Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493527#Comment_121493527

"...nothing to do"

We've a live one here

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493527#Comment_121493527

Yeah there's a kettle of fish.

Try to address the issue of purposeless women (or girls rather) getting knocked up like its their religion?

Having kids none stop with absolutely zero ability to provide for them in any meaningful capacity, ensuring they become the next generation of societal burden.

And correctly emphasize this as being the ultimate underlying cause of this entire socio-economic catastrophe?

Prepare to be branded as a misanthrope.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493528#Comment_121493528

Who are these organizations you speak of?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493745#Comment_121493745

Punish it.

Thats how we stop it.

ASBOs for the youths so they are barred from city centre or their offending area and if the ASBO is breached, tracker goes off around your ankle and they go off to juvinile detention.

Same as above for adults, but they go to prison.

We need more detention centres and more prison spaces, just like we need an increase in all infrastructure to support our population growth.

Currently, we condone the antisocial behaviour, by virtue of there being no consequences.

People ask why do the kids do it.

The question they should be asking is, why wouldnt they do it? When they always get away with it.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971812#Comment_120971812

So basically they turned you into a lapdog, charming.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495622#Comment_121495622

Many countries have mandatory military service.

If it were incorporated as part of the education program, i.e. participation included education, exams and qualified as a school year, I wouldn't see it as a terrible thing.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494579#Comment_121494579

Who are these Left wing FF and FG you refer to. Hardly the right wing Fianna Fail or Fine Gael? Labour are centrist at best

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495778#Comment_121495778

FFG are essentially centre left now, especially in terms of criminal justice & social welfare.

The Torys are centre right and I dont think anyone would suggest FFG are akin to the Conservative Party in terms of policy.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495965#Comment_121495965

That's exactly what I'd suggest

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498061#Comment_121498061

You feel FFG have the same approach to crime, migration & social welfare as the Tory party?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498411#Comment_121498411

Sorry I just realised you put the word "Centre" in front of the word "Right" in describing the Tories...

So... No... haha!

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494083#Comment_121494083

Guess he was hoping no one would know where those apartments were.

Playground behind them, football and basketball behind that, and the YMCA across the road. Then there's everything else within walking distance as it's in the middle of dublin.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493843#Comment_121493843

There may be some element of truth to this?

City councils in all their wisdom, have constructed cheap housing and accommodation piled on top itself and it's quite reliably these areas that produce the most criminality and delinquency.

Not only that, but basically cramming low-earners or welfare recipients exclusively into these ghetto like estates/projects?

They didn't do themselves or anyone else any favours.

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Conversely, the baby-factory mentality amongst that demographic isn't without blame, and then it becomes a self perpetuating issue.

And when you look at young professionals who bust their ass, earn a wage and make tax contributions, forced to live in some house share, who would probably kill for a place of their own, it does emphasize the entitlement of welfare demographics who are given everything for free and then demand more and blame their supposed deprivation for their poor behaviour.

Quitelife

It’s the same all over the country - criminals have more rights than the law abiding people .

Judges & free legal aid solicitors will ensure nothing happens to the scum bags ruining our towns and cities.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502790#Comment_121502790

This is unfortunately and unquestionably, the sad reality of our times.

But how to improve this?

How to change it?

It's in many respects a social disaster that keeps getting worse.

These delinquent groups simply running riot (literally), and they know there's no repercussions.

I'm simply not sold on the idea of "build another prison", because at heart -- this was predictable;

We could see this coming years, decades ago, cause quite simply it's what our culture would inevitably produce once population started to rise.

Another prison may alleviate some overcrowding, but at untold cost to the taxpayer, and at heart, will it really change/improve societal behaviour?

Quitelife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502798#Comment_121502798

We have less prison capacity than we had 30 years ago and there’s a huge increase in crime in that period and a large increase in population. Unless you murder someone you’ve a great chance of getting out of doing time . Criminals know this meaning you can rob houses , mug people , beat up people , etc etc and get away with it .

We need about 3 new jails at this stage and I would pay more tax to be able to go about my life in a safer society.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459337#Comment_121459337

Again, quoting stats in contrast to the Netherlands.

We're not far off almost double the number of inmates per 100k of population, already.

Clearly community policing (and by extension, national ethos) needs to improve regardless of how many scrotes get locked away.

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The REAL issue is exactly what we've seen in this thread.

We want better community policing, but don't want coppers to carry weapons.

Want more effective enforcement, but are really only okay with an absolutely minority of largely absent units carrying so much as tasers.

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I hate to say it, but Ireland is a "roll over" culture. We want this and that and complain and grieve, but are completely unprepared to actually address the issue head on....... and the first attempt made to do so, gets shot down for fear of violating our "civil rights", and sensibilities.

Sugar_Rush

I saw this thread on reddit earlier.

reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/18jlv4c/how_to_deal_with_harassment/

Some scrote is harassing a family, and police are basically victim blaming the dude.

This is a microcosm of the justice system in this country.

And if he responds, you can be certain coppers wouldn't hesitate to drag him in and issue penalties.

Quitelife

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1371333/fears-of-vigilante-style-policing-over-anti-social-behaviour-in-limerick-suburb.html

Have to organise volunteers in Castletroy in Limerick to protect walkers from attacks by gurriers

Sugar_Rush

As I see it, Irish coppers carry no authority, and inspire no respect.

When continental scrotes see coppers walking, watch them shut the fuck up and act scared.

Dublin scrotes see coppers walking, they laugh in their face or harass them or ram their vehicle, etc.

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But once again, grant enforcement more authority to remedy the issue?

"Break the back" of scrote culture and the sense of impunity they have in perpetrating their obscenity?

Sooner or later we're going to have to get over that mental block.

tastyt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121503459#Comment_121503459

I’m sorry but this is just never going to work without more prisons too . You can’t put the cart before the horse . Get the scum off the streets and protect your citizens , then worry about prevention and rehabilitation.

Without more prisons they have no incentive to interact with these services . And it’s certainly not up to American tech companies to sort out our social problems , that’s our government’s responsibility

Varik

If we increased prison space obviously it'll fill but I think that eventually the numbers will decrease given time.

Right now it's a revolving door, in and out and in and out. It's like putting your hand in hot water a quick dip and you don't feel it, it doesn't disincentives' anything.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504765#Comment_121504765

That's the point.

The revolving door system, it acts as no kind of deterrent for this compulsive anti-socialites.

They simply get worse.

Community policing, it's the only answer.

Carrot and stick approach. Given the impunity scrotes have, clearly, the stick component is essentially non-existent.

tikka16751

We need integration, humanity and caring.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJQesUOp1k

Look at this shit.

Where are the long batons?

Where's the tasers?

Where's the deterrent?

Bullshinanigans!!

Now check this out:

And this:

Just imagine the "culture shift" having actual law enforcement descending upon this perpetual scumbag free-for-all would make?

How much nicer Ireland would become?

Thinking about this makes me truly HATE the primitive values and general lack of will to venture outside the historical "box", that best characterizes Irish politicians.

Sugar_Rush

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1736081744242053190

More to the ranks.

But what difference will they make without the support of the political of judicial system?

Without the authority or means to actual enforce a thing?

I mean, it's great they're recruiting and boosting numbers, but as a direct extension of the above, we all know the drop-off rates will be massive.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498420#Comment_121498420

The Tories are centre right.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121503459#Comment_121503459

No, you need prisons first to get them off the streets and provide deterrent.

Rehab of offenders comes a long way second to public safety.