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Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

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Anyone who does decide to take a trip to the Moon should understand they will be subject to Mandatory Hotel Quarantine on return. Also make sure your vaccine passport is up to date

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Foxtrol

Klonker wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure. Its more than likely going to be extended but it's not a foregone conclusion.

If it's extended to 18th July, then we'll be going from no non essential travel with a 2k fine in place for such travel and PCR tests before arrival, a do not travel advice, along with 14 day home quarentine or 5 day if get a follow up negative PCR test. To switch from this on the 18th July to the 19th July where there will be no non essential warning or fine in place, no advisory not to travel, no quarentine as long as have vaccine or PCR. The airports can't just switch on like that.

It would make sense to gradually ease, remove fine now but still a no non essential travel and do not travel advice. Maybe drop quarentine for vaccinated people in a few weeks etc., so airports can get up to speed. Now just because it makes sense doesn't mean they'll do it but I wouldn't take it as definite it'll be extended. I wouldn't be surprised if the guards look for the fine to be removed too, it's taking up a lot of their resources for a law/fine that they are finding hard to enforce going by the article in the Independent.ie the other day, resources that they'd probably love to use in the city centre instead, especially after last weekend and the crowds gathering.

Maybe I'm just trying to believe what I want to happen,flights booked mid June and going either way

This could be the case but, even without going into the reasons why they are limiting travel, I don't get this logic at all. It is like saying they should remove Garda powers to sanction pubs from opening indoors now to allow pubs to open now to allow them to slowly ramp up their business to the official date in July.

I also disagree that you can't switch an airport on like that. Airports regularly ramp up quickly for busier periods, like school holidays and Christmas, and they'll know in advance how many planes will be landing/departing in advance. There is already an increase in how busy they are. Sure there will be delays on July 19 but I don't see how turning a blind eye to people breaking the rules now would make a significant difference to this.

[Deleted User]

Klonker wrote: »

I seen how many fines given out had been mentioned in the media a few times but I haven't seen anything on the number of fines paid. How do you know fines have been paid to date?

I issue them

Marcusm

northcider85 wrote: »

It's due for debate in the Dáil this evening at 6.30pm. As the Dáil schedule mentions "to conclude within 150 mins". Might be a late one so.
I fully expect it to pass through unfortunately. Unless a group of senators / TD's band together to propose a specific amendment to the Garda powers about fines

That’s a debate on a new Act to extend the MHQ from 9 June from what I can see. The non-essential travel fine is in an SI and it should only require an SI (ie no debate or vote) to pass it.

seansouth36

Flew out of Dublin Airport on Monday morning. A long queue of cars being stopped on entry to airport; I was on Dublin Bus so dropped at entrance with no check. Two Gardai at stands just before where you scan your boarding pass. Not exactly the fifth degree:

Garda: Where are you off to?
Me: Turkey
Garda: For work is it?
Me: Yes (About to take out letter from employer)
Garda: You're grand, have a nice trip

On arrival in Turkey, no one checked my PCR result or my Turkish arrival form either in Istanbul or at any point during my connecting flight to Ankara. All very lax. Everyone in Ankara wears face masks outside, but restaurants are open. There was a curfew, and think there still is, and there's a huge amount of police checkpoints around the city - certainly a more visible reaction than in Ireland.

Will be flying to Greece in 2 weeks to escape the MHQ and Ireland's summer weather.

Klonker

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Yes and yes

I seen how many fines given out had been mentioned in the media a few times but I haven't seen anything on the number of fines paid. How do you know fines have been paid to date?

naufragos123

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Why do people get so uptight about this opinion? The user, has expressed an opinion. An opinion based on the statements made by those in power.

The government knows full well that if they drop the fine, the gates are open.

Why do you get so uptight about every little thing you see in a post that you don't like?

The gates will not necessarily open as 1] it's not school holidays yet and 2] there are still so many issues around kids and tests that loads of families won't bother this year. And if the "gates will open" is still the Govt's repressive mentality it's very regrettable. They should be easing into the travel easing as another poster suggested. Not extending that fine would send a positive message that Ireland, like the rest of Europe, is looking to a brighter future and is getting ready.

[Deleted User]

DSN wrote: »

Is anyone actually getting fined these days curious to know this & have many (any) actually paid it?

