Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

Coming off the comments from both minister for justice Helen McEntee and "prime minister equivalent" (can't be bothered typing the Irish word) Michael Martin claiming "Dublin is a safe city".

First attack last Wednesday on Talbot St.

This attack taking place in Temple Bar.

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1683530726199705617?s=20

The government attitude to law enforcement is proving particularly stubborn in evolving with the times.

Despite a supposed new station open on O'Connell St (which they were basically sandbagged into by Fran McNulty of RTE Primetime), and claims of modifications in the police force and even bringing in an external commissioner - there's been no real changes in urban policing, in Dublin or any other city I've been.

Radical reform, at this stage it would be fair enough to say, is in order.

What exactly is the hesitancy?

Is it the RUC's reputation from years ago whilst they were sanctioned to carry fire arms and other weapons, avoiding a repeat of that?

Threadbans:

Yurt2

fritzelly

And the other one on Jervis St last night

Gardaí rush to scene of assault near Luas stop after week of terror in Dublin - Irish Mirror Online

Mullaghteelin

Hopefully our politicians aren't being influenced by their political role models in the US. Shoplifting becoming a non-arrestable offence is just what Dublin City centre needs.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058306430/another-citizen-hospitalized-after-unprovoked-attack-in-dublin-city-center

Where does the article say she is a citizen?

The attitude to law enforcement in this country is an embarrassing disgrace. We need more officers on the street. They should be better equipped and better paid.

Judges in this country prefer leniency than actual punishment. Some people don't change. They will always remain a threat and should be jailed for even the slightest crime.

Until this country becomes tough on crime, don't expect things to change.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896029#Comment_120896029

Does it matter??

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896029#Comment_120896029

What an odd question?

If she hasn't an Irish passport we shouldn't care?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896073#Comment_120896073

According to the thread title it's part of the story????

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896099#Comment_120896099

I would be inclined to agree, so why is it in the thread title with no evidence either way

ZookeeperDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896051#Comment_120896051

It's not the "attitude of law enforcement" that is the issue. They are massively underfunded. When they go out and do their job by trying to stop a group of thugs robbing and beating up old people, they get taken to court and could be put in jail

They have people constantly giving them abuse, they try to do anything and you have 20 plonkers standing with cameras to complain about them.

The problem is not with law enforcement, the problem lies squarely with the Irish public.

I seen a tiktok video the other day of a group of young men/women/children attacking two Gardai in Dublin, about 20-30 of them, one of the Gardai got hit on head with something and ran off, the other had to do the same. As well as the people in the video thinking this was great was all the comments from people.

You need to start looking at the general public instead of the people trying to hold back the Tsunami.

Mrs OBumble

She's a citizen of somewhere.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896114#Comment_120896114

A citizen of the Dublin city center according to the title

ebbsy

The other week I got off the bus at Bachelors Walk and by the time I had crossed to my destination on O Connell Street 3 scumbags had asked me for money.

Justice Minister has been caught out big time here. The place is dirt and she needs to admit it to restore credibility.

Potential-Monke

You get awful picky over the smallest things. It doesn't matter, someone else was assaulted in a string of similar assaults recently, that's all that matters. Christ...

rapidash has it right, a tougher approach to crime is needed, but the minister for injustice wants to pass legislation to make thinking a crime* so not a hope of a heavier hand being considered.

*Overheal: don't take that literally.

Atlantic Dawn

It's a shame you know the nationality, race and sexuality of the victims of attacks in Dublin City by where the story appears on RTÉ, no mention of it at all, sez it all really.

Varik

Another man attacked on Jervis street too, serious but not life threatening.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896121#Comment_120896121

That's absurd. And you know it.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896121#Comment_120896121

I know the Dubs have an inflated opinion of themselves, but when did they start giving out citizenship?

