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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    07 - Level on points with Alonso - Finished 2nd in championship

    08 - Beat Kovalainen by 45 pts - Finished 1st in championship

    09 - Beat Kovalainen by 27 pts - Finished 5th in championship

    10 - Beat Button by 26 pts - Finished 4th in championship

    11 - Beaten by Button by 43 pts - Finshed 5th in championship

    12 - Beat Button by 2 pts - Fnished 4th in championship

    13 - Beat Rosberg by 18 pts - Finished 4th in championship

    14 (Hybrid Era) - Beat rosberg by 67 pts - Finished 1st in championship (146pts to next highest placed constructor in 3rd)

    15 - Beat Rosberg by 59 pts - Finished 1st in championship (103 pts to next highest place constructor in 3rd)

    16 - Beaten by Rosberg by 5 pts - Finished 2nd in championship (Conspiracy year - 129 pts to next highest placed constructor in 3rd)

    17 (Introduction of Bottas) - Beat Bottas in 3rd by 58 pts - Finished 1st in championship (46pts to next highest placed constructor in 2nd)

    18 - Beat Bottas in 5th by 161 pts - Finished 1st in championship (88pts to next highest placed constructor in 2nd)

    19 - Beat Bottas in 2nd by 87 pts - Finished 1st in championship (135pts to next highest placed constructor in 3rd)

    20 - Beat Bottas in 2nd by 124 pts - Finished 1st in championship (133pts to next highest places constructor in 3rd)

    21 - Beat Bottas in 3rd by 161 pts - Finished 2nd in championship



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I’m looking at going Barcelona next year. Is it worth the premium to get into a grandstand or are the general admission tickets good enough? Any other general tips or advice from someone who’s been recently? Never gone to an F1 race before but I’ve been to Barcelona 6 or 7 times at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Way back in 1999 my dad brought me to the Spanish Grand Prix on General admission. We watched the Grand Prix from a bit of grass to the right of the pit straight Grand stand and it really was one of the best points on the track. Clear view of cars coming out of the final corner (faster then because that chicane didn't exist), the big screen was angled that we could see it fine, back of the grid revving up for the start, clear view of the finish line and although the wall was too high for us to see into the pitlane, there was some slanted glass above the first two or three pit boxes that you could see a mirror reflection overhead of the boxes as the stops happened. The race itself wasn't a classic but I honestly had a better time there then I did in Spa 2004.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Spain (or maybe catalonia) has some strange laws around selling booze at events. So I think they don't sell booze, but you can buy a ticket which includes booze. A friend goes to pre season testing in Barcelona and they get the premium ticket which includes an open bar.

    I don't know the details. Maybe someone knows exactly how it works.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Don't know what you're trying to say here to be honest but I get the feeling you're trying to tell me I'm wrong?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Beating team mates that have put it up to him for the majority of his career is a big statement. Personally I don't agree with it, I think at a push Rosberg and Button were the only two that may have pushed him a bit but not anyway consistently.

    The point of my post was just for information purposes anyway.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    He also beat the two-time defending champion Alonso in 2007 in his rookie year (Hamilton won the tie break).

    He's been in F1 for 15 seasons and in 8 of those (the majority of his career) he had a team-mate that 'put it up to him'.

    He beat Alonso 1-0, Button 2-1 and Rosberg 3-1.

    You can disagree with it if you want, but it is what it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,326 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Button scored more points than Hamilton over their seasons together. People expected Button to get absolutely trampled on by Hamilton but it was far from the case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Yeah, that's why I only put the information out there, you can take whatever you want out of it depending on the point you want to make.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I'm not the biggest fan of Hamilton - I admired him early on in his career.

    We can't have it both ways though. We can't say he has had a massive car advantage and at the same time say he has never really had a decent teammate to challenge him, and when he did he was beaten.

    Obviously, the new regulations and car design could mix things up, but I fully expect Hamilton to outperform Russell without relying on team orders.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Absolutely, which says a lot more about how good a driver Button was more than anything.

    The original statement suggested Hamilton hasn't been had a team-mate that put it up to him, when he has more often than not. Three world champions, to be exact, and he beat them all over the period of their time together.

    There aren't many in the history of the sport that can make that claim, but many here seem to forget that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    I don't agree that he has had a team mate that has pushed him for the majority of his career like the original post claimed, that's all.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    8 out of 15 seasons.

    That's when he had a team-mate who either was or went onto be a World Champion.

