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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 5/1/24*

  • 27-01-2023 5:09pm
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    Let's get this out of way. We have to support Ukrainians because Russia is threatening a European democracy.

    No issue here but I think outside of this we should aim for a zero refugee policy.

    It's ridiculous that some people are arriving in Ireland having skipped over an entire continent.

    We simply do not presently have the room.

    Perhaps in future the West will design a modern refugee system that actually reflects modern transport rather than the farce of pretending that a person travelling thousands of miles is a true refugee.

    I'm not racist. I have no issue with legal immigration and a reformed refugees system

    But until that let's follow Denmark

    Mod warning posted 06/03/23

    Personal so called anecdotes are what caused the original Ukrainian refugee thread to be closed

    Any more can expect threadbans

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in thread


    Mod warning posted 11/04/23

    A reminder

    This thread is about refugees not people who migrate to Ireland for other reasons

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    Mod warning posted 13/04/23

    A warning to everyone . If you cannot be civil do not post. If you think someone is posting inaccurate information, or indeed trying to twist facts to suit their agenda, do not accuse them of lying. Point out their inaccuracies and move on. This thread is taking an inappropriate proportion of mod resource and we will deal with that by removing posting privileges if posters cannot follow some very straightforward mod instructions or indeed forum or site rules

    Mod warning posted 17/05/23

    Drop any further discussion about the current situation in Ukraine. There is a thread dedicated to the conflict. This thread is about Ireland's refugee policy

    Mod warning posted 26/11/23

    No discussion of the stabbings or subsequent riots permitted

    Mod waring posted 5/1/24

    This thread is nothing to do with Sharia Law, so please drop that discussion


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




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  • Registered Users Posts: 80,215 ✭✭✭✭Overheal



    Next paragraph reads ... However, Ireland has chosen to participate in EU relocation and resettlement schemes and established the Irish Refugee Protection Programme (IRPP) as part of its response to the 2015-16 migrant crisis.

    Under this programme, Ireland committed to accept up to 4,000 people into the State through EU and UNHCR Refugee Resettlement Programmes.

    In December 2019, plans were unveiled for Ireland to welcome up to a further 2,900 refugees between 2020 and 2023 through a combination of resettlement programmes and a new Community Sponsorship Ireland initiative.

    Ireland benefited from €68.6 million of EU funding to help manage migration from 2015 to 2020. The funding was made up of €58.1 million from the Asylum, Migration and Integration Fund (AMIF) and €10.5 million from the Internal Security Fund (ISF).

    The AMIF supports Member States in managing migration flows while funding under the ISF supports efforts to protect the security of citizens and manage the EU’s external borders. The total EU AMIF allocation for 2021-2027 will amount to €9.9 billion. The overall ISF budget for the period will be around €1.9 billion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,095 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Its not possible under international law. We signed upto the 1951 UN Geneva Convention. We have legal obligations as a state.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,095 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah we cant just ignore international law. The world doesnt work that way. Your claim of little to no cost is absurd nonsense.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭Kat1170


    What about the thousands of Irish economic migrants we export all over the globe every year. Are we happy to have them turned back because, well, what's good for the goose.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,232 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Unfortunately leo and Simon C have their eyes on a big EU job and will continue to be good boys to secure that

    Which big jobs would these be? It's a claim that is often citied.

    I can think of maybe 5-6 ex politicians who took up jobs with the EU in the past 20-30 years and most of them didn't last very long in those jobs.

    So in your own time.


    Ireland traditionally tries to keep its head up the EU arse

    Except for Brexit and that time we took them to court to give an American company back billions. 🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭Kat1170




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Is our system not kind of two faced in that we accept them all but reject most of them all eventually anyway? A quagmire of bureaucracy designed to put off by word of mouth.



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