Seriously lads, she's a human being. It's irrelevant whether she's on of D4's finest, a cluchie from the bogs, a tourist, a migrant worker or a refugee.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896129#Comment_120896129

Why should it not be taken literally? The dogwhistle confirmation follows:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896133#Comment_120896133

QED

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896141#Comment_120896141

Nope, see above.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896149#Comment_120896149

I would be inclined to agree, but again, for some reason it's been included as a dog whistle in the OP's thread title and picked up on by other users as such.

tabby aspreme

There was a high level meeting on policing in the city yesterday afternoon, attended by an Assistant Commissioner, politicians and other interested parties, SF councillor Dathi Dowling was interviewed afterwards and his biggest concern was the violence coming from the far right protest's, he wouldn't dare criticise the scum who are carrying out these random assaults, nothing is going to change

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896112#Comment_120896112

The problem is not with law enforcement, the problem lies squarely with the Irish public.

No my friend.

The problem is with the Irish government.

Namely in this instance, the problem is with Helen McEntee.

How on Gods green earth she was appointment justice minister, defeats rhyme or reason.

That being said I honestly don't think both her predecessors were really any better (Flanagan, Fitzgerald).

And no one else jumps out at me as having more competent potential leadership.

But dear Lawd, a modern and progressive, non archaic "happy go lucky" attitude toward law/justice needs to come into effect.

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Would it be possible to recruit an out of state politician for the position?

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PS - do you have a link for that tiktok video?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896172#Comment_120896172

Another Dublin city councillor was interviewed on VMTV.

Same speel about "it's everyone's fault but law enforcement, so many other things need to change" etc etc.

She spoke with a thick Dublin accent and clearly advocates conventional Dublin culture.

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Which is why a competent politician who can rise above the conventional crap and the "don't rock the boat" mob, is required to implement change.

And that person is definitely not Helen McEntee.

Danzy

People being hospitalized in random attacks is not unusual in Dublin.

Dr Turk Turkelton

We can all rest easy now as the hero we didn't want had come to "save" another thread from going down the sh1tter.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896149#Comment_120896149

I'd wager a hefty wedge that if it was a drug addict homeless person the vast majority wouldn't care.

Strumms

People will just avoid the city. They will basically rock up to their nearest Blanchardstown, Liffey Valley, Pavilions etc…. And do the balance online… Under a roof, there is less chance of anything happening as it’s all controlled on cctv and the urchins need to be physically allowed in and allowed out…. You just don’t see urchins inside shopping centres as a rule or if you do, they generally are not up to much in the way of disagreeable / aggressive or violent intimidatory behaviour…. Shopping Centre’s are private property they call the shots.

if we are being honest it’s a long time since Dublin City has felt safe.

we no longer have a political/criminal justice system fit for purpose and facilitating the safety and the wellbeing and welfare of citizens… it’s not a priority… put someone in front of a judge now…

1. mental heath issues
2. drug issues
3. family issues

All that swallowed and suspended sentences for serious assaults, barely there tokenistic jail sentencing for manslaughter now ffs….

As I’ve said before my thing at a concert / gig is to taxi it back to the local from outside…. Different times, different vibes… political classes and people have well and truly sold this country, it’s law abiding decent citizens and our welfare down the river.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896390#Comment_120896390

Would you attribute these well outlined issues to, in a single phrase, "incompetent leadership"?

I would.

My two cents.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896112#Comment_120896112

They have people constantly giving them abuse, they try to do anything and you have 20 plonkers standing with cameras to complain about them.

That may well be the case.

But why do youth feel enabled to behave in the way some do?

Lock them the hell up.

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896298#Comment_120896298

I'd wager the vast majority don't actually care about the victim unless they know them. But we do care about the issue this presents, ie: another assault in daytime leaving someone messed up. And yes, if it turns out they deserved it, I'd probably take that side then because I hold people responsible for their own actions regardless. It's another example of the the issue being daytime serious assults because the perpetrators have no fear of the law or courts.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896606#Comment_120896606

Did you mean to say, "lock them the hell up"?

lol

But really, ever see how police operate in continental cities? (one I can comment on is Amsterdam)

Get youth culture behaving over there as they do in Dublin?

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The very thought of it is laughable.

I believe that would be a powerful deterrent against the persistent anti-social behaviour around Irish towns/cities.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896615#Comment_120896615

if it turns out they deserved it

Wut?