    That's the majority of his career.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    If you apply the point made by established, respected and knowledgeable poster El_Dude that younger drivers are far more adaptable. Take the old men out in alonso and button, who are five users older than him.

    That leaves Rosberg. Same age, same car in 3 seasons.

    Rosberg history:

    17th (2006), 9th, 13th, 7th, 7th, 9th, 6th, 2nd (hybrid 2014), 2nd, 1st.

    So we can see here that a pretty average driver can perform extremely well in the Hybrid car. So is Hamilton just a better driver than one that is "okay" overall when they are not in a vastly better performing car?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I've seen some straw clutching on these forums over the years but this is the most impressive yet.

    Are you seriously trying to say a 27 year old defending two-time World Champion Alonso was 'an old man' when he was Hamilton's team-mate?

    You tried to paint the picture that you were just 'putting the information out there' but it's clear as day you're looking for any and every reason to downplay Hamilton's achievements in his career.

    Honestly it's baffling that we're having a conversation about a rookie having an advantage over a 27 year old, two-time defending World Champion just because he was five years younger than him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Nope, I left my opinion out of the info post for that very reason, I didn't have an agenda. I didn't want to open the door to accusations of down playing his career or trying to prove you wrong. Nothing in that post was fabricated or info withheld to stear opinions.

    You made a claim, I posted info around that claim.

    Then you went on to question me, I answered and disagreed, then you made another point that I didn't agree with.

    I disagreed with you and explained why. Up to you where you go with my reply.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,435 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    New thread same auld Hamilton guff as ended the old thread.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You said:

    "If you apply the point made by established, respected and knowledgeable poster El_Dude that younger drivers are far more adaptable. Take the old men out in alonso and button, who are five users older than him."

    Not only was that a dig at me (before you say it wasn't, you wouldn't have gone out of your way to describe another poster as 'established, respected and knowledgeable'), you claimed that you couldn't compare Alonso and Hamilton, as well as Button and Hamilton in the same car against each other because Hamilton was younger than them, which is absolute bollocks. Alonso was 27 years old and had just won back-to-back drivers titles. Button was 30-32 and when he joined McLaren, he had just won the world championship as well.

    Then you took Rosberg and dismissed him as 'average'. Average drivers don't win a World Championship when their team-mate is one of the greatest of all time.

    That entire post was to dismiss Hamilton's achievements against team-mates who 'put it up to him'. You can deny it all you want but your posting history goes against you on this one, I'm afraid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    I described that poster as such because its clear that is the opinion of them around here. if your mind is made up and there's no point in me denying it then there's not much i can do. It wasn't what was intended.

    It's your opinion on my origional post, its your view on Hamiltons career by what you claimed and your entitled to all of it. All I did was post info and my own contrasting view after being questioned on it. that info could have easily been looked at by a new fan to F1 and they could have seen it as Hamilton only losing out twice or whatever to a team mate in his career.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Right lads, 2022…yeah?

    I also hope for better fortunes for Aston Martin, still a soft spot for them with them being Jordan etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Except, we have Baku, when RB asked for a red flag on safety grounds when the race MIGHT have ended under safety car and they weren't looking for a count back or anything else. Just red flag on safety grounds



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Guys, 2022 season. Put the end of the 2021 season to bed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'm not even sure what point you're making or why you think the situations are comparable. What point are you making?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Red bull could have pushed for the race to end under safety car because they had no warning on the tyre blow out, or a red flag and no restart


    Instead they asked for a red flag to allow everyone change tyres before the race restarted.


    The only any way comparable incident we have and they wanted a motor race.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,013 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    2022 Season thread. All this has already been said in the Abu Dhabi race thread. Put it to bed already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09



    But to be fair, it's ages ago anyway. Maybe time to let it go?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    When does 2022 testing start?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,158 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    "The first week of testing in Barcelona, scheduled for 23 to 25 of February, will be attended by journalists, but the sessions will not be broadcast live on TV. Instead, a 60-minute summary will be broadcast via F1 TV each day.

    The second week of testing in Bahrain, from 11 to 13 March, will be broadcast live via F1 TV."



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I really can’t wait to see the different approaches to these cars. It is a literal blank slate for all teams, nothing at all will carry over for aero.

    The underfloor rules should be interesting in how teams approach, it’s not legit “ground effect” but it’ll be better than what we have had for the past few years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,655 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    If testing is end of Feb, when do the cars get launched?



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