Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Sallywag37

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172528#Comment_120172528

It should be a source of embarrassment to you that you can't hold your own in a debate without skewing the words you're reading. It should be an indicator too that you're on the losing side of the debate. I said "twenty somethings and thirty somethings" and yes, families up and down this country and its cities in particular are dealing with this problem, and yes, it is the governments fault.

It's the government's fault because it's the governments job to govern - the clue is in the name - and part of that governance is in balancing legislation and its consequences so that the people of Ireland can live in their own ancestral homeland. Housing is among the absolute basics for human life. Our government is either unable or unwilling to provide the most basic of its functions and has proven its own incompetence every day of the week, and for decades.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166867#Comment_120166867

You mean the ones who bring skills to Australia, the US, Canada? They don't drift in demanding free accommodation food etc then hang around as groups of young men with nothing to do.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173240#Comment_120173240

Sure, politicians labelling citizens who have concerns over uncontrolled immigration as 'right wing' - is a just a lazy slur. And a means of deflecting usually from the commentators lack of competence/ performance in the area.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173506#Comment_120173506

Indeed , women ( heterosexual kind and non militant feminist- majority) tend not to find those kind of men especially appealing, kind who engage in sarcastic snide swiping and who’ll engage in any depth of brown nosing in the hopes of getting a sniff

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173448#Comment_120173448

I labelled the lad who threatened to burn women and children out of their accommodation a scumbag.

But for some reason you are throwing a tantrum over this?

😕

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120169874#Comment_120169874

There are global norms and protocols. We have tools at our disposal - we don't have to accept every Tom, Dick & Harriet who turns up at the airports. Their cases can be reviewed/ triaged and sent straight back whence they came in cases that do not meet global norms and protocols. We have a primary duty to our own citizens first and particularly our 20/30 yr olds who are taking the major brunt.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173546#Comment_120173546

Nah, if one is approaching their 40s and have never left home or one are waiting over 2 decades for their forever home to be handed to them, that's a personal choice.

The vast majority go out and work and secure their own accommodation, again that is also a personal choice.

What you want is a left wing government who will promise forever homes for all, but the delivery may a problem.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173431#Comment_120173431

So you don't think it's necessarily appropriate to label someone who wants to exterminate the Jewish people as 'far right'? Fair enough....

slay55

It’s time for a change. You can thank the government for the direction I am going to support.

Sallywag37

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173558#Comment_120173558

Exactly. There's no comparison to be made between economic migrants who are honest about their status and work hard and those who deceptively game the system by lying about their status from the moment the plane touches down, beginning with ripping up their passports and then sitting on their holes for years and decades demanding handouts from the taxpaying population. This is true in Ireland or Australia or anywhere.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173845#Comment_120173845

Who is that?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173810#Comment_120173810

Taking the brunt of what exactly? The housing crisis is not caused by asylum seekers. Between 2012 and 2018, we were taking in around 6000 refugees per year - in no way could that have led to housing or accommodation shortages in Ireland in 2023.

As for the actual asylum system, there's no reason why it shouldn't be speeded up considerably. Perhaps aim to have every asylum claim assessed and concluded within six months. The focus on turning people away at the airport is a total distraction - if the asylum claims were assessed very quickly, the airport situation would hardly even matter (ditto the thing with people not having passports).

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173886#Comment_120173886

Left, centre, right, far whatever, the speeding up and actioning of decisions on economic migrants must be where the focus is.

On that I assume most agree.

niallpatrick

Zero refugee policy, nope. Pro legit refugee policy yes prioritising those who need the refuge first and foremost and using Dublin 2 agreement to return the fakes back to their last safe country they were settled in.

I am bitter, 6 counties it's the nationalist areas which takes in the majority of refugees and asylum claimants/economic migrants. Nationalities we should be welcoming are sidelined. Brazilians Central and South Americans these are the people we should be making room for along with legitimate Ukrainians and Palestinians not more undocumented economic migrants. Suitable living Space and money is finite and my take on it is 'oh theres another country gone tits up' outer Mongolia for a far fetched example. 30 Mongolians re-settled and 3000 Angolans come in at the same time.

Nosler

In the UK the Manchester bomber was an asylum seeker from Libya. His mum also came over. His brother also came to the UK.

Twenty kids dead at a music concert. The bombers mum then went back to Libya (obviously she still receives benefits from the UK taxpayer). I believe his brother knew about the bombing and bought materials for it. He's still in the UK.

Islamic State made clear their plan was to get terrorists into Europe.

This idea that asylum seekers want to live in peace and integrate into the West is childish...