Who "deserves" to be violently assaulted by a hoard of Dublin scrotes?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896636#Comment_120896636

That attitude is part of the problem; the "nothing can be done so just accept threats exist" attitude. You could almost call it the vanilla FG/FF political attitude to this problem.

No, I say let's have tougher sentences. Let's actually lock people up, and let's have more officers on the streets to tackle any extant threats. Many, many officers who will actually have power and will be respected.

None of this excuse making that makes the problem worse.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896029#Comment_120896029

Coming over here and taking our jobs and our wimmin and assault headlines and acting like they feckin own the place

But it's an embarrassment at this stage for these things to be happening so regularly

Potential-Monke

Someone who sells heroin or coke to kids. A pedo. A murderer. Those who knowingly sexually assault others. Those involved in the human traffic trade. Those involved in the illegal prostitution pimp trade. I could go on...

I'm not condoning it, I just wouldn't lose any sleep over any of the above, and certain others, having seven shaydes of shyte bet out of them. Noty saying this is the case here. We don't know. Just saying in general, I've no issue with people who commit certain crimes getting what they deserve (imo). We've been trying the softly softly approach, it's not working.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896255#Comment_120896255

Your right it's been happening a couple of times a week for many years now (apart from Covid times maybe).

The microscope is justing being shone on it because of the attack on the American tourist and the Govt are terrified of looking inactive if he passes.

Control swathes of DCC was lost to the feral many years ago.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896654#Comment_120896654

We're in agreement.

Improved sentencing for the pathological offenders.

In conjunction with improved "deterrent" live police work in the streets.

Ireland just got 100% better (in theory..... if that ever happens).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896677#Comment_120896677

Control swathes of DCC was lost to the feral many years ago.

Does this mean the "feral" attained positions in DCC?

Cause that would explain a whole lot of issues being left unaddressed.

screamer

It’s awful that anyone is attacked, and whoever did that deserves to face tough justice, but the outrage amongst politicians is so much why? Because he’s American? That is what makes me really fed up with Ireland, they should be outraged regardless of the victims citizenship but nah ah…..

antways I really do think we’re living through a period of “not paid enough to give a f@@k” jobs that were traditionally important, commanding respect and a good pay packet are now underpaid and thankless. I think that’s why blind eyes are turned, easier to go give a few speeding fines to plebs that fear the law than tackle crime amongst scrotes who don’t give a flying f@@k about the law.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896660#Comment_120896660

Alas, reality doesn't work like that.

Those groups you mentioned, typically operate in organized crime circles and are therein afforded strength and protection.

Those who suffer random beatings, are typically isolated, vulnerable, weak.

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Nature works like that.

It targets the weak.

i.e. you can rest assured those being targeted by Dublin-scrotes are none of those who would be deserving of such a fate.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896706#Comment_120896706

What you've described is more a mentality or ethos.

Pay?

I don't buy it. Could they be paid better? Who couldn't?

The policy is not in place to either allow or incentivize proper police work.

As a culture, we're stunted.

I know we're seen internationally as "happy go lucky" and "great craic", but that's just a total charade.

The reality is we lack a progressive thought framework.

In this instance, it only matters at the top. The government, justice department.

Leadership therein.

IMO, fix that, everything else will at least begin to fall in line.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896723#Comment_120896723

Wholly agree, we are absolutely diabolical at Governance of the country. Very poorly designed systems, never accountability. Always reactive and never proactive. "Ah sure it's grand" is a real thing.

Ah sure it's grand the children's hospital is €1.4bn over budget... Etc

Every Government Department is the equivalent of a **** failed state bar maybe Dept of Finance who don't seem keen to spend at all.

I've often thought, it's by sheer luck the country is successful as it is. That's not going to last forever though, in fact the regression is well underway.

Fox Tail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896390#Comment_120896390

I have noticed the contrast here also. Between city centre and the suburban shopping centres.

Because the suburban centres are managed as one business entity and have security & far fewer access points than the city centre, you have no homeless, no junkies and any whiff of physical trouble is very rare.

