Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025111#Comment_122025111

They literally went from left liberal towards a more right wing government directly as a result of their failed immigration policies and the massive increase in crime/gang violence in areas they flooded with refugees. Even the ministers of the previous left wing government have said they made a mess of it. But keep championing the good cause (narrative - lol)!

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025111#Comment_122025111

Stephen Collins wrote a good article in the Irish Times a few months ago suggesting that a considerable swathe of Irish people think they are living in an absolute hellhole and one of the worst countries in the developed world. He blames the relentless negativity on social media and thinks Sinn Fein and others haven't helped with their constant negative vibe - it wouldn't take a huge effort to convince such people that immigration is the source of all their problems.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024578#Comment_122024578

I know the word snowflake gets tossed around a lot these days, but the things you are talking about here and equating them to the country being "destroyed" — well — it's hard not to at least question whether you've picked up any history books recently or spent much time outside the first world.

Waiting list issues in hospitals, infrastructural deficiencies making your commute go from 20 to 40 minutes ... these are very much developed country issues. It's not to take away from them — issues with the quality and timeliness of healthcare cause suffering and grief in this country. But two things can be true at once, you can acknowledge those problems and want to fix them without delving into the theatrics of pretending that we don't have it better than potentially billions of people around the world.

Personally speaking, I go to bed at night grateful to have won the lottery of being born in a country where there is peace, opportunity and a functioning state — not to mention the relative freedom of being able to travel and work globally if I really wanted to. But yeah, it takes you 20 minutes more these days to get to work so I guess it's time to panic.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025148#Comment_122025148

But sorry what is that supposed to prove to me here? Countries go from left to right, and back again, pretty much all the time — we just aren't used to it here because our politics divided along Civil War lines. Elsewhere across Europe and the world, elections have been a pendulum between socialism and capitalism, conservatism and liberalism for a long, long time. In some countries it swings a bit further, in other countries the left / right divide is pretty small. And it's not necessarily ideology that drives that — it just often tends to be that once one "side" is in power for a while, they naturally become the scapegoat (fairly or unfairly) for people's disgruntlement and the other side has the advantage of being able to capitalise on that. Other side takes power and then eventually they become the target (watch this happen with Sinn Fein when their time comes).

The Right takes the ascendancy in Sweden and this is somehow, I think, supposed to prove to me that immigration has destroyed Sweden? Well, when, the pendulum swings back to the Left, as it will, will you accept that this means immigration has been a massive flawless success in Sweden? Of course you won't, and you'd be right not to, because it wouldn't mean that.

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025183#Comment_122025183

It's a fair point in some ways. This morning on the radio I heard a fella say that young adults now would be the first generation to be worse off than their parents. It's the kind of claim that is always made, regardless of whatever happens in society. While there is a huge housing issue now, there is also full employment, way longer life expectancy than was once the case and a shorter working week.

All that said it is a nonsense to try and claim that immigration isn't a major issue and to say that the amount of people who arrived over the last 20 years is not the main reason for the current housing crisis.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025148#Comment_122025148

We've probably been left liberal on social issues for a while now but right economically for a very long time.

There's been some populist moves around welfare/personal taxation but you cannot blame our mess on healthcare and housing on the left. It's right wing economic policies that have us in this state. The majority of immigration is also coming from the demands of the market, as much as people like to hyper focus on IPAs.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024578#Comment_122024578

Those appear to be issues that are ongoing in this country as long as I can remember. Clearly a failure in the part of governments. What have any government tried to do to fix any of them? Really?

Perhaps if they did what they are supposed to do, a few foreigners living here wouldnt make much difference.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025368#Comment_122025368

I think would have had a major housing crisis even with zero net immigration for the last decade. The government (for reasons best known to itself) stopped building social housing. Anyone could have told them the Irish population would start to grow rapidly once we came out of the big recession of 2008-15 and yes, that immigrants would start arriving again.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023435#Comment_122023435

Immigration is a irreversible process. They come. They "put down roots" and essentially become unmovable.

With this transformation of society it is essential to get it right.

I know Ireland and Europe are not going to be like the past due to demographics which are becoming harder and harder to reverse. Here I'm talking about the very difficult task of increasing the number of children Irish women have.

It is gross irresponsibility to allow immigration at high pace with no quality control.

We have Sweden as an example.

We know just how wrong it all can go.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025837#Comment_122025837

Fwiw, Irish birth rate is 1.7 per woman which is below replacement. The idea was to have social housing in private developments.

