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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,180 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker

    Well he would say that, he's always going apply whatever pressure he can. Unlike some posters here I don't think F1 needs him for anything and it would be more competitive if he was gone.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,157 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Sure but f1 is a business and marketing is important. Hamilton is probably the single most recognisable driver particularly in the US market which is an area of expansion for F1.

    You might not need Hamilton as an f1 fan looking for competitive racing, but F1 needs Hamilton for other reasons.

    With that said, drivers retire and the sport goes on. They will certainly do whatever they reasonably can to keep him. Fire Masi, tell him they owe him a favour and play on his equality foundation or whatever its called. He'll be on the grid this year.

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on

  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Debub

    I might be absolutely wrong - but could be a pressure tactic, the sport 'needs' Hamilton, so waiting to see how much he can get out of it maybe, also the penalty for not attending the awards is still awaited... powerplay at play!

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

    No clue how people can say F1 “needs” Hamilton with the wealth of fresh talent coming through, not to mention one of those talents being the most popular drive in Max.

    Cant see Hamilton leaving though, what sort of result from the investigation would make him stay or leave anyway?

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,975 ✭✭✭✭flazio

    North America. He really speaks to that culture, and that culture has a LOT of money. Asia and Europe can only do so much and Africa isn't really into motorsport full stop.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭McFly85

    He’s massively valuable to the sport, no question(although it could be argued that F1 is better positioned than it has been in years to live without him).

    But this is all so over the top. He can feel aggrieved, but all you can do is work with the FIA to make sure that situation can’t arise again, and move on. Acting so precious about it isn’t going to help his image.

    And it’s not the only thing from last year that needs a review. Track limits, engine penalties and what can be considered a racing incident all need to be clarified too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,617 ✭✭✭✭klose

    I myself think him winning an 8th championship to go clear of Schumachers 7 is definitely a priority. You saw how little merc cared about the constructors it took them about 3 or 4 days to even recognise that they won it again while they were being sour over Abu Dhabi.

    If Hamilton wins the championship this year I'd be surprised if the first media postings from merc say anything other than something along the lines of undisputed greatest of all time, clear of Schumacher yada yada you can make it up yourself what they'll say.

    Anyways, all irrelevant as he will definitely be racing next season (and beyond perhaps).

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭eviltimeban

    Except Hulkenberg said, based on his experience in the sim, there didn't seem that much difference in terms of being able to follow in dirty air. Will have to wait and see if the real thing is any different.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,228 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs

    Except the majority of the sims don't have the full aerodynamic modelling integrated into them. The venturi tunnels (in majority but also the lack of barge boards and complex front wings) will make a drastic effect on the rooster tail of dirty air based on what the engineers are saying

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,157 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Hamilton isn't the most popular driver, but i'd bet he's the driver people feel most strongly about. Love him or loathe him, he's the biggest name in F1.

    It would be very naive to think f1 is only about sport and F1 would let the business chips fall where they may. The drivers are assets to F1 marketing and Hamilton is the biggest asset in places like the US.

    The sport will survive without him. No doubt about that. But it would prefer to have him with them. They'll probably need to consider that in the report they do on the last race. Make sure Hamilton feels appreciated and then on to the 2022 season.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

    It is an untapped market yes, but it is not like F1 needs America to survive or it is curtains. He obviously has a following there through certain aspects, but the sport overall doesn't need one driver to keep going.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

    Make him feel appreciated? How tender do we think his ego really is for the FIA to have to do something like that?

    People can feel strongly about him all they want, which we all do in a way, Verstappen is very popular in the USA and now the champion. F1 management won't have a say in what driver stays or goes, so if he does go then so be it. The sport and business has plenty of irons in the fire to keep going, just like it did after Schumacher and Senna.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭quokula

    Hamilton came behind Verstappen and Norris in the global fan survey, which is pretty damning considering the statistics he's achieved by having a Mercedes under him, and the extent to which the media try to deify him. The reality is that he's nowhere near as popular as some posters here are making out and wouldn't be missed. His presence or otherwise wouldn't change the competitive landscape much either as there's about a dozen drivers on the grid who'd have the same record as him in that Mercedes, we already saw George Russell step in at a minute's notice in 2020 without a chance for a proper seat fitting and he still blew away Bottas and was heading for a dominant victory before the team screwed up the pitstop.

    The sport now, for the first time in a long time, has a world champion who's popular around the world rather than just in Britain, and who's flying the flag of the sport by taking part in such events as the virtual 24 hours of Le Mans this week, and who doesn't have too big an ego to respect the traditions of the sport and consider his own number more important than putting the number 1 on the car. The sport is more popular than it's been in years and that's certainly got nothing to do with Lewis, there's a reason why ratings have gone up as other drivers have won.