Yes and yes

[Deleted User]

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Loads of people already got vaccinated and from what I've gathered the HSE will be issuing the Green Cert for travel. Has anyone found out how people that already received the vaccine will be able to obtain the Cert?

It's in the works but in theory, they know you are vaccinated so should be able to login and print / download the code for scanning.

I would think it makes sense to include it in the covid app

[Deleted User]

kickmark19 wrote: »

I am booked to fly Mexico -> Lisbon -> Dublin on July 18th. Is there any benefit in me pushing the flight back a day and arriving on July 19th instead? I have no issue doing at home quarantine for 5 days + test, just curious about my options.

An extra day saves hassle of you are vaccinated

[Deleted User]

Tazz T wrote: »

But it expires at midnight, so theoretically you could hop on the Ryanair 6.15 to Barcelona in the morning while Donnelly is still in his scratcher and not be subject to a fine.

It will be restored before midnight unless he messes up. He can extend by a week now

kickmark19

I am booked to fly Mexico -> Lisbon -> Dublin on July 18th. Is there any benefit in me pushing the flight back a day and arriving on July 19th instead? I have no issue doing at home quarantine for 5 days + test, just curious about my options.

Fils

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Loads of people already got vaccinated and from what I've gathered the HSE will be issuing the Green Cert for travel. Has anyone found out how people that already received the vaccine will be able to obtain the Cert?

They are setting up a department to deal with this, ngct.

speckle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just had to wind up the refund arrangements for a much looked-forward to voyage from Alaska to Japan via Aleutian Islands and Russian Far East. The only way I'm comforting myself is by realising I'll have plenty more money back in my pocket. But nowhere to spend it, outside of wasting it on some ludicrously overpriced place in Ireland.

Cool journey itinary... was it to be by independantly by boat/plane or cruise? Ive friends from Alaska...links via studying to Japan and have always wanted to visit the wilds of Russia even before watching the two on motorbikes...the long way around. Hard luck... try maybe to spend the time/money planning an even more spectacular trip for next time.

LeeroyJ.

Loads of people already got vaccinated and from what I've gathered the HSE will be issuing the Green Cert for travel. Has anyone found out how people that already received the vaccine will be able to obtain the Cert?

DSN

Is anyone actually getting fined these days curious to know this & have many (any) actually paid it?

Tazz T

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pretty self explanatory really, non essential travel is penciled in from 19th July, therefore the barriers that impede non essential travel would likely stay in place until then.

But it expires at midnight, so theoretically you could hop on the Ryanair 6.15 to Barcelona in the morning while Donnelly is still in his scratcher and not be subject to a fine.

[Deleted User]

Just had to wind up the refund arrangements for a much looked-forward to voyage from Alaska to Japan via Aleutian Islands and Russian Far East. The only way I'm comforting myself is by realising I'll have plenty more money back in my pocket. But nowhere to spend it, outside of wasting it on some ludicrously overpriced place in Ireland.

stephenjmcd

naufragos123 wrote: »

How do you know that? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Pretty self explanatory really, non essential travel is penciled in from 19th July, therefore the barriers that impede non essential travel would likely stay in place until then. Wouldn't make sense to me to say 19th July then drop the barriers that impede it in June

[Deleted User]

Klonker wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure. Its more than likely going to be extended but it's not a foregone conclusion.

If it's extended to 18th July, then we'll be going from no non essential travel with a 2k fine in place for such travel and PCR tests before arrival, a do not travel advice, along with 14 day home quarentine or 5 day if get a follow up negative PCR test. To switch from this on the 18th July to the 19th July where there will be no non essential warning or fine in place, no advisory not to travel, no quarentine as long as have vaccine or PCR. The airports can't just switch on like that.

It would make sense to gradually ease, remove fine now but still a no non essential travel and do not travel advice. Maybe drop quarentine for vaccinated people in a few weeks etc., so airports can get up to speed. Now just because it makes sense doesn't mean they'll do it but I wouldn't take it as definite it'll be extended. I wouldn't be surprised if the guards look for the fine to be removed too, it's taking up a lot of their resources for a law/fine that they are finding hard to enforce going by the article in the Independent.ie the other day, resources that they'd probably love to use in the city centre instead, especially after last weekend and the crowds gathering.

Maybe I'm just trying to believe what I want to happen,flights booked mid June and going either way

There's logic in this approach but the Gardai won't ask for anything. Drew will just say it's fine, no issues at all and continue as is.

