Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

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Anyone who does decide to take a trip to the Moon should understand they will be subject to Mandatory Hotel Quarantine on return. Also make sure your vaccine passport is up to date

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speckle

Jupiter or Mars..anyone?

Valhallapt

speckle wrote: »

Jupiter or Mars..anyone?

But but the Martian variant....

Trips to Mars were never banned, you can travel to Mars for essential reasons, no one is going to turn you around at the spaceport.

You won’t get the 2K fine if your trip is for essential reasons, so the fine won’t prevent you going to Mars.

Ray Donovan

So no Statutory Instrument as of yet to extend the €2,000 fine. Are we in the clear?

JojoLoca

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So no Statutory Instrument as of yet to extend the €2,000 fine. Are we in the clear?

Nothing posted yet, so let’s hope

Feria40

JojoLoca wrote: »

Nothing posted yet, so let’s hope

Think it may be midnight tonight it expires..? Could yet be a last second job from Donnelly

Chris_5339762

I know people want it gone, I do too, but I just can't see them NOT extending it to the 19th July. Would be delighted to be wrong - not that I'll be travelling until we see just how easy it'll be once people start flying again - immigration delays etc.

Rosereynolds

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So no Statutory Instrument as of yet to extend the €2,000 fine. Are we in the clear?

fingers and toes crossed

stephenjmcd

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So no Statutory Instrument as of yet to extend the €2,000 fine. Are we in the clear?

Don't get your hopes up, it's absolutely going to be extended until July, it'll likely expire at 23:59 on the 18th

Valhallapt

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't get your hopes up, it's absolutely going to be extended until July, it'll likely expire at 23:59 on the 18th

Do they have to renew before it expires, or can it be expired a few days then extended?

M_Murphy57

Valhallapt wrote: »

Do they have to renew before it expires, or can it be expired a few days then extended?

Not sure, does it depend on the extension of his other super powers?

faceman

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So no Statutory Instrument as of yet to extend the €2,000 fine. Are we in the clear?

The last time it was extended they did it on the expiry day so don’t get excited until this evening

Marcusm

faceman wrote: »

The last time it was extended they did it on the expiry day so don’t get excited until this evening

The prior SI was on the day before (9 May) although not effectively published until 10/5. We will have to wait until then end of today at least and possibly tomorrow before there is any sort of clarity.

naufragos123

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't get your hopes up, it's absolutely going to be extended until July, it'll likely expire at 23:59 on the 18th

How do you know that? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

northcider85

It's due for debate in the Dáil this evening at 6.30pm. As the Dáil schedule mentions "to conclude within 150 mins". Might be a late one so.
I fully expect it to pass through unfortunately. Unless a group of senators / TD's band together to propose a specific amendment to the Garda powers about fines

Klonker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't get your hopes up, it's absolutely going to be extended until July, it'll likely expire at 23:59 on the 18th

I wouldn't be so sure. Its more than likely going to be extended but it's not a foregone conclusion.

If it's extended to 18th July, then we'll be going from no non essential travel with a 2k fine in place for such travel and PCR tests before arrival, a do not travel advice, along with 14 day home quarentine or 5 day if get a follow up negative PCR test. To switch from this on the 18th July to the 19th July where there will be no non essential warning or fine in place, no advisory not to travel, no quarentine as long as have vaccine or PCR. The airports can't just switch on like that.

It would make sense to gradually ease, remove fine now but still a no non essential travel and do not travel advice. Maybe drop quarentine for vaccinated people in a few weeks etc., so airports can get up to speed. Now just because it makes sense doesn't mean they'll do it but I wouldn't take it as definite it'll be extended. I wouldn't be surprised if the guards look for the fine to be removed too, it's taking up a lot of their resources for a law/fine that they are finding hard to enforce going by the article in the Independent.ie the other day, resources that they'd probably love to use in the city centre instead, especially after last weekend and the crowds gathering.

Maybe I'm just trying to believe what I want to happen,flights booked mid June and going either way

Tazz T

Valhallapt wrote: »

But but the Martian variant....