Its a much more pleasant experience as a shopper basically - vs being in the city centre.

Makes me wonder if we will see the day where the city centre will have areas cordoned for shopping/nightlife that have security at the entry points. Same logic as you have when there are festivals etc.

Basically the junkies, beggars, groups of knackers dont get in and are blocked by security.

You could do it pretty easily with somewhere like Temple Bar if you closed some access points.

It shouldnt ever need to be that way, of course. But if we carry on down the lawless road, it will have to be that way, othetwise people will just stop shopping/socialisng in town altogether.

If i were a bar or restaurant owner in Temple Bar, i'd be happy enough for all businesses to chip in to pay for the security at the access points, in addition to the bouncers already working the pubs.

I have also noticed that the Dublin villages tend to be much busier now than they used to be at night.

You can have a good night out without having to run the gauntlet of knackers, junkies and beggars that blight the city centre.

So much nicer experience and a lot of people must be thinking the same, judging by the number of people out and the later openings of bars in the villages, which suggests the trade is booming.

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896180#Comment_120896180

I think you will find that the problem lies with the low lifespan's carrying out these attacks, they are the root cause of the issue and people blaming others only feeds into their mentality of it not being their fault.

Are others at fault for not doing more, definitely, but that in no way excuses the people being **** attacking other people, do gooders tell them that they are victims so they excuse all their actions because "victim"

joseywhales

Can we not just mount one scumbags body on a spike over the liffey each week until they cop on?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896883#Comment_120896883

There has been lots of cars robbed at the shopping centres. All is not well there either.

The US embassy has issued a warning notice to its citizens about safety on the streets of Dublin. It's been along time coming tbh, 15 years of absolute pig ignorance on the decline of the City.

In a way I'm happy as finally something might actually get done now. It's a situation I view as very solvable with some work. That warning carries weight.

DownByTheGarden

I stopped reading yesterday when I read that Leo said that people shouldnt avoid certain streets because of fear of getting assaulted.

But he has a point.

What people should do is phone the Gardai BEFORE they go out and ask the which street are they protecting tonight. And only go to that street. Probably be Kildare street every night, so that street will be busy.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897071#Comment_120897071

Ah heeor, all de marks are in Kildare Street Boyz n I haven't gotten me methadone today n all.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896615#Comment_120896615

How do you know a drug addict or homeless person "deserved it"?

TheProudHighway

There was no shortage of Guards out and about when they were stopping people going for walks on their own on beaches during Covid. Where are they all now?

riddles

If you draw a circle around the north inner city how many people between 14-24 are not in education in any meaningful way or educational training or college? That in itself is a starting point at framing the problem. Loitering and generally idle hands type of thing lead to lawlessness and the legal system in its current format fails to deter. Is there a city in Europe that has more socially housed people next to its main thoroughfare and economically most expensive part of the country. People commuting up at all hours to get into work and down the road punters with front and back garden houses who’ve never lifted a finger work wise in their lives.

The justice department and legal system is like all the government departments utterly dysfunctional and under perma paralysis of inaction. There is no political mandate for change so we get what we have.

we want more social and affordable housing but no one addresses the continual non payment of rent in current council provided accommodation. Huge cost of collection there. Massive arrears in affordable housing again big cost of collection usually by staff with little or no training. Inconsistent models in above in every local authority.

Utter fiasco of border control and administration of social welfare budget. I could go on but the clocks ticking on the chaos with vanishing tax payers ratio will go 5-1 to 2-1 that’s when we will see the economics of the fairy tree where everything is free to be truly tested and hopefully it works.

The legal system fails to deter crime when there is a perception of low likelihood of getting caught and punished. This may occur due to inadequate law enforcement resources or inefficiencies in the judicial process, leading to delayed or inconsistent consequences.

Lenient or disproportionate punishments can weaken the deterrent effect, as well as cultural acceptance or normalisation of certain crimes. Moreover, socio-economic disparities and limited access to education and opportunities can contribute to a sense of hopelessness and lead individuals to turn to criminal behavior despite potential legal repercussions.