Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 5/1/24*

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172939#Comment_120172939

Well, reading the piece, the scumbag could more accurately be described as Dissident Republican, or Raving Chauvinist. People at the extremes are often very Left on many issues, especially Irish "Republicans".

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172885#Comment_120172885

Just to clarify. They said this 80k will be on top of the numbers who have already arrived last year. Madness

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172934#Comment_120172934

I'm far from obsessed with race

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172960#Comment_120172960

You asked a question, I replied with a pretty specific pertinent example.

You have returned with.

But but but the left. 🤷‍♀️

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172879#Comment_120172879

FG are aligned in Europe with the EPP Christian democrats. they're centre right

FF are aligned with

Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE)

Neither are left wing alliances

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172981#Comment_120172981

I'm pretty sure reality won't be tolerated around here.

A thread roaring about the government providing houses screaming for right governance, when it was right governance which outsourced and privatised housing.

You couldn't actually make it up.

Richard Hillman

Political asylum was supposed to meant for politicians/Royal family members/prominent figures to are fleeing from their country due to an immediate threat to their lives. It was never meant for economic migration.

People arriving with no documentation is unacceptable. They need to be returned to their flight of origin. The country of their flight to Ireland, should be responsible for sending them back to their previous destination etc. Biometric passports and facial recognition should be able to identify this.

Importantly for people who are not prominent figures in their countries and their nationality can be identified, the department of foreign affairs travel guidance should be immediately be taken account of. If the country in not on their "Do Not Travel" list, then straight home for them.

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172960#Comment_120172960

The article also starts by talking about a 43 year old, then goes on to reference the arrest of a man in his 30's... seems like more made up garbage designed to deflect and divide public opinion on the core issue at hand.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172937#Comment_120172937

The guy who organised the Finglas protest is on record as saying this

“Who wants to chip all the children in the world right now? The Jews . . . They done this to the world and they done it for financial gain. We need to get out and stop these. We need to wipe the Jews out, is what the world is going to be like. And God is going to have to step up and he will. He’s going to flatten all our enemies.” 

Does that meet your 'far right' bar?

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172965#Comment_120172965

You are one of the few to mention race on this thread. We take refugees from all over, many of the counties we take the most applicants are white.

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172963#Comment_120172963

When u see the likes of mick Clifford of the examiner on tv3 during the week saying we have to change our culture completely and accept all these illegal immigrants for the latest excuse of climate change then it’s plain to see something very sinister is going on.gone be the days when journalists did their jobs and tore politicians to shreds ,not just mouthpieces for them these days.

I fear it’s all over and we just have to accept that we’re going to be overrun in our own country eventually.I’m far from a far right lunatic as the media would say.nothing wrong with people coming here to work and the rest.that’s fine but what’s going on now is wrong.

Nosler

Tbh, it seems to be the left that wants to destroy ireland...it seems to be the far right that wants to preserve ireland and look after the irish people...

Fifty years ago if someone had said "in 2023 the government will allow people in from all over the world and give them free money and houses. Irish people will just have to suck it up" youd have been laughed at.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172981#Comment_120172981

Lets play a game.

Can you show me one position that I'll mention below that is right wing?

• Endless, uncontrolled immigration
• Gender quotas
• Trans rights
• Abortion
• Funding of the very left wing NGO industry
• The expansion of the state
• Welfare state
• Weak on crime
• Hate speech laws
• Internationalism

The vast majority of the above is supported by all of our "right wing" parties, yet nearly everything mentioned stands against most definitions of right wing that you'll find. You're just throwing labels and associations around, without actually making a clear argument as to why these parties are actually right wing.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173052#Comment_120173052

Again, I know you are only an immigrant yourself and the few dozen far right here wouldn't be too fond of you, but we have never had a predominately left government, never.

There is left governance in Scotland and as you declared yourself.

I'm from Glasgow in Scotland. I could buy an OK 1 bedroom flat for 50k.... a fairly nice 2 bedroom flat might be 100k....

But but but the left.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172981#Comment_120172981

Arbitrary details which are irrelevant to the practiced politics of either domestically

Luxembourgo

I wasn't aware we had direct flights from Afghanistan.

https://uk.knews.media/news/asylum-seeker-without-accommodation-is-left-to-sleep-on-streets-the-irish-times/

Yet not one question asked...

ILoveYourVibes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172889#Comment_120172889

I don't think fg/ff are right wing either. However I don't think they are less functional than most parties abroad. They are pretty normal as parties go tbh.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173145#Comment_120173145

I imagine some would, the same some who are fighting the great culture wars of our time.

🙄

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173147#Comment_120173147

I can't disagree, but the bar is very low. They are as functional as most parties, which isn't very functional. The only parts that function are the parts that benefit themselves. When it comes to the policies and running a nation well, there is no function at all.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120172968#Comment_120172968

That was not my intention. My initial concern was the lazy habit of labelling objectors/critics of immigration policy as "far right".: some are, many are not. It's just a lazy label and probably gets the causality all wrong. You can be right-wing in many respects and be comfortable with high immigration. Not wanting more immigration does not define you as "right".

There is too much lazy labelling in political discussion, e.g.: "Liberal Left" (from Trump followers); "Neoliberal" (from leftist academics); "fascist" (from loads of people who haven't a clue as to the real historically accurate meaning of the word).

NSAman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173240#Comment_120173240

You forgot “racist” for anyone questioning immigration stupidity/lack of policy

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173240#Comment_120173240

It's not like for like, not on boards at least. You can measure the usage of labels easily, and it's one side that completely relies on them. There's certain posters that are incapable of posting without using at least a few negative labels per post.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173240#Comment_120173240

But you had no problem labelling him far left? 😕

I labelled him a scumbag. Which he is.

Perfectly apt.

Also threatening to burn women and children out of accommodation is not just being a bit of a critic of policy.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173272#Comment_120173272

Seriously?

You are incapable of having an opinion without filtering it through your chosen prism.

You are exactly the type of person he is talking about.

We all saw your list. 🤷‍♀️

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173277#Comment_120173277

Surely it's not right to judge a group of people by the actions of a few individuals?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173322#Comment_120173322

Isn't that the whole racist loon act, pick out a foreign person who did something wrong and then apply to all foreign people? 😂

Anyway I was clearly talking about 1 individual.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173277#Comment_120173277

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173015#Comment_120173015

Boggles: I did not label the original "scumbag" as Far Left: extremists are often from both far left and right.

Loafing Oaf: That guy is not just "far right" he seems straight out of the NSDAP, which incidentally stands for The National Socialist German Workers' Party. Does that make him "far left"? 😕

Nosler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173376#Comment_120173376

I'll be honest. When I speak to people about immigration they are concerned about it. They see it is having a negative effect on things like schools, housing and healthcare. They are just decent hardworking people that want the best for their families. For people like you to label them as "racist" and "right wing" is disgusting.

So what of a tiny amount of anti immigration protestors are "racists"? Address the arguments that people have about mass immigration and you might be able to stop the rise of the extreme right...

TomTomTim

I'm not a believer in polling myself, but many trust it, many of the people who tell us that the majority is with them.

https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1619646566565875712

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120173491#Comment_120173491

I've always found it ironic too, as if you saw the faces of the men who use and abuse the term, you'd have to assume that there's a bit of projection going on.