Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896615#Comment_120896615

if it turns out they deserved it

Wut?

Who "deserves" to be violently assaulted by a hoard of Dublin scrotes?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896636#Comment_120896636

That attitude is part of the problem; the "nothing can be done so just accept threats exist" attitude. You could almost call it the vanilla FG/FF political attitude to this problem.

No, I say let's have tougher sentences. Let's actually lock people up, and let's have more officers on the streets to tackle any extant threats. Many, many officers who will actually have power and will be respected.

None of this excuse making that makes the problem worse.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896029#Comment_120896029

Coming over here and taking our jobs and our wimmin and assault headlines and acting like they feckin own the place

But it's an embarrassment at this stage for these things to be happening so regularly

Potential-Monke

Someone who sells heroin or coke to kids. A pedo. A murderer. Those who knowingly sexually assault others. Those involved in the human traffic trade. Those involved in the illegal prostitution pimp trade. I could go on...

I'm not condoning it, I just wouldn't lose any sleep over any of the above, and certain others, having seven shaydes of shyte bet out of them. Noty saying this is the case here. We don't know. Just saying in general, I've no issue with people who commit certain crimes getting what they deserve (imo). We've been trying the softly softly approach, it's not working.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896255#Comment_120896255

Your right it's been happening a couple of times a week for many years now (apart from Covid times maybe).

The microscope is justing being shone on it because of the attack on the American tourist and the Govt are terrified of looking inactive if he passes.

Control swathes of DCC was lost to the feral many years ago.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896654#Comment_120896654

We're in agreement.

Improved sentencing for the pathological offenders.

In conjunction with improved "deterrent" live police work in the streets.

Ireland just got 100% better (in theory..... if that ever happens).

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896677#Comment_120896677

Control swathes of DCC was lost to the feral many years ago.

Does this mean the "feral" attained positions in DCC?

Cause that would explain a whole lot of issues being left unaddressed.

screamer

It’s awful that anyone is attacked, and whoever did that deserves to face tough justice, but the outrage amongst politicians is so much why? Because he’s American? That is what makes me really fed up with Ireland, they should be outraged regardless of the victims citizenship but nah ah…..

antways I really do think we’re living through a period of “not paid enough to give a f@@k” jobs that were traditionally important, commanding respect and a good pay packet are now underpaid and thankless. I think that’s why blind eyes are turned, easier to go give a few speeding fines to plebs that fear the law than tackle crime amongst scrotes who don’t give a flying f@@k about the law.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896660#Comment_120896660

Alas, reality doesn't work like that.

Those groups you mentioned, typically operate in organized crime circles and are therein afforded strength and protection.

Those who suffer random beatings, are typically isolated, vulnerable, weak.

......

Nature works like that.

It targets the weak.

i.e. you can rest assured those being targeted by Dublin-scrotes are none of those who would be deserving of such a fate.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896706#Comment_120896706

What you've described is more a mentality or ethos.

Pay?

I don't buy it. Could they be paid better? Who couldn't?

The policy is not in place to either allow or incentivize proper police work.

As a culture, we're stunted.

I know we're seen internationally as "happy go lucky" and "great craic", but that's just a total charade.

The reality is we lack a progressive thought framework.

In this instance, it only matters at the top. The government, justice department.

Leadership therein.

IMO, fix that, everything else will at least begin to fall in line.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896723#Comment_120896723

Wholly agree, we are absolutely diabolical at Governance of the country. Very poorly designed systems, never accountability. Always reactive and never proactive. "Ah sure it's grand" is a real thing.

Ah sure it's grand the children's hospital is €1.4bn over budget... Etc

Every Government Department is the equivalent of a **** failed state bar maybe Dept of Finance who don't seem keen to spend at all.

I've often thought, it's by sheer luck the country is successful as it is. That's not going to last forever though, in fact the regression is well underway.

Fox Tail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896390#Comment_120896390

I have noticed the contrast here also. Between city centre and the suburban shopping centres.

Because the suburban centres are managed as one business entity and have security & far fewer access points than the city centre, you have no homeless, no junkies and any whiff of physical trouble is very rare.

Its a much more pleasant experience as a shopper basically - vs being in the city centre.

Makes me wonder if we will see the day where the city centre will have areas cordoned for shopping/nightlife that have security at the entry points. Same logic as you have when there are festivals etc.

Basically the junkies, beggars, groups of knackers dont get in and are blocked by security.

You could do it pretty easily with somewhere like Temple Bar if you closed some access points.

It shouldnt ever need to be that way, of course. But if we carry on down the lawless road, it will have to be that way, othetwise people will just stop shopping/socialisng in town altogether.

If i were a bar or restaurant owner in Temple Bar, i'd be happy enough for all businesses to chip in to pay for the security at the access points, in addition to the bouncers already working the pubs.

I have also noticed that the Dublin villages tend to be much busier now than they used to be at night.

You can have a good night out without having to run the gauntlet of knackers, junkies and beggars that blight the city centre.

So much nicer experience and a lot of people must be thinking the same, judging by the number of people out and the later openings of bars in the villages, which suggests the trade is booming.

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896180#Comment_120896180

I think you will find that the problem lies with the low lifespan's carrying out these attacks, they are the root cause of the issue and people blaming others only feeds into their mentality of it not being their fault.