Trips to Mars were never banned, you can travel to Mars for essential reasons, no one is going to turn you around at the spaceport.

You won’t get the 2K fine if your trip is for essential reasons, so the fine won’t prevent you going to Mars.

I note the Independent is now calling one of the the Indian variants, the 'Delta' variant. That now officially makes it a 'scariant'. I'd expect more of these names, becoming increasingly more terrifying as numbers drop. DublinLive will have a field day: 'Reopening under threat at Delta death variant doubles in a week. Dublin doomed.'

Tazz T

Tazz T wrote: »

I note the Independent is now calling one of the the Indian variants, the 'Delta' variant. That now officially makes it a 'scariant'. I'd expect more of these names, becoming increasingly more terrifying as numbers drop. DublinLive will have a field day: 'Reopening under threat at Delta death variant doubles in a week. Dublin doomed.'

I have no idea what this post means but variants are now being named after the letters of the Greek alphabet.

Chris_5339762

Tazz T wrote: »

I note the Independent is now calling one of the the Indian variants, the 'Delta' variant. That now officially makes it a 'scariant'. I'd expect more of these names, becoming increasingly more terrifying as numbers drop. DublinLive will have a field day: 'Reopening under threat at Delta death variant doubles in a week. Dublin doomed.'

Imagine DublinLive foaming at the mouth once we get to the Omega variant. They'll combust :pac:

Feria40

Feria40 wrote: »

Think it may be midnight tonight it expires..? Could yet be a last second job from Donnelly

Last time it didn't show up online until the afternoon but he had signed it that morning.

naufragos123

naufragos123 wrote: »

How do you know that? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Why do people get so uptight about this opinion? The user, has expressed an opinion. An opinion based on the statements made by those in power.

The government knows full well that if they drop the fine, the gates are open.

Klonker

Klonker wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure. Its more than likely going to be extended but it's not a foregone conclusion.

If it's extended to 18th July, then we'll be going from no non essential travel with a 2k fine in place for such travel and PCR tests before arrival, a do not travel advice, along with 14 day home quarentine or 5 day if get a follow up negative PCR test. To switch from this on the 18th July to the 19th July where there will be no non essential warning or fine in place, no advisory not to travel, no quarentine as long as have vaccine or PCR. The airports can't just switch on like that.

It would make sense to gradually ease, remove fine now but still a no non essential travel and do not travel advice. Maybe drop quarentine for vaccinated people in a few weeks etc., so airports can get up to speed. Now just because it makes sense doesn't mean they'll do it but I wouldn't take it as definite it'll be extended. I wouldn't be surprised if the guards look for the fine to be removed too, it's taking up a lot of their resources for a law/fine that they are finding hard to enforce going by the article in the Independent.ie the other day, resources that they'd probably love to use in the city centre instead, especially after last weekend and the crowds gathering.

Maybe I'm just trying to believe what I want to happen,flights booked mid June and going either way

There's logic in this approach but the Gardai won't ask for anything. Drew will just say it's fine, no issues at all and continue as is.

The airport should be getting ready as it is, they have a date for full operations to resume and the airport has gotten busier since the local restrictions ended anyway.

It would be great for me if they do drop the quarantine for vaccinated people and I'm hoping that does happen but as that's for incoming flights, I don't see it being linked to the fine.

stephenjmcd

naufragos123 wrote: »

How do you know that? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Pretty self explanatory really, non essential travel is penciled in from 19th July, therefore the barriers that impede non essential travel would likely stay in place until then. Wouldn't make sense to me to say 19th July then drop the barriers that impede it in June

Just had to wind up the refund arrangements for a much looked-forward to voyage from Alaska to Japan via Aleutian Islands and Russian Far East. The only way I'm comforting myself is by realising I'll have plenty more money back in my pocket. But nowhere to spend it, outside of wasting it on some ludicrously overpriced place in Ireland.