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173823#Comment_120173823

I think you need to go beyond "far right" when describing such people: "murderous neo-Nazi scum" would be fine by me.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173322#Comment_120173322

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174067#Comment_120174067

That was a break neck U-Turn. Spectacular.

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174128#Comment_120174128

Like it or lump it. The Taliban wouldnt be in control of Afghanistan unless they had widespread popular support....

But yeah, asylum seekers from Afghanistan are definitely on board with living in a secular democracy..they definitely approve of irish drinking and women going out without chaperones..

TomTomTim

EDIT

Wrong thread

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174200#Comment_120174200

So you take major issue with racists being tarred with the one brush, but cohorts of people you don't like, that's fine.

😕

Hungry Burger

At this current stage of the races, the only people still advocating for our open door approach are dangerous ideologues. They live in a Disney land version of the world which is in complete conflict with reality.

We need to look after ourselves and our own because no one else will.

Sallywag37

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174708#Comment_120174708

They do indeed live in a Disney land version of the world which is in complete conflict with reality, reality as it exists at least for the majority. We might also replace 'Disney land' with Dalkey, Killiney, Foxrock, Ballsbridge, Rathgar, Howth etc. It's not a coincidence that the people advocating mass immigration are shielded from its impacts on the one hand and enjoy its cheap labour benefits on the other.

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173116#Comment_120173116

“If you don’t support the far left agenda, no woman will sleep with you!”

Yawn.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174708#Comment_120174708

We don't have an open door policy. Our immigration procedures are actually pretty strict compared to many countries in Europe - it's not an easy country to get into. The anti-immigration guys announcing we have 'open doors' and 'open borders' is mostly hot air : per capita, our intake of refugees and asylum seekers is nothing out of the ordinary. It's definitely no easier to claim asylum in Ireland than in any other EU state.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174796#Comment_120174796

Well this is complete BS.

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174796#Comment_120174796

Absolute nonsense. For the size of our population, we have taken in a far bigger percentage than other countries.

The reality is, every chancer from anywhere is turning up here and no one gets deported. Our own government admits as much, how can you “seek refuge” from a “place of safety” ?

You’ve been listening to far too much Newstalk.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173074#Comment_120173074

"Endless, uncontrolled immigration"

• There is not 'endless uncontrolled immigration'. There is freedom of movement within the EU single , all other immigration requires work permits which have strict conditions associated with them. We take in asylum seekers who are processed and assessed to see if they are genuine refugees or if they should be processed in Ireland, or in another EU country, If their application is approved, they are allowed to stay, otherwise, they are deported.

Gender quotas

• There are no gender quotas in Ireland apart from a requirement for political parties to select at least 30% women candidates in general elections (and at least 30% male candidates). And these were not hard quotas, failure to meet these quotas would result in a decrease in state funding for that party in the next general election, so the Mens Rights party could still run all men in any general election if they wanted to.

Trans rights

• Do you think people who are trans should have no rights?

Abortion

• The government held a referendum on the issue because it was demanded by the public following the death of Savita Halappanavar. The government did not come out either in favour of, or against making abortion legal in Ireland. Fine Gael were split by the issue, and so the party allowed it's members to take any position on it and didn't apply the whip one way or the other.

Funding of the very left wing NGO industry

• All countries have NGO sectors. Ireland's NGOs are no more left or right wing than any other countries. Many of our charities are owned and run by the Roman Catholic Church and so are hugely socially conservative (which seems to be what you consider to be right wing in contrast with socially liberal being 'left wing')

The expansion of the state

The state is not expanding under FF/FG. The ratio of public spending to GDP has been falling

2020/2021 was a spike due to Covid

Welfare state

All modern countries have a welfare state of some form. Ireland's welfare state is smaller than most countries in Europe and even smaller than the US welfare state

Weak on crime

And yet Ireland are the 3rd most peaceful country in the world

Hate speech laws

Do you think it is ok to incite violence or hatred against people? Freedom of speech has limits. The demonisation of minorities and dehumanisation of political opponents is what allowed the Nazis to commit their atrocities which led to the holocaust.

Internationalism

Internationalism... You're opposed to countries cooperating with each other. You'd prefer if we were nationalist and isolationist?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173431#Comment_120173431

No in just the same way the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea isn't democratic

National Socialism (Nazism) was a totalitarian fascist regime.

The fact that you made this ridiculous post means your other post about people not understanding the proper meaning of fascism might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173450#Comment_120173450

If I was asked that question I would have said I'm not happy with the government handling of Ukranian refugees too. I don't think the government should have had them sleeping in tents in the depths of winter and should have done much more to put them in suitable accommodation where they would have been warm and dry

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173676#Comment_120173676

There is no uncontrolled migration