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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Probably the couple of weeks leading up to testing and a few will launch on the morning of the first test.

  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,479 ✭✭✭✭antodeco

    I haven't been in a few years, but used to go to Barcelona and Valencia (ex European GP race). It's just as easy to stay in Barcelona. The train is busy going in, but everyone is in great spirits. They offer a free shuttle bus from close to the train station up the circuit (it's a bit of a walk!).

    I usually do the grandstand. They're probably not the best seats, but it's covered (it can get super hot) and you are at the starting grid. Funny story one year, I got hit in the face by a flying Ferrari cap. Saw a fan running towards me so picked it up and handed it to him (thinking it was his). Turns out it was a signed cap from Alonso that he threw over the fence and hit me with it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭eviltimeban

    Is it too early to start making predictions? I suppose we need to see what testing brings in February.

    Things I'd like to see is; new race winners, also Alonso winning a few races. Ferrari mounting a decent challenge. A three or four way title fight. One big team getting the regs VERY wrong, and one small team getting them VERY right. ;-)

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,410 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

    Yeah it’s a bit early, you’d imagine the best will still be up there, but I fancy a few surprises. We are in the unknown with who has reverted resources to 2022 and when during last season. I know Haas did and a few others, and we have a cost cap as well.

    Youd imagine the usual will be there, but that doesn’t always happen.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,660 ✭✭✭✭klose

    Ferrari probably are the ones to watch for next season, that engine upgrade was pretty meaty in the last third of this season and had pretty much zero reliability issues.

    The big question is how much time and money did redbull and merc pour into the season as it panned out when the likes of ferrari were (so they say) fully focused on next year's regs?

    You'd love to see a brawn type scenario where a back marker makes a big stride and wins the championship but its hard to see it? Alpine are probably one that need to be nailing this, making their own engine and chassis and no customer teams to be dealing with, they've little excuse.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    They have the worst engine though. We'd they're always had the worst engine for the whole hybrid era except for competitors mistakes. Honda being terrible at the start and the Ferrari cheating agreement made them poor for a season. Renault making such a leap in engine performance would be a massive bolt from the blue considering they've shown no indication of catching the Mercedes or Honda.

    Ferrari is probably well ahead of them again with its latest engine.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash

    Ferrari are taking a different approach next season as they’ll be the only team who won’t be running a split turbo setup. They developed two engines and earlier this year decided on the risky move of doing something different.

    They’ll be running the turbocharger and supercharger at the front of the engine whereas all other teams have the supercharger at the back and turbo at the front. I don’t know if that’s the engine they ran at the end of the season or even if a new engine concept is allowed mid season (I presume it is so long as it meets the regs) but they’ve banked on this for the next 3 years so they’ll need it to work!

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Saw the Williams documentary tonight. Interesting show. He build a great business but he's not a sympathetic character. He had no interest in anything in life except the business. His family seemed to mean very little him. They showed love and devotion to him which he didn't seem capable of, or interested in, reciprocating.

    Good show all the same.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula

    I just can't see a repeat of Brawn because I can't see a customer team beating their supplier's works team with the complexity of the hybrid power units - this was the reason Ron Dennis gave for ditching Mercedes for Honda originally. Although that gamble didn't work out, his prediction has generally proven correct, with the only exception through the whole hybrid era has been McLaren beating Renault in 2019 and 2020. Renault of course are no longer supplying customers, only Mercedes and Ferrari are and neither constructor has ever been beaten by a customer under this formula.

    Realistically that means there are four teams in with a shot at the championship, Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and Alpine. Ferrari and Alpine have surely been throwing everything they possibly can at the new car and if they're ever going to get back to the front this has to be the year. Mercedes will have split focus more with 2021, but their massive engine advantage is unlikely to be going anywhere and that still leaves them likely to be strong. Red Bull are the most precarious in my view as unlike their competitor's engine advantage which is preserved, their biggest strength is in aero and that's all going in the bin and back to the drawing board for the new cars. Newey is a master of finding opportunities in new regs of course but he's just one man and he's clearly had much of his focus on 2021, in addition to missing a bunch of time after his severe bike crash. The transition of the Honda engines into in-house ownership could see some hiccups too.

