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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,439 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,017 ✭✭✭✭flazio

    Close, right pair, right numbers but it was 2012

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,855 ✭✭✭✭AMKC

    Ye I was thinking that must be wrong. Surely Jenson had No.1 in 2010. Vettel would have been No.2 at the start of that season am I right?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,669 ✭✭✭✭dulpit

    Button was 1, Hamilton 2 in the McLaren. Brawn were the constructors champions and became Mercedes, so they took 3 and 4 (Schumacher & Rosberg). Red Bull had finished 2nd, so they got 5 and 6 (Vettel & Webber).

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭recyclebin

    Some seem surprised that Mercedes signed Russell for next season instead of keeping Bottas.

    I wasn't surprised at all. It was either sign Russell or potentially lose him. Mercedes couldn't let another GP2 champion go to waste.

    Bottas was sick of 1 year deals too and his form has been all over the place so it was time for him to go.

    There was also the risk of Hamilton retiring as soon as he won no. 8.

    If Hamilton does call it quits sooner than expected then will De Vries take his place? That could be an interesting lineup if the car is up to the pace.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo

    Really? People here like?

    I find it hard to believe that people who saw Russel absolutely destroy Bottas (and most of the field) in the merc even though he couldn't fit in the thing and didn't know where the menus were on the dash.

    I also think that despite what Bottas says about long term projects, if Merc offered him another 1 year contract he would have taken it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Not really. There was an understanding that Bottas was out and Russell was in. Even about a week before the official announcement, there was one poster who said they saw no reason to bring in Russell but that was against the generally accepted opinion that Russell would get the seat.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭Harika

    Fun thought experiment: if Lewis shock retires, who would replace him?

    Bottas, Vandoorne, deVries, Rosberg?

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,330 ✭✭✭✭mickdw

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,017 ✭✭✭✭flazio

    I believe contractually Vandorne is front of the queue.

    BTW, Grosjean never got his spin out did he?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo

    Hamilton could face sanctions for not going to the championship event.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,669 ✭✭✭✭dulpit

    And he should. If he doesn't, then that's the FIA acknowledging there was a problem with the final race, which they've already said there wasn't.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,579 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,650 ✭✭✭✭klose

    He was their reserve driver in 2020, didn't stop them bringing Russell in however, I'd be surprised if de Vries wasn't brought in before Vandorne tbh (not that I see Hamilton retiring at all)

    Grosjean never got his spin as the French GP he was initially meant to do a FP1 in was postoped a week Iirc.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Ocon the most likely I'd say. He's got Mercedes links. Renault would need to be paid but they have young drivers too so it might not be the end of the world to promote one of them.

    Hamilton's going nowhere. He was shafted in the race and he's hurt. He'll be back talking in all the soundbites in a few weeks: training harder... more motivated than ever... lit a fire... more dedicated... hungry etc.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭Harika

    I say Mercedes will want a champion or at least race winner in the car.

    Ocon won a race now, would that be enough?

    They might draft Vettel in with a two year contract to give Russell support and competition.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,669 ✭✭✭✭dulpit

    Isn't Ocon managed by Toto? (seems a conflict of interest...)

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Yes he is but it's pretty normal. Toto also manages Bottas and brought him from Williams to Mercedes.

    Ocon would be the best choice but he's under a 3 year contract. So it would take Alpine agreeing to let him go in exchange for hard money. Alpine gave him a 3 year deal so they were planning to have him at the team in the long term.

    Gasley is pretty unloved by RB so he would be a good option. But RB would never let him go to help Mercedes. They'd be more likely to give him a long term contract if they thought Mercedes wanted him.

    Hard to know who they'd get in. All the good options are already signed up. But it's all academic as Hamilton's not going anywhere

  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen

    If Gasly had any sense in the world he'd buy out his own contract if Mercedes came calling and RB decided they wanted to keep him.

    Go to Marko and say 'if you want me so badly, put me back in the Red Bull, or I'm going to buy myself out'.

    Any 'long term' contract offer to race in the B team should be laughed at by him. RB's treatment of Gasly is nothing short of shameful.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    RB would have to agree to be bought out of the contract though. And they'd never agree to help Mercedes.