Tazz T

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pretty self explanatory really, non essential travel is penciled in from 19th July, therefore the barriers that impede non essential travel would likely stay in place until then.

But it expires at midnight, so theoretically you could hop on the Ryanair 6.15 to Barcelona in the morning while Donnelly is still in his scratcher and not be subject to a fine.

DSN

Is anyone actually getting fined these days curious to know this & have many (any) actually paid it?

LeeroyJ.

Loads of people already got vaccinated and from what I've gathered the HSE will be issuing the Green Cert for travel. Has anyone found out how people that already received the vaccine will be able to obtain the Cert?

speckle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just had to wind up the refund arrangements for a much looked-forward to voyage from Alaska to Japan via Aleutian Islands and Russian Far East. The only way I'm comforting myself is by realising I'll have plenty more money back in my pocket. But nowhere to spend it, outside of wasting it on some ludicrously overpriced place in Ireland.

Cool journey itinary... was it to be by independantly by boat/plane or cruise? Ive friends from Alaska...links via studying to Japan and have always wanted to visit the wilds of Russia even before watching the two on motorbikes...the long way around. Hard luck... try maybe to spend the time/money planning an even more spectacular trip for next time.

Fils

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Loads of people already got vaccinated and from what I've gathered the HSE will be issuing the Green Cert for travel. Has anyone found out how people that already received the vaccine will be able to obtain the Cert?

They are setting up a department to deal with this, ngct.

kickmark19

I am booked to fly Mexico -> Lisbon -> Dublin on July 18th. Is there any benefit in me pushing the flight back a day and arriving on July 19th instead? I have no issue doing at home quarantine for 5 days + test, just curious about my options.

Tazz T

Tazz T wrote: »

But it expires at midnight, so theoretically you could hop on the Ryanair 6.15 to Barcelona in the morning while Donnelly is still in his scratcher and not be subject to a fine.

It will be restored before midnight unless he messes up. He can extend by a week now

kickmark19

kickmark19 wrote: »

I am booked to fly Mexico -> Lisbon -> Dublin on July 18th. Is there any benefit in me pushing the flight back a day and arriving on July 19th instead? I have no issue doing at home quarantine for 5 days + test, just curious about my options.

An extra day saves hassle of you are vaccinated

LeeroyJ.

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Loads of people already got vaccinated and from what I've gathered the HSE will be issuing the Green Cert for travel. Has anyone found out how people that already received the vaccine will be able to obtain the Cert?

It's in the works but in theory, they know you are vaccinated so should be able to login and print / download the code for scanning.

I would think it makes sense to include it in the covid app

DSN

DSN wrote: »

Is anyone actually getting fined these days curious to know this & have many (any) actually paid it?

Yes and yes

naufragos123

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Why do people get so uptight about this opinion? The user, has expressed an opinion. An opinion based on the statements made by those in power.

The government knows full well that if they drop the fine, the gates are open.

Why do you get so uptight about every little thing you see in a post that you don't like?

The gates will not necessarily open as 1] it's not school holidays yet and 2] there are still so many issues around kids and tests that loads of families won't bother this year. And if the "gates will open" is still the Govt's repressive mentality it's very regrettable. They should be easing into the travel easing as another poster suggested. Not extending that fine would send a positive message that Ireland, like the rest of Europe, is looking to a brighter future and is getting ready.

Klonker

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Yes and yes

I seen how many fines given out had been mentioned in the media a few times but I haven't seen anything on the number of fines paid. How do you know fines have been paid to date?

seansouth36

Flew out of Dublin Airport on Monday morning. A long queue of cars being stopped on entry to airport; I was on Dublin Bus so dropped at entrance with no check. Two Gardai at stands just before where you scan your boarding pass. Not exactly the fifth degree:

Garda: Where are you off to?
Me: Turkey
Garda: For work is it?
Me: Yes (About to take out letter from employer)
Garda: You're grand, have a nice trip

On arrival in Turkey, no one checked my PCR result or my Turkish arrival form either in Istanbul or at any point during my connecting flight to Ankara. All very lax. Everyone in Ankara wears face masks outside, but restaurants are open. There was a curfew, and think there still is, and there's a huge amount of police checkpoints around the city - certainly a more visible reaction than in Ireland.

