Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

Cluedo Monopoly

I am glad they are actually warning tourists now. Dublin has been going downhill for many years but tourists are completely naive to that. Successive governments have dropped the ball here and it will be very difficult to fix.

Rambo will be along now to tell us it's the tourists fault.

buried

Yeah, and in another 3 years time the excuse will be that the covid dramatics ended last year.

beastfromtheEast

Those who are trying to seriously injure or kill people for fun should face deadly force and in many countries they would.

Police should never have to runaway.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922895#Comment_120922895

“Through those gruelling lockdowns, all of their safe spaces were removed."

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922988#Comment_120922988

At minimum a good observation might be that many young people need, and usually lack, a third space or reliable access to one. The street ends up being their third place (which, happens a lot in Ireland, go play outside usually ends up being go play in the street of the estate etc. and then on), and eventually pubs and bars (the site of OP attack).

Gatling

Maybe we should be looking at America for answers, bigger prisons, longer mandatory sentencing,and and give the Gardai the tools to deal with the dregs of society who can't or don't want to live in a civilized society

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922901#Comment_120922901

Am I the only person who hasnt been killed at least 20 times in Dublin?

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120917583#Comment_120917583

Striking a balance - I think there is actually a good point in here. Make 6 months national service a requirement for all citizens going forward. At least these scrotes might learn some discipline.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120918693#Comment_120918693

Blank canvas, Rome wasn't built in a day. Dublin infrastructure wise is a spent force. Can't see metro North ever being built with all the challenges it seems to throw up. It's very hard for it to kick onwards. We are a tiny country comparatively speaking, we now have a good motorway network. It could be almost a central axis. Google, Microsoft et Al have a huge chunk of remote workers these days, I don't believe that's a major issue anymore.

Look at the likes of Canberra, The Hague, Brasilia. Smaller capitals outside the main cities. Relocate administration centres and the rest will follow over time taking some of the pressure off Dublin.

We can't keep loading onto Dublin - as it stands it is very far from attractive for international youth due to the accommodation shortages.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120922654#Comment_120922654

Google and Meta alone have more staff in Dublin than Longford has people lol.

I would be curious as to how many of those employees are Irish, and how many were brought in along with the firms.

I simply don't buy into the idea "youth want to live in Dublin".

They clearly don't.

Like anyone, a good residence and being close to work are far more attractive than some notion of living in the "big smoke".

Not to mention, the kind of revenue said companies have and provision for their employees they invest in, one would be confident they and the government could cater to whatever additional proximal needs are required, be it housing, social, sport facilities etc.

Fox Tail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923212#Comment_120923212

youre quoting small towns as an alternative to Dublin though.

Not a chance.

Galway, Cork or Limerick are semi viable, but Dublin is still where the young with money want to be.

Fox Tail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923316#Comment_120923316

Many arent irish, of course. Thats part of the Dublin charm. Buzz of the bars full of spanish, french. italians etc.

I think youre looking at it from the wrong angle.

If youre a 20 something on 140k a year, which is the average Google salary, you dont have a problem paying to live in Dublin.

If you can easily afford it and youre that age and want to socialise, why would you not want to be in Dublin?

It's a no brainer.

The housing costs you refer to arent a barrier for those people, so they can afford to live near work, in nice areas and with the best of the nations entertainment, shopping, theatre, sport, restaurants, exhibitions, music, comedy, social events and groups, beaches, mountains and nightlife on their doorstep.

You get what you pay for and Dublin is expensive for a reason. If you can afford it, its the best place in the country by far.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923092#Comment_120923092

What they lack is proper education and role models in their families. And when they will have children of their own same thing will happen unless the state steps in and breaks this vicious circle.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923092#Comment_120923092

Dublin people have more space than ever. Until the tenements were cleared in the last century, a large family would share two rooms in an almost derelict Georgian house.

Now large families are very rare, and it’s the norm for people, including in what we’re “working class” areas to have their own bedroom. The houses which replaced the tenements have their own gardens. The apartments which replaced them have open spaces (unlike most privately rented apartments).

These areas tend to more public ally funded “community centres” and similar facilities. Going into the city centre looking for fun and trouble has always had an appeal for badly raised kids. But in recent years they’ve been pushing against the societal boundaries of acceptable behaviour, and discovering that the boundaries aren’t really there anymore.

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923112#Comment_120923112

Yeah let's aim to be like America 🤣

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924249#Comment_120924249

We've failed at everything else .

Adrift

America as a rule of thumb is not to be used as any type of role model but when it comes to justice they largely make the punishment fit the crime. Lengthy sentences, Capital Punishment and The ability for the victims to read out their own impact statements in court. None of which exist in Ireland.

Is it any more of a deterrent? Probably not but at the very least the victims largely feel justice has been served.