    Yes, Lewis loves lapping up celebrity culture and hanging out with fashion designers and musicians, but it's an extremely shallow view to make the assumption that that means he'd be more popular in the US and a bit of an insult to Americans - they do have plenty of motorsport of their own and they understand racing perfectly well. The average Nascar fan is going to be more impressed by an out and out racer like Verstappen taking the championship with a perfectly judged last lap overtake than someone who's accustomed to cruising to victory in a dominant car without a fight and spends all his time at celebrity gala events, who then goes on to sulk and demand more preferential treatment from the sport's governing body in the event he's beaten.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Killinator

    Has Hamilton actually said ANYTHING about staying or going or are people just making stuff up?

    I don't recall seeing him say one way or the other and any article I've read has just seemed to be suggestions based on absolutely nothing

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭eviltimeban

    Hamilton will be back; he's under contract and I'd imagine breaking that contract would be expensive and awkward.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭McFly85

    He hasn’t said anything and he won’t. The only places running with it are British news outlets citing “sources close to Hamilton”.

    Its likely a Mercedes strategy to try and exert as much influence/pressure as they can to ensure changes to the rulebook are in their benefit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,157 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    I think his ego is very fragile. It's one of his key characteristics. If you like him you might say he wears his heart on his sleeve but I think he has a fragile ego.

    Max also has appeal to fans plus he's current and new world champion. But he's not media presence like Lewis is. People give out when yer wan, the rapper, disrespected Martin Bruldle. She was a name in an unrelated entertainment industry who was at an f1 event. But that's precisely the kind of crossover appeal that F1 wants. They don't invite those people to appeal to the likes of us who are already fans, they don't to introduce new audiences to F1. Likewise drive to survive.

    We don't have to like it and it's not geared to us in any way, but it's important to F1 to grow its brand. Lewis is probably an important part of that branding. They will do what they reasonably can to keep him in the sport for another year or 2. No doubt about it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,228 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs

    Jesus, can we keep the Hamilton talk to the Hamilton thread and lose all this dogwhistling crap

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Gamb!t

    He was asked in the post race interview if we would see him next year and he just said "Well see".

    Its been radio silence since.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Gamb!t

    I hope he does come back so we can have him and Verstappen battle it out again.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,157 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,228 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs

    If you look at the major detractors of Hamilton on this thread and look at their post history, particularly on the BLM/racial equality threads, you can plainly see their reasons for disliking the driver

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,576 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself

    Wouldn't be surprised if he took a sabbatical. It was a long season, a bitterly disappointing end and he's facing into a 23-race calendar with a potentially competitive team-mate and a whole new car. He also has plenty of interests away from the track, from the Hamilton Commission to fashion design. Maybe a break to recharge is what he needs.

    As for the FIA, they need to stop being beholden to all the teams and drivers. They need to stamp their authority, less consultation and discussion with the teams and drivers.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

    Reading over on the autosport forum that Hamilton won't return if Masi is still there. If Masi leaves due to that, the sport is beyond messed up and how's how Merc have used their power for the last decade to get things their way.

    I really hope it is not the case, not that I like Masi, but him leaving to keep a driver because a team kicks up a fuss over it...slippy slope.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,228 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs

    Masi created a rule on the fly for the sake of entertainment. He deserves to go

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,157 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    He made up the rules for entertainment alright, but the more traditional options would advertise been controversial too - it was an unenviable position.

    Whether he deserves to go or not is another question but he might get caught up in the politics. It happens in every business and entertainment industry and sport at different times.

    There were posters calling for his head throughout the season for various reasons anyway. His wasn't a particularly popular reign as race director so I doubt there will be much opposition to his removal.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

    Right, but surely to god you see the very dangerous scenario this presents when a team can seek the dismissal of an official when a decision doesn't go their way? Rumour as well that they want Tombaziz to go as well, he oversaw the rule changes for 2021, which Merc felt were directed at them.

    I don't think Masi deserves to stay but for a team to talk about the integrity of the sport but then pressure the governing body to lose that official or their driver will walk, that is incredibly ironic, and dangerous.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,228 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs

    When evidence is there that its Mercs standing that they want him gone apart from forum gossip?

    Irregardless of what RB/merc side of the fence you are on, he made up a rule when it wasn't his place to do so ,and that's not counting the other dodgy calls he made during the season

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,157 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    That's why they'll remove Masi and never admit it was because Mercedes wanted him to be fired. Real life isn't twitter where everything is black and white. The real world is all kinds of gray and they'll use that to fudge it all over, remove Masi, keep Hamilton in the sport and keep Mercedes happy. Everyone will be happy except Masi. It'll be a story for a few weeks and then it'll be on to the next tinsely bit of news and this will be forgotten.

    It's not a huge problem. The sport is as always pragmatic as it needs to be.

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