The airport should be getting ready as it is, they have a date for full operations to resume and the airport has gotten busier since the local restrictions ended anyway.

It would be great for me if they do drop the quarantine for vaccinated people and I'm hoping that does happen but as that's for incoming flights, I don't see it being linked to the fine.

[Deleted User]

naufragos123 wrote: »

How do you know that? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Why do people get so uptight about this opinion? The user, has expressed an opinion. An opinion based on the statements made by those in power.

The government knows full well that if they drop the fine, the gates are open.

[Deleted User]

Feria40 wrote: »

Think it may be midnight tonight it expires..? Could yet be a last second job from Donnelly

Last time it didn't show up online until the afternoon but he had signed it that morning.

Chris_5339762

Tazz T wrote: »

I note the Independent is now calling one of the the Indian variants, the 'Delta' variant. That now officially makes it a 'scariant'. I'd expect more of these names, becoming increasingly more terrifying as numbers drop. DublinLive will have a field day: 'Reopening under threat at Delta death variant doubles in a week. Dublin doomed.'

Imagine DublinLive foaming at the mouth once we get to the Omega variant. They'll combust :pac:

[Deleted User]

Tazz T wrote: »

I note the Independent is now calling one of the the Indian variants, the 'Delta' variant. That now officially makes it a 'scariant'. I'd expect more of these names, becoming increasingly more terrifying as numbers drop. DublinLive will have a field day: 'Reopening under threat at Delta death variant doubles in a week. Dublin doomed.'

I have no idea what this post means but variants are now being named after the letters of the Greek alphabet.

Tazz T

Valhallapt wrote: »

But but the Martian variant....

Trips to Mars were never banned, you can travel to Mars for essential reasons, no one is going to turn you around at the spaceport.

You won’t get the 2K fine if your trip is for essential reasons, so the fine won’t prevent you going to Mars.

I note the Independent is now calling one of the the Indian variants, the 'Delta' variant. That now officially makes it a 'scariant'. I'd expect more of these names, becoming increasingly more terrifying as numbers drop. DublinLive will have a field day: 'Reopening under threat at Delta death variant doubles in a week. Dublin doomed.'

Klonker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't get your hopes up, it's absolutely going to be extended until July, it'll likely expire at 23:59 on the 18th

I wouldn't be so sure. Its more than likely going to be extended but it's not a foregone conclusion.

If it's extended to 18th July, then we'll be going from no non essential travel with a 2k fine in place for such travel and PCR tests before arrival, a do not travel advice, along with 14 day home quarentine or 5 day if get a follow up negative PCR test. To switch from this on the 18th July to the 19th July where there will be no non essential warning or fine in place, no advisory not to travel, no quarentine as long as have vaccine or PCR. The airports can't just switch on like that.

It would make sense to gradually ease, remove fine now but still a no non essential travel and do not travel advice. Maybe drop quarentine for vaccinated people in a few weeks etc., so airports can get up to speed. Now just because it makes sense doesn't mean they'll do it but I wouldn't take it as definite it'll be extended. I wouldn't be surprised if the guards look for the fine to be removed too, it's taking up a lot of their resources for a law/fine that they are finding hard to enforce going by the article in the Independent.ie the other day, resources that they'd probably love to use in the city centre instead, especially after last weekend and the crowds gathering.

Maybe I'm just trying to believe what I want to happen,flights booked mid June and going either way

northcider85

It's due for debate in the Dáil this evening at 6.30pm. As the Dáil schedule mentions "to conclude within 150 mins". Might be a late one so.
I fully expect it to pass through unfortunately. Unless a group of senators / TD's band together to propose a specific amendment to the Garda powers about fines

naufragos123

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Don't get your hopes up, it's absolutely going to be extended until July, it'll likely expire at 23:59 on the 18th

How do you know that? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Marcusm

faceman wrote: »

The last time it was extended they did it on the expiry day so don’t get excited until this evening

The prior SI was on the day before (9 May) although not effectively published until 10/5. We will have to wait until then end of today at least and possibly tomorrow before there is any sort of clarity.

faceman

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So no Statutory Instrument as of yet to extend the €2,000 fine. Are we in the clear?

The last time it was extended they did it on the expiry day so don’t get excited until this evening

M_Murphy57

Valhallapt wrote: »

Do they have to renew before it expires, or can it be expired a few days then extended?

Not sure, does it depend on the extension of his other super powers?