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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

  • 12-12-2021 4:12pm
    Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭ Ryano87

    New regulations new season....

    Can redbull keep up the pace

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  • Any dates for testing? :D

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭ flazio

    Waiting to see how bad Omnicrom affects things.

  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭ Ryano87

    After that finish to the 2021 season, can we even hope for as close of season? I for one hope the merc dominance since 2014 is matched.

  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭ Ryano87

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭ recyclebin

    Toto and Christian should both get race bans for 2022 for their carry on and trying to influence the safety car procedures.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭ Ryano87

    Move to bigger rims and no barge boards ... Wonder will it mix up the pack?

    I'd love to see Haas somewhat competitive

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980

    Barcelona, scheduled for 23 to 25 of February 2022 and Bahrain, from 11 to 13 March 2022.

    Mercedes likely to dominate again - I expect them to nail the regs. Red Bull might struggle with the transition from Honda to their own in house engine management and supply. Hoping Ferrari are competitive at the front. And would love to see Haas have a decent car to see what Mick Schumacher can do in it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭ recyclebin

    I thought engine regs are pretty much frozen now, and Honda are still making next year's engine even if not badged as such.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,540 ✭✭✭✭ Dont be at yourself

    Title odds:

    Hamilton: 4/5

    Max: 5/2

    Russell: 13/2

    Leclerc: 16/1

    Sainz: 25/1

    Checo: 33/1

    Lando: 40/1

    Alonso: 66/1

    Ricciardo: 66/1

    Gasly: 66/

    Hamilton far too short. I like Russell and Alonso at those prices.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980

    All a bit of a guessing game as nobody knows what the 2022 cars will be like but I'd expect Mercedes to have the best car again.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭ El_Duderino 09

    My understanding is that the engines will be frozen but they're not frozen yet. So they're all scrambling to gain any performance before they get frozen.

    I had thought Honda will do the development and Red Bull will take over and build the engines once frozen now Honda will step away. Then Red Bull will work on designing and building a new engine for the new formula in 2026. I imagine they'll try to poach loads of staff from Honda and other existing teams.

    Are the engines frozen at the beginning of 2022 or 2023?

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980

    Post season testing tomorrow and Wednesday with the new 2022 tyres. Also will see Bottas and Guanyu Zhou in the Alfa and Russel in the Merc.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭ El_Duderino 09

    Yeah previous form suggests Mercedes will be favourites but that's all we have to go on.

    Word was that Mercedes stopped development very early on this years car. But given the performance gains later in the season I wouldn't be surprised if they focused a bit more on this year's car than they let on. They might not have the focus on next year's car that they would have had in previous years when had the championship in the bag from early on.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭ flazio

    There's no change to the engine regulations is there? Basically they could just slap this engine into next year's car.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭ quokula

    Yes Honda are still involved, but they're on a slow retreat and it's doubtful they're throwing as many resources at a project that doesn't have their name on it. There will be a lot of staff handovers and restructuring happening which will undoubtedly be a distraction from regular development.

    They could still pull off a big gain of course, Brawn managed it in the past on the chassis side when they were taking over from a Honda retreat. But it's less likely.

    And while the regulations are frozen, the engines themselves aren't. As we saw at Brazil, even with a supposedly homologated engine it's possible to make huge performance gains, so you'd expect all engines to make a performance step for next year and Honda / RB will be on the back foot relative to the other three.

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭ El_Duderino 09 Shwartzman puts Haas on top as Abu Dhabi F1 test ends.

    Someone'sasking about the times from testing this week and I found today's testing times. I think they're completely irrelevant. Mercedes were using a 2019 'mule car'. What's a mule car? It doesn't sound good but what exactly does it refer to?

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980

    It's a car from a previous season that's had its suspension, brakes and wheel hubs modified to take the new 18" tyres for next season for the purpose of testing them. Those cars weren't designed for those tyres so have to be modified to take them.

  • We're going to know feck all til testing, even that'll be mostly shakedowns. The teams seem to be bang on with simulator stuff at this stage (though there's been a few races where I wonder about blindspots) so in testing it'll be a case of hitting certain corners at certain speeds to make sure it matches the simulator. Maybe a small set up change, go again etc.

    The mule cars are completely irrelevant. They don't need to be legal either. They're just any old shite (usually fairly recent car) modified to give tyre performance data for new tyres. So change the weight higher or lower than the mule started at to match next season's, change the weight distribution, add more or remove downforce, all to give what's expected to be the characteristic performance of the new cars and see how the tyres handle it.

    Unfortunately the Pirellis are so feckin finickity that there's a chance a team or two could start the season not able to hit the dreaded operating window. But yeah, it's mostly irrelevant.

    Would love to head off testing but as with everything at this stage there's no point having a dream. 🤣

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,610 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC

    This is a really good watch and he has other videos that are really good too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭ Ryano87

    I see that Lewis was knighted this week. I already thought he was "Sir Lewis"?

    I'm sure sky referred to him as that a few times. Fair play either way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,426 ✭✭✭✭ namloc1980

    The ceremony was cancelled last year due to Covid I think and rescheduled for today.

  • Guessing it was the official conferring or something? Likely suspended during Covid.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,610 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC

    Yes I think he was not officially knighted untill today. So next year he will be even more obnoxious to listen too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭ quokula

    Some fun facts about our new defending world champion:

    He's the first world champion since Niki Lauda who's never raced Michael Schumacher.

    He's the first world champion without a Mercedes, Ferrari or Renault engine since Schumacher in the Benetton Ford of 1994.

    He's the first world champion who didn't drive the constructor's championship winning car since Mika Hakkinen in 1999.

    He's the first world champion powered by a Honda engine since Ayrton Senna.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭ flazio

    Once the birthday or New Year honours are announced the recipient is permitted to be referred to as Sir or Dame or put "_BE" after their name, even before the ceremony itself.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,064 ✭✭✭ dulpit

    Can almost guarantee he won't refer to himself as Sir Lewis or anything like that. But can equally guarantee that Sky will refer to him like that, so that'll suck.

    I see that we have formal confirmation that Max will be number 1 (I know we knew that all along) next season too:

    Made me wonder - if they went with the old style form where each team were issued with 2 numbers, who would each team assign? I assume it'd be Max 1, Checo 2, Hamilton 3, Russell 4, Leclerc 5, Sainz 6 (probably? - Sainz did finish higher, but assume Ferrari prefer Leclerc), Norris 7, Ricciardo 8, Alonso 9, Ocon 10 (or vice-versa?), Gasly 11, Tsunoda 12, Vettel 14, Stroll 15 (or would his dad make Stroll their number 1?), Latifi 16, Albon 17, Bottas 18, Zhou 19, Schumacher 20, Mazepin 21 (or would his dad make him their number 1?)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭ flazio

    If Red Bull replaced Perez with Vandorne, Then put McLaren in the next garage, then put Aston Martin after that but replace Stroll with Latifi you'd get cars 1 (VER) 2 (VAN) 3 (RIC) 4 (NOR) 5 (VET) and 6 (LAT) in that order. Fun history quiz. Before Ricciardo and Norris when was the last time McLaren ran cars 3 and 4 and who had what number.

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