10 years ago it was still unclear if we were going to become a basket case but agree nonetheless, they have not done well over the last ten years as the situation changed.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023863#Comment_122023863

You've misunderstood me. The comment was not aimed at those who have issues with mass uncontrolled immigration, it was in response to a poster who said that some people will run down their fellow countrymen and women while going out of their way to defend migrants

star61

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025837#Comment_122025837

Ireland's national debt is around €220 billion. Coming out of a recession, after Europe came in and took over our accounts and we should have started huge house building projects?? After the debt which we still owe was caused by over exposure to the property market. Most developers didnt even have the money to be able to build big scale developments in 2015 and they were certainly more cautious after what happened, probably still are.

creeper1

In Newton mount Kennedy the guards forced through to clear the entrance I would imagine in preparation for migrants to arrive.

Seen similar scenes in Santry and Roscrea.

Surely at some point they will see the light and attempt to get some kind of control of borders.

This can not go on. 😡

https://youtu.be/HbqA7fzWsq0?si=3lYRtjR1eRdd9srt

Lotus Flower

AGS are now more like personal bodyguards to the state

DeeBill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120667972#Comment_120667972

Hi ya, its only Aerlingus that allows you to do that, but I believe you have to have some ID driving licence etc etc

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122026499#Comment_122026499

I flew to the Uk recently - my passport was not checked out of a midlands airport on the return trip -it was checked In Dublin upon return exit only.

I actually asked the Ryan air staff person at the gate for they want it and they did not!

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122026556#Comment_122026556

Interesting - I flew out of Manchester a week or so back and a mate had lost his and they wouldn't let him past!

He found it in the bar and just made it but that is interesting that Ryanair aren't always asking for it!

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122026495#Comment_122026495

Running the Gardai down I see.

Is there anything you like about modern Ireland?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122026277#Comment_122026277

Yes, that's exactly the times when major construction projects should be undertaken. Low costs, plenty of workers available. Should have done a metro and the children's hospital then.

In the past, when the country had little to nothing is when they built the most social housing projects.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122026590#Comment_122026590

I am trying to think if I was, check in definitely not, security definetly not, there was no auto scan gate or anything like they have in Dublin for flying out.

It wasn’t mancherster I flew out of but another big city airport.

Jinglejangle69

So Roderic hasn’t claimed one cent of a 9.8 billion EU asylum seeker fund Ireland is entitled to claim from.

Meanwhile Donnelly announces he is bringing in €450 million cutbacks in the HSE.

This government…

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003694#Comment_122003694

I think the unknown quantity is how many independents will actually stand when the GE rolls around.

I agree that they will see large support. The more of them that stand, the more likley we will see a true destablising of the govt.

It ia possible that independents will become the second or even the largest party political group.

I think they will come in 3rd, but with enough candidates, anything is possible.

hotmail.com

2,400 homeless asylum seekers now.

gerogerigegege

today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHqUNzt7N-4

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122028350#Comment_122028350

My God.

This is so **** sickening on so many levels.

Imagine spending all that money on economic migrates that shouldn't be in the country and then actually housing them in modular houses which aren't designed to last.

I suppose we know who the government gives priority to and it's certainly not homeless Irish people.

Makes the blood boil.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122027145#Comment_122027145

Yet we had to pay €1.5m for failing to accommodate

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-has-to-pay-eu-15m-for-failing-to-house-350-refugees/a1737941603.html

creeper1

Apparently there's more and more Vietnamese making the channel crossings.

I wonder if they'll start showing up in Ireland as well?

It would make a change from the usual diet of Nigerians.

So many wealthy destinations in Asia such as Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore etc and yet they have to go half way across the world.

Don't forget if they do cross from England we can't be sending them back to England. England is not a safe country you know.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68653368

enricoh

Gript on the money, again! I can see why the refugee industry and it's cheerleaders despise them!

https://gript.ie/on-immigration-the-government-is-openly-at-war-with-its-own-people/

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025239#Comment_122025239

But you choose to ignore the cause of the shift.

You can twist, turn and bury your head in the sand as much as you want - mass migration has never worked out well for the local populations, it wont for Europe and it wont for Ireland.

Even if you were to ignore all the other problems, having welfare states like we have in Europe and mass migration cannot co-exist.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122028886#Comment_122028886

Yes, read it yesterday. Very good and on the money, until people see it with their own eyes they won't believe what this state, the politicians, the department, the gardai, the main stream media are capable of.

Anything and everything to paint protesters in a bad light. Public order unit brought in, rte in tow, while they escort contractors onto site. Truck drivers and contractors wearing balaclavas, ripping number plates off their vehicles, on public roads well before the site.

Emotions running high as it is, made worse by being lied to by people who are supposed to represent us. Of course emotionless gardai, one hand ready to pepper spray peaceful protesters only raises the tension, scuffles occur and rte get their little piece and **** off to tell the nation what the government want them to see. Paul Reynolds believing everything his garda sources tell him.

It would make you sick, and as I said at the start, until the general public see it they won't believe it.