The filth that assaulted that American tourist will probably get 12-18 months in oberstown. With half suspended for good behaviour. Sure one of our brilliant judges has already approved a sleepover for one of them. Let that sink in, a sleepover.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924610#Comment_120924610

The attackers will serve a few months at the most and have nothing to fear from the court and they know it.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120918734#Comment_120918734

When Brunker was in Finglas it was a 10 minute walk to see dairy cows, remember her on TV talking about going with friends picking blackberries.

Chalk and cheese difference.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120923112#Comment_120923112

I wouldn't be looking towards the madness that is the US, but how about some of our closer European peers? I could see French and Spanish police battering the likes of this scum off the streets.

Spanish Eyes

I well remember a trip to Italy not too long ago. Of course we went to see the tower at Pisa. Now Pisa is a provincial town, not much other than the tower itself. Anyway on the plaza at the tower, I was amazed to see not one, not two, but THREE sets of Carabinieri. One lot on foot, one lot in patrol cars, and one static post where those in any bother could get assistance. It was low key, but it was there for all to see. Those police take no prisoners either.

The place was heaving, but there was not one scrap of trouble. That's the way to do it. VISIBLY. I couldn't help compare it to Dublin, where a foot patrol is a very rare sight, not to mention any other sort of visible presence. I wish there was something like this. The type of visible policing I saw in Italy is replicated all over the Continent. I am sure many of you have seen it. Why not here?

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924843#Comment_120924843

I was over in Portugal a few months ago and the size of the batons the police were walking around Lisbon with were something else, looked more like a sword. Definitely would not want to **** with them or start causing any trouble.

Like the above, there were loads of them around too.

growleaves

On all-Ireland final day just gone a friend of mine saw a gang on Pearse Street fighting with metal bars.

Unfortunately you'll never put these people back in their box because everyone now knows the courts are not interested in serious punishment for violent juveniles.

Since society is controlled by liberal intellectuals who believe, or say they believe, that criminals are the victims of economic circumstances you will never bring back a law and order/punishment status quo imo.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924700#Comment_120924700

We do not have an authoritative police force like they have in Euro countries though. You just don't f**k with police in those countries. On the other hand they don't really make scumbag kids like Irish ones anywhere else. Our police just look pathetic, even their ridiculous uniforms. The police in Germany etc. look like soldiers.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924249#Comment_120924249

Actually there are 2 american ways of dealing with criminals: one using compassion and another using prison and bullets. We are already copying the former, with similar results.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924843#Comment_120924843

The current policing model, as implemented by the commissioner has taken uniform front line members away from the public. More smaller specialised units and basically no community policing. If you think Dublin is bad, there's not a guard to be seen for hundreds of kilometres in the country. Travelling criminals have a free for all.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924610#Comment_120924610

The problem though is that justice is a broad concept. Too many people fantasise over the brutalisation (and indeed, killing) of criminals out of a notion that it is justice being served — but justice is also about doing what is best for society. It might seem fitting to some that criminals are subject to summary violent beatings by police, or public hangings are brought back, or juvenile delinquents are tossed into the darkest holes of some prison and that'll learn 'em. The fact is that you might feel justice is being served, but if the result is a general worsening of society, then I'm not sure that this is really justice — but simply retribution.

The American system is tougher. Police are tougher and more willing to use force, including deadly force. American prisons can be fairly hellish places and it is often the case that people are incarcerated in these prisons long before they are even put on trial.

The end result? America remains, by Irish standards, an almost infinitely more violent country. Their societal propensity towards 'vengeance' rather than justice might seem attractive, but is something that can infect society. Their reaction to 9/11 is almost a perfect microcosm of it all — a sorry tale of what happens when people confuse vengeance for justice, and instead of achieving justice you make everything worse for everyone.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924690#Comment_120924690

No chalk and cheese difference at all. Here’s Finglas in the early 80s, before the explosion in drugs and gangland crime all over Dublin, and all over Ireland, including rural Ireland:

https://youtu.be/VfcJKviJKY0

Starts at 5 minutes in, it’s in four separate parts of about 10 minutes in length. 11 year olds robbing cars, mass unemployment, poverty, poor education and housing that wasn’t worth a shìt, expected to keep the underclass separated from the more civilised sections of society. It was predicted at the time that it wouldn’t solve anything; not only did it not solve anything, it only made everything worse.

Sure you can find people who have great memories of the past and people who made something of themselves in spite of growing up surrounded by shìt, but for the most part, most of the people who grew up there either became part of it, or drowned in it.

Sure, while you could walk ten minutes and see dairy cows, at the same time you couldn’t walk two steps before having to try and avoid horseshìt either! 😒

I get your point, but nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925404#Comment_120925404

I don't know how old Amanda Brunker is, but when my Dad was growing up in Finglas you could actually just walk around the corner and there'd be farms and cows and what have you. Even I remember walking up the Jamestown road a long time ago and it was like being in the countryside. It was a nice place to grow up by the sounds of things.

The West and South have always been pretty deprived and rough since their inception though, my Dad is from beside the village.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925659#Comment_120925659

She’s 49, born in 1974.