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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula


    Reports are that he's going to Alpine - I think it may be more a case of him leaving rather than Aston dropping him. He's highly rated in the paddock.

    BWT are also reportedly switching their sponsorship to Alpine. It definitely feels like Alpine and Ferrari are the teams with the most buzz and optimism around them in the off season, but nobody really knows until they hit the track.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula


    The regulations on the new cars can be found here - good look deciphering them though! My understanding is that it's supposed to be pretty strict, but the rules are such a complicated list of boxes and angles and measurements that there's always the chance teams will find a loophole that they overlooked - this is how we ended up with innovations like double diffusers, or with those ridiculous proboscis noses on cars when they introduced regulations which were intended to lower the whole nosecone, but teams found that having a tip sticking out matched the letter of the rules and was the most performant design.

    The wing design isn't purely aesthetic, it's shaped in a way to direct the dirty air coming from the bottom of the car and push it upwards, so it doesn't impact the car behind so much. Their seems to be a lot of confidence that it will work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Couple of bits of interesting information in this article.

    Williams won a case against Rokit to get £26m in owed sponsorship. Can't go amiss. Doubt they'll get the full amount but vacant hurt.

    And car weights are going up..

    "Cars will now have a minimum weight of 790kg this year, around 38kg heavier than last term."

    Probably ignore the Hamilton to Hollywood news

    Post edited by El_Duderino 09 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    I'd say Laurence Stroll was a tough person to work for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,870 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    I see the first two races of the season are back-to-back. Bahrain on the 18th of March and Saudi on the 25th of March. Very nice.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,333 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Otmar Szafnauer was always on the way out once whitmarsh came in.

    Interesting to see him at Alpine. They really could be front runners.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Article here suggesting Honda is struggling to accommodate the new 10%, bio fuel mix for this year. It says Ferrari and Alpine have solved it but Honda is still working on it. Doesn't mention Mercedes. It might be good for the championship if Mercedes struggled too and they were all bunched up a bit.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Williams have won a case in the US against ROKiT for £26 million in unpaid sponsorship money. It's a significant amount of money. About one fifth what it cost Dorlinton to buy the team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,022 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    But who gets that? The new owners or the Williams family?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    The Williams F1 team. That's who the contract was signed with. They didn't sponsor Frank Williams to whizz around in his wheelchair. They sponsored the team to advertise its brand on the cars. That's where the money will surely go.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,239 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I'm sure the potential award was factored into the buyout figure as the deficit in the years when Rokit were supposed to be paying their sponsorship had to be covered by the Williams family themselves



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Good question. Depends on how likely they were to win. It might have been a gamble for the new buyers and Williams will have been selling as guaranteed money. Who knows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭Ryano87


    Not sure how reliable this source (although McLaren's financial wows are well documented).

    I think it's good news for the sport if Porsche / Audi are onboard





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula


    This was reported as a done deal back in the middle of last season, then both McLaren and Audi strongly denied it and the reports died.

    But then Otmar Szafnauer leaving Aston Martin was reported in the middle of the season and that was strongly denied and the story was dropped too...

    I'd take it as good news if true, McLaren's finances have been in a poor state and they've had to sell off a bunch of their assets in recent times, meaning that though they've had good on track performances this year their long term prospects were looking shaky. Seeing a new manufacture committing to the sport is good news too as the sport looks to be finally turning a corner with the next set of engine regulations in 2025 after the disastrous 2014 formula that forced smaller engine suppliers like cosworth out of the sport and created huge barriers to entry for any potential new manufacturer.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How bad can things be when they've managed to cut their spending by a half or two thirds going forward with the budget cap? Makes little sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula


    It was mainly down to their road car business being hit hard by the pandemic and they had no headroom for that which meant they had to lay off a large portion of their workforce and sell off their premises and get external investors onboard to ensure they could keep paying the bills.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,687 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Did anyone see this?

    I assume this is just sky making stories for the sake of it, Hamilton is hardly going to retire out of the blue this late on?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Absolute guff. There's nothing else to talk about at the moment so the only way to make a video worth watching is to make stuff up or exaggerate to the point of making stuff up. Lewis might be holding out and waiting for the FIA to beg him to confirm he'll drive, and I expect most of the 50:50s to go his way and maybe a few big decisions like penalties against Max to get Lewis onside. Or they might make some big promises and not follow through.

    He's having a sulk because F1 made some rules on the fly for the entertainment and he got screwed. But F1 needs him so they'll do what they need to do to secure his participation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,660 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Not a chance Hamilton will retire, he'll be back all guns blazing after last season and if Merc (assumably) nail the regs he'll be front runner for the championship again. If he wins an 8th championship I think he'll call it a day then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    I don't know what they were like for F1 a few years ago, but it wasn't that long ago they used to be quite respectable for football news but have gone pure tabloid with their stuff and the yellow ticker in recent years

    That is pure scrapping the gutter stuff



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I really wonder how which it matters to have the record. The media made a big deal out of records and stats, but that's how they tell the stories and their job is telling stories.

    Even if he's not 100% enthusiastic about taking part this year, he'll be motivated by not looking like a sore loser. Rosberg's retirement was a tiny bit dishonourable and it looked like he knew he couldn't defend the title so he didn't. Fair enough, No harm to his reputation as nobody ever said he was the best driver. Hamilton retiring after NOT winning the title would look like sour grapes and that would genuinely tarnish his reputation as the potential GOAT.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Hamilton not winning the eigth title might be bad news for everyone else. Mercedes and Hamilton may have said that's enough and motiivation could have dropped off. I think they will be seriously motivated for revenge now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Hamilton will of course be back. His ego would need to be incredibly fragile for him to bin it all in because a decision didn't go his way. Once testing starts and he's back in the car I'm sure he'll be more motivated than ever. Can't be sure obviously but I think the record is important to him, and he'll want the outright lead by the time he chooses to retire, which could be a long way away yet - he's still right at the top in terms of ability.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    I think he'd love to have that 8th title as it will always be Schumacher and Hamilton on 7 world titles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭NinjaTruncs


    I can see Hamilton doing two more years, if the car is competitive he'll go for championship 8 and 9 over the next two years, If the car isn't competitive next year I would expect him to give it another year to try get #8, depending on how close the car is. But I doubt he'll be driving in 3 years time.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    With that 8th title then Hamilton can retire with all the important records broken. I hope he sticks around and has a competitive enough car to at least fight for that eigth title. This year just left too much of a sour taste for him to go off and retire without giving it another shot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Is this the year the cars change so that they don't produce loads of turbulence, making it easier for the cars to follow? Or which year does that happen?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭McFly85


    That’s this year alright. As far as I understand it the new aerodynamics mean there’ll be less dirty air once trailing cars get close, so we should see less of those situations where cars get close on straights but lose time in corners.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    BBC are saying he's waiting to see the results of the inquiry before deciding if he will continue this season.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Might see a lot more overtaking so. These conditions might favour drivers who are better "racers" as opposed to those who can drive fast around a track.


    I was too young at the time to notice but wasn't Schumacher known as a fast driver who wasn't particularly good at wheel-to-wheel racing? Vettel possibly in that category also.



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