Will be flying to Greece in 2 weeks to escape the MHQ and Ireland's summer weather.

Marcusm

northcider85 wrote: »

It's due for debate in the Dáil this evening at 6.30pm. As the Dáil schedule mentions "to conclude within 150 mins". Might be a late one so.
I fully expect it to pass through unfortunately. Unless a group of senators / TD's band together to propose a specific amendment to the Garda powers about fines

That’s a debate on a new Act to extend the MHQ from 9 June from what I can see. The non-essential travel fine is in an SI and it should only require an SI (ie no debate or vote) to pass it.

Klonker

Klonker wrote: »

I seen how many fines given out had been mentioned in the media a few times but I haven't seen anything on the number of fines paid. How do you know fines have been paid to date?

I issue them

Foxtrol

Klonker wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure. Its more than likely going to be extended but it's not a foregone conclusion.

If it's extended to 18th July, then we'll be going from no non essential travel with a 2k fine in place for such travel and PCR tests before arrival, a do not travel advice, along with 14 day home quarentine or 5 day if get a follow up negative PCR test. To switch from this on the 18th July to the 19th July where there will be no non essential warning or fine in place, no advisory not to travel, no quarentine as long as have vaccine or PCR. The airports can't just switch on like that.

It would make sense to gradually ease, remove fine now but still a no non essential travel and do not travel advice. Maybe drop quarentine for vaccinated people in a few weeks etc., so airports can get up to speed. Now just because it makes sense doesn't mean they'll do it but I wouldn't take it as definite it'll be extended. I wouldn't be surprised if the guards look for the fine to be removed too, it's taking up a lot of their resources for a law/fine that they are finding hard to enforce going by the article in the Independent.ie the other day, resources that they'd probably love to use in the city centre instead, especially after last weekend and the crowds gathering.

Maybe I'm just trying to believe what I want to happen,flights booked mid June and going either way

This could be the case but, even without going into the reasons why they are limiting travel, I don't get this logic at all. It is like saying they should remove Garda powers to sanction pubs from opening indoors now to allow pubs to open now to allow them to slowly ramp up their business to the official date in July.

I also disagree that you can't switch an airport on like that. Airports regularly ramp up quickly for busier periods, like school holidays and Christmas, and they'll know in advance how many planes will be landing/departing in advance. There is already an increase in how busy they are. Sure there will be delays on July 19 but I don't see how turning a blind eye to people breaking the rules now would make a significant difference to this.

naufragos123

naufragos123 wrote: »

Why do you get so uptight about every little thing you see in a post that you don't like?

The gates will not necessarily open as 1] it's not school holidays yet and 2] there are still so many issues around kids and tests that loads of families won't bother this year. And if the "gates will open" is still the Govt's repressive mentality it's very regrettable. They should be easing into the travel easing as another poster suggested. Not extending that fine would send a positive message that Ireland, like the rest of Europe, is looking to a brighter future and is getting ready.

I'm not uptight or annoyed at all but again, why do people jump on posts they don't like so much? It's just an opinion of the user.

The second part of your post. No one said otherwise, no one said it wasn't sensible. In fact I agreed with that user but again, you jump, why? I'm not the government. I didn't introduce the fine

naufragos123

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I'm not uptight or annoyed at all but again, why do people jump on posts they don't like so much? It's just an opinion of the user.

The second part of your post. No one said otherwise, no one said it wasn't sensible. In fact I agreed with that user but again, you jump, why? I'm not the government. I didn't introduce the fine

I think we know who's jumping here so let's leave it there, why don't we.

Klonker

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I issue them

Sure you do.

naufragos123

naufragos123 wrote: »

I think we know who's jumping here so let's leave it there, why don't we.

Yes, it was you, you jumped on that poor chap who expressed his opinion then went on about a post that neither he nor I had disagreed with.