    Even of they were neutral towards Mercedes, they would be left wirh the problem of filling the seat for themselves. They have a fantastic driver in great form in Gasley. They would have to take a punt on Albon in his place. There's absolutely no incentive to let Gasley go to help Mercedes out.

    RB would be delighted if Mercedes had to fill the seat with a rookie. It would give them a leg up in the constructors championship

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo

    Isn't Albon signed with Williams now?

    Wonder what way the three teams would need to play that out

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Oh yeah you're right. He's with William next year.. So RB would need to buy him back too while helping Mercedes to compete against them next year. It would never happen.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo

    Small child misses out on dream due Merc and Hamilton petulance.

    Young karter Zack Zhu sent a heartfelt message to his racing hero Lewis Hamilton after he didn't get to hand him his trophy at the FIA prize giving ceremony.

    Zack wears a Lewis inspired helmet and wanted to show him his first star ⭐️💜

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Puke. Lewis Dreamsmasher Hamilton at it again. I'm fine with legitimate Hamilton bashing but this kind of stuff is silly.

    If he now flies half way across the world to spend time with this young fella, I doubt you'll be giving him any credit. No more than posters give him any credit when he does something pro environment or pro gay rights, the same posters find fault in that too.

    The naked anti-Hamilton sentiment this year would make you warm towards him. He's a grand lad, just a bit of a nob. Not worthy of scraping the bottom of the barrel for an incident where he disappointed a puppy or a small child. Have you heard the one where he made the baby Jesus cry?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo

    Im simply the messenger, i never called him any names.

    I will say though, as disappointed as Merc and Hamilton are there's no excuse for making a child feel like that, it's magnified significantly especially when they want to present their own achievements to someone they admire. I don't see that as being bottom of the barrel, it's a child's dream not the hurt feelings of a sensitive adult

    The sweet baby jesus as well?? In that case, what a monster!

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    And a puppy. The puppy made a really sad face too, big eyes and everything. Not sure what Lewis did to the puppy but he probably did something. Amiright?

    Do you report stories where Hamilton does nice things for people or makes young drivers happy? Do you fcuk. Don't pretend to give a shiny shyte about the gosson. He's just a stick to beat Lewis.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Hijpo

    Maybe he did, no reports on it so I can't comment.

    If he did nice things grand, I haven't seen any reports of them and if I did it's because people have posted about them here already. I didn't look for the story about the kid getting a huge knock back, it was in a feed. His nice guy actions are not a topic of conversation right now, it's Mercs and Hamiltons ridiculous carry on that is.

    This is the most irrate iv ever seen you, f***'s and all so ill leave it at that so as not to anger you any further, Mondays can be hard enough sometimes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula

    Interesting comments coming in about the 18" tyres.

    Pirelli seem far more confident of the structural integrity now that they've got smaller side walls so hopefully this will be the end of the sudden blowouts that have plagued the sport for several years now.

    Apparently temperature comes in more consistently, and combined with lower temperature tyre blankets they expect the tyres will need to be worked hard to bring them up to speed. Hopefully this will mark the end of the shambles we currently see in many qualifying sessions with the cars tiptoeing around.

    Most interestingly, there is an imbalance of grip with the rear tyres being grippier than the fronts, leading to more understeer. The teams expect to be able to dial this out with increased front downforce in their new cars, but I wonder if this might be an opportunity for the kind of aggressive driving style Alonso was famous for back in his Renault days, on Michelin tyres that had similar understeery characteristics.

    Aside from that it doesn't sound like too many surprises, similar durability and steps between compounds as the current tyres so broadly similar strategies to be expected. This is all based on mule car data of course, the 2022 chassis and aero could still throw up some surprises.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,159 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    The Race podcast suggesting that Mercedes will lobby pretty hard to gave Masi removed from his position for next year.

    I wonder if he'll be around next year. If they fire him then it'll be clear that either he was wrong or the gave in to Mercedes demand. They might try to move him to another position without an obvious demotion. Could just keep him in position.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,198 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker

    I think he has to go. If he doesn’t Mercedes will look for some sort of compensation in terms of favourable regs or something similar.

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