    I've been keeping my eye on the driver's betting markets and for me Russell, Sainz and Alonso are the value bets right now. I made a fortune betting on Rosberg each way for the 2014 title back in 2013 but unlike the obvious head start Mercedes had with that engine, there's no clear front runner just yet so I think I'll be waiting for testing this time.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,332 ✭✭✭✭mickdw

    Clearly Mercedes Ferrari and red bull will be the expected front runners but will all new regs a clever interpretation could easily be enough to result in McLaren being faster than Mercedes for example.

    It's all up the air for now but there will surely be a surprise where one team arrived with an alternative design whether that's a midfield team jumping to the front or a front runners going backwards.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,866 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199

    Happy New Year! Hopefully we will have another cracking season ahead of us.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,410 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    That's pretty cool.

    I know moat people hate the cars every year, then they get used to them and like them and then hate when they change the next year. But I think that looks pretty good

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,410 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt

    I wonder how close it is to the real thing, I doubt it’s the proper car just yet but it’s probably not far off.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,639 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo

    You can be confident that they tried this model and found gains in a completely different setup. This is to throw people off.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭This is it

    Have we any idea how big/long the cars will be compared to this season? I presume they won't be bigger again...

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    It won't be close enough to give away anything unique about the Mercedes. Any detail that could give away any clue about how it's doing anything from front to back. So it's like an FIA render of a 2022 car.

    But it looks pretty good nonetheless.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula

    I'm pretty sure it's just a render of the FIA reference model with a Mercedes livery, there won't be any images of the real car for a good while.

    Supposedly the new regs are very tight with little room to deviate so the real car may look a lot like that, but we won't know for sure until they hit the track in February, undoubtedly there'll be some loopholes to be found.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭quokula

    They're the same width, and will be pretty much the same length - there's now a prescribed length where there wasn't previously, but it's pretty close to what the teams were already running, a few cm shorter than some of the longest cars but nothing noticeable. There's talk of them bringing the size back down to something more sensible with the new engine regs in 2026, but for now they'll continue to be the size of pickup trucks.

    The weight is actually further increasing too, they're going to be nearly 800kg which is a long way from the sub 600kg cars before the hybrid era.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,020 ✭✭✭✭flazio

    That looks to me like the show car from F1 painted in black with the badge stuck on the nose.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Yeah I'd imagine that's pretty much all it is. A little marketing exercise that helps push the focus to the future.

    I imagine that since heads have gad time to cool, Mercedes probably isn't proud of its behaviour in the couple of weeks after the last race. Onwards and upwards.

    I also remember hearing a few months ago that they were probably moving back to the silver cars for next year.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭blade1

    Ahh, the T2000.

    Liquid metal over endoskeleton! 😁

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09 Red Bull head to court over departing Fallows.

    Shenanigans around the Red Bull aero chief going to Aston Martin. RB want his 6month gardening leave to start after his Co tract with them would have ended at the end of 2022. So he could only begin work in the middle of 2023.

    The details aren't that important for now but it's good for AM to be able to attract such high profile people from other teams. Shows they have ambition at least.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,451 ✭✭✭weisses

    Money talks and the team is run by a Billionaire .... Not really rocket science that they are able to attract some good people

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09

    Maybe so. It's probably good for the overall competitiveness of the sport.

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,866 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199

    Hopefully we will get some car launch dates soon.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,020 ✭✭✭✭flazio

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭Cool_CM

    Hope he lands on his feet - he did a lot of good work for that team

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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    I quite like the new shape of cars, only thing I specifically don't like about them is the front wing. Having wheels exposed fully just makes the cars look much better.

    That and I dunno, the model looks a little bit "easy". Like it's no more exciting looking than some of the designs for IndyCar a few years back were. Like how restricted are the rear wings? The shape makes them look almost spec, do they have to follow the curved geometry etc?

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