Chris_5339762

We still need the public sector block on non-green-list travel removed. That seems to have gone quiet - even with the ransomware it seems to have gone very quiet.

Wallander

I suspect the only thing that could prevent an extension of the fine is if the EU had a word with the government about it without our knowledge.

That's not impossible - I know a lot of complaints were submitted to them, and the government was willing to drop hotel quarantine from the EU well ahead of 19 July due to pressure from Brussels. It's also possible the EU could have been placated by the fact a date is in place to drop it. We shall see!

Chris_5339762

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

We still need the public sector block on non-green-list travel removed. That seems to have gone quiet - even with the ransomware it seems to have gone very quiet.

It was made worse in March. Cant even leave on essential business without telling our lot before

Klonker

Foxtrol wrote: »

This could be the case but, even without going into the reasons why they are limiting travel, I don't get this logic at all. It is like saying they should remove Garda powers to sanction pubs from opening indoors now to allow pubs to open now to allow them to slowly ramp up their business to the official date in July.

I also disagree that you can't switch an airport on like that. Airports regularly ramp up quickly for busier periods, like school holidays and Christmas, and they'll know in advance how many planes will be landing/departing in advance. There is already an increase in how busy they are. Sure there will be delays on July 19 but I don't see how turning a blind eye to people breaking the rules now would make a significant difference to this.

I think think going from one extreme one day (18th July) to another extreme the next (19th July) is a good plan. I think a gradual easing would be better (don't renew the fine today). The flood gates aren't going to open if the fine goes away. There was no fine last year summer, not even a test was needed then and numbers flying was still down significantly on other summers. As I said already, I think it will be renewed but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion and I don't agree that it needs to be.

Foxtrol

Klonker wrote: »

I think think going from one extreme one day (18th July) to another extreme the next (19th July) is a good plan. I think a gradual easing would be better (don't renew the fine today). The flood gates aren't going to open if the fine goes away. There was no fine last year summer, not even a test was needed then and numbers flying was still down significantly on other summers. As I said already, I think it will be renewed but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion and I don't agree that it needs to be.

It isn't the other extreme on July 19 though. There are still specific criteria that are needed to be met to travel on that day - sure a load of people on the other thread were complaining about them, especially how it makes it nearly impossible for families. That is on top of routes that have moved elsewhere and people who are just hesitant to get on a plane.

It also isn't like there'll be this unknown 'floodgates' that will open, as they'll know in advance the number of planes and an expectation on passengers to arrive.

I agree that vaccinated people should be allowed to travel now, given there is little scientific merit to stopping them, however the government didn't make that decision so why would they take away the only real means of enforcement? I can't think of another law that is treated like that - openly extending the law but at the same time stopping enforcement. They might end up doing it but I don't think it would have anything to do with the logic you're proposing.

Klonker

Foxtrol wrote: »

It isn't the other extreme on July 19 though. There are still specific criteria that are needed to be met to travel on that day - sure a load of people on the other thread were complaining about them, especially how it makes it nearly impossible for families. That is on top of routes that have moved elsewhere and people who are just hesitant to get on a plane.

It also isn't like there'll be this unknown 'floodgates' that will open, as they'll know in advance the number of planes and an expectation on passengers to arrive.

I agree that vaccinated people should be allowed to travel now, given there is little scientific merit to stopping them, however the government didn't make that decision so why would they take away the only real means of enforcement? I can't think of another law that is treated like that - openly extending the law but at the same time stopping enforcement. They might end up doing it but I don't think it would have anything to do with the logic you're proposing.

I'm saying they shouldn't extend the law so they wouldn't be extending it and not enforcing it. Anyway, I fully expect it to be renewed in the morning but I'm still holding out a bit of hope it won't.

IrishStuff09

Am I correct in reading this that the travel fine has been further extended to July 5th...?

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/


S.I. No. 267: https://assets.gov.ie/136771/9a55fc91-31c1-4f1f-a194-2b4d05a92452.pdf