Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 5/1/24*

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172729#Comment_120172729

You got all that from me pointing out that the thread is about a zero refugee policy, not a 'no cap' policy.

Maybe it's because it's impossible to justify a zero refugee policy without coming across as a massive racist

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172689#Comment_120172689

How much is a one bedroom flat in Dublin? 250k? A two bedroom flat maybe 500k? A nice house a million euros?

If you earn 50k euro a year you get 38k a year after tax.

Yeah, if someone on an average salary makes sacrifices they could probably buy a 1 bedroom flat in dublin...

However is that what people want? You work hard at school, go to university, get a job and end up in a one bedroom flat for the rest of your life?

Unless you have family to support you I think the average dub is fairly screwed when it comes to housing..

I'm from Glasgow in Scotland. I could buy an OK 1 bedroom flat for 50k.... a fairly nice 2 bedroom flat might be 100k....

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172729#Comment_120172729

It's honestly amazing that the left still thinks that they are smart ones at the table, when all the have is insults and bad policies

What are you talking about, we have had predominately centre right governance since the inception of the state.

It predominately the left that is in opposition.

So who is this political opposition of the "left" you speak of?

Please be specific.

Xidu

Strange some people think young people bought house themselves are becoz of rich parents!

rich parents are minorities ok. Majority of families are average/ normal.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172756#Comment_120172756

Nowadays it’s irrelevant what colour of jersey the sitting minister is wearing, they are entirely influenced by unelected individuals and bodies

there is not a paper between FG and the Labour Party today on most issues

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172748#Comment_120172748

A zero policy would never be achieved .Poland's prime minister said zero and they have taken in over 1 million Ukrainians .

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172752#Comment_120172752

Complete nonsense, if some approaching their 40s haven't never bothered their hole living independently it's because they chose to, or they are waiting for gubbermint to hand them a forever home.

The idea that you have to have a minted family to live independently is absolute bollíx, it wasn't long ago we were bulldozing houses.

I'm from Glasgow in Scotland

So you are an immigrant yourself, the op won't be pleased.

Akrasia

Yeah.it was the FF PD government that ended the social house building program and tried to get the private sector to build them instead.

To the surprise of absolutely nobody on the left, the private sector did absolutely everything in their power to avoid meeting those requirements and we have gone 15 years with no proper public housing provision. This is the problem, not refugees or 'the left'

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172765#Comment_120172765

Well no, Labour had their shot at governance and blew it.

They allowed the senior partner to bully them out of their election promises.

That is on Labour no one else.

But the question remains?

So who is this political opposition of the "left" you speak of?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172783#Comment_120172783

A more pertinent question is where is the opposition to the left in the Irish parliament?

we are a single ideology state ( progressivism)

Akrasia

A lot of people on here think 'socialism' equals 'social justice warrior' too much Jordon Peterson and not enough proper political philosophy from people who actually know what they're talking about

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172816#Comment_120172816

where is the opposition to the left in the Irish parliament?

In governance and has been since the start of the state. But but but the left. 🙄

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172756#Comment_120172756

The vast majority of the left supports these policies, to deny that is madness.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172831#Comment_120172831

That old chestnut

“ the left have never been in government here “

change the record please , it’s tedious at this stage

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172844#Comment_120172844

All normal functioning political parties "support" core policies.

But again in your own time if could answer.

So who is this political opposition of the "left" you speak of?

Happened to see the re-run of Prime-Time on the 24 hour news channel an hour ago. The minister for integration, Joe o'Brien basically admitted after some bluffing and sidestepping that he has no plan. We are fcuked if the likes of him are in power. Not a scooby do with him. He'll basically do what his european overlords tell him at the end of the day regardless of the catastrophic consequences it has on society here. More cajones on a eunuch.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172748#Comment_120172748

Impossible to justify without being racist? What nonsense. Few are opposing these policies on the grounds of race, most people are opposing them on the grounds of stability and function. With your framing, you're essentially saying that if you don't continue to support these reckless policies, you're a racist. So if you don't want to labelled as one, you should just sit back and watch your nation crumble.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172846#Comment_120172846

It's not my opinion.

But in your own time if you could tell me when we had a predominately left government.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172864#Comment_120172864

The current one for starters

Beechwoodspark

earlier on RTÉ someone quoted a figure of 80k migrants arriving looking for asylum projected for this year - !!!

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172852#Comment_120172852

All normal functioning political parties "support" core policies.

The fact that you think that our political class are normal or functional, really says it all. I'm not getting into a definition game with people who love to twist meaning, as it's pointless. All I'll say is that it's absurd to try and frame our mainstream parties as right wing, especially when it comes to social policies. There's literally not one thing right wing about them, yet people like yourself love to hang on dearly to that narrative, yet at the same time, you sit on boards all day defending these supposedly right wing policies, when we all know that there's nothing right wing about yourself either. Not one person with a lick of sense thinks FG or FF are right wing.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172889#Comment_120172889

Speaking ( and classifying) of FG as a right wing party because they we’re conservative in 1972 is akin to categorising Manchester City as a relatively small football club because that was the case for most of its history

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172709#Comment_120172709

Perhaps you should close your "storefront" account, and you might find you'll be less obsessed about everyone being a big bad racist!?

Or, I don't know, maybe... head on over to the conspiracy theory forum. Really, they should consider setting up a virtue signalling forum where you guys could all hang out and gossip about all the racists you see everywhere!

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172889#Comment_120172889

Again, it's not my opinion, The 2 leading parties since the formation of the state are centre right parties.

What you seem to be yearning for is far right parties, we don't have any. Well one or 2 cosplay Nazis, but no one really takes them seriously.

Trying to sanitise this hateful bunch and pretend they are just actual centre right parties is pretty funny.

The reality is no one who is functioning is falling for it, no one wants to go back to the 70s or 80s apart from the permanently outraged who are very much an insignificant minority.

And anyone who actually remembers those times realises how far we have came from them.

The reality is whatever failings people have in their own lives will not be sorted by voting that sort.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172879#Comment_120172879

Repeating something that isn't true won't make it true.

Unless you are Peter Pan.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172923#Comment_120172923

Oh the irony

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172748#Comment_120172748

Why are you obsessed with race?

Economics101

A lot of media reports on this issue refer to protests being organised by the "far right". What is "far right"?

I think that simply questioning asylum and immigration policy makes you "far right" in the eyes of the media. Can someone who is centre-left or liberal in most aspects of life not be critical of official asylum policies?

I fully expect to get tarred with the Far Right brush for saying this.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172937#Comment_120172937

Bit like this scumbag I imagine.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/organiser-of-anti-refugee-protests-is-arrested-over-threat-to-burn-down-hotel-42281960.html

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172856#Comment_120172856

You're saying if we let in a tiny number of refugees it would impact Ireland's stability and function?

A tiny number of refugees would cause our nation to crumble?