Are others at fault for not doing more, definitely, but that in no way excuses the people being **** attacking other people, do gooders tell them that they are victims so they excuse all their actions because "victim"

joseywhales

Can we not just mount one scumbags body on a spike over the liffey each week until they cop on?

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896883#Comment_120896883

There has been lots of cars robbed at the shopping centres. All is not well there either.

The US embassy has issued a warning notice to its citizens about safety on the streets of Dublin. It's been along time coming tbh, 15 years of absolute pig ignorance on the decline of the City.

In a way I'm happy as finally something might actually get done now. It's a situation I view as very solvable with some work. That warning carries weight.

DownByTheGarden

I stopped reading yesterday when I read that Leo said that people shouldnt avoid certain streets because of fear of getting assaulted.

But he has a point.

What people should do is phone the Gardai BEFORE they go out and ask the which street are they protecting tonight. And only go to that street. Probably be Kildare street every night, so that street will be busy.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897071#Comment_120897071

Ah heeor, all de marks are in Kildare Street Boyz n I haven't gotten me methadone today n all.

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896615#Comment_120896615

How do you know a drug addict or homeless person "deserved it"?

TheProudHighway

There was no shortage of Guards out and about when they were stopping people going for walks on their own on beaches during Covid. Where are they all now?

riddles

If you draw a circle around the north inner city how many people between 14-24 are not in education in any meaningful way or educational training or college? That in itself is a starting point at framing the problem. Loitering and generally idle hands type of thing lead to lawlessness and the legal system in its current format fails to deter. Is there a city in Europe that has more socially housed people next to its main thoroughfare and economically most expensive part of the country. People commuting up at all hours to get into work and down the road punters with front and back garden houses who’ve never lifted a finger work wise in their lives.

The justice department and legal system is like all the government departments utterly dysfunctional and under perma paralysis of inaction. There is no political mandate for change so we get what we have.

we want more social and affordable housing but no one addresses the continual non payment of rent in current council provided accommodation. Huge cost of collection there. Massive arrears in affordable housing again big cost of collection usually by staff with little or no training. Inconsistent models in above in every local authority.

Utter fiasco of border control and administration of social welfare budget. I could go on but the clocks ticking on the chaos with vanishing tax payers ratio will go 5-1 to 2-1 that’s when we will see the economics of the fairy tree where everything is free to be truly tested and hopefully it works.

The legal system fails to deter crime when there is a perception of low likelihood of getting caught and punished. This may occur due to inadequate law enforcement resources or inefficiencies in the judicial process, leading to delayed or inconsistent consequences.

Lenient or disproportionate punishments can weaken the deterrent effect, as well as cultural acceptance or normalisation of certain crimes. Moreover, socio-economic disparities and limited access to education and opportunities can contribute to a sense of hopelessness and lead individuals to turn to criminal behavior despite potential legal repercussions.

hotmail.com

Why hasn't the Irish Embassy issued travel advice about America given the amount of gun crime and obesity there?

screamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896723#Comment_120896723

It’s not just in the Gardai it’s everywhere, you can’t get good workers. They’ll do a bare minimum and expect the absolute maximum, and you see it in every workforce the work ethic is just not there, and it’s not just an Irish phenomenon either. I don’t think there is a fixing it tbh. So, what’s easiest are the tasks done and overdone but anything more difficult, more strenuous or more dangerous, that’s above their pay grade. I’ve heard it all. i will say it’s not everyone, but there’s a culture out there, and it’s even in the government, playing to the woke gallery and not doing the tough stuff, and I rest my case with that.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897142#Comment_120897142

Covid? When there was literally nothing else happening anywhere? What do you think might be different now, to lockdown......

bartkingcole

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897142#Comment_120897142

That was easy. The usual law abiding citizens were the ones doing these dangerous activities plus shopping or exercising within 2/5km/within their county, checking that people were isolating post trips abroad etc. Dealing with self entitled and dangerous thugs is a different matter and they are doing this without resources and a court system which can be way too lenient against serial offenders.

I am not convinced that Gardai should be armed but at least give them the tools to do their jobs better e.g. stun guns, and probably not a good look for the State to prosecute a Garda for pursuing criminals down a motorway - they should have received medals.

bartkingcole

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897535#Comment_120897535

What would be the advice on obesity?

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897775#Comment_120897775

Scandalous that Garda has been charged.

Chris_5339762

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896112#Comment_120896112

When officers have to run away because of an attack by youths throwing things, that is called a "riot". Send in the riot police and arrest the lost of them. Tear gas and batons required if necessary. Public affray to anyone not respecting the police or resisting arrest and a €2k fine.

Reduce the age of criminal consent to 12 or 13. They know exactly what they're doing at that age. We need to come down extremely hard on this low-level thuggery and scumbagism in Ireland in general.

joseywhales

The issue is clearly the resources and legal quandaries of delivering justice when a swift baton to the face and a broken nose is a far cheaper and effective deterrent but we couldn't allow that for fear 5% of the broken noses would be unjust.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897535#Comment_120897535

The warning is correct walk the streets of Dublin and feral youth may murder you and dance all over your head.

What is disturbing is our Government tell us it's safe.

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898032#Comment_120898032

Our government is more concerned about the safety of Kiev than of Dublin. They care so little about Ireland, they don't even know what's going on here