long as possible?Social reasons?? Utter horseshite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Translation: Rapidash is a supporter of FF/FG.

    Looks as if the "We all partied line" has now turned into "We're still partying".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    It's a very poor argument when you look at average salaries Vs average house prices or average rent even.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,595 ✭✭✭circadian


    Boards must have a fascinating demographic. I wonder what the average age of the users is. I get the feeling that most regular users, especially outside of the niche categories, are probably pushing mid 40's with the uptake of new, younger users in steady decline for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,851 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Looks like the financially illiterate sheeple have arrived in the thread. Of course people are free to hand over their money to landlords and property vested interests and turf their children (that they probably shouldn't have had in the first place) out the door at 18, 21, 25 so they can continue the cycle. Because that's what other people do. Then stand there with your mouths hanging open wondering why your family can't build or pass on wealth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    What are you talking about hahaha. Families should all just live with each other indefinitely is it? Hahahha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Most users on here are extremely right wing, excessively selfish (but that's an Irish trait in fairness) and many are cronies/supporters of FF/FG trying to tell younger people they've never had it so good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    That’s an analysis but wrong imo. I don’t know where you get the notion they are FF/FG shills or extreme right wing. And selfishness being an Irish trait. Ridiculous



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