Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

thebronze14

https://www.facebook.com/events/401627094524804/?acontext=%7B%22event_action_history%22%3A[%7B%22mechanism%22%3A%22search_results%22%2C%22surface%22%3A%22search%22%7D]%2C%22ref_notif_type%22%3Anull%7D

Not sure if the link works but seems like the first I've heard of a protest. Monday 2pm

aziz

b0nk1e wrote: »

Five steps to reforming NPHET:

1. You can be a media star or an NPHET member, not both.
2. No more than one NPHET member from the same organisation (there are currently 24 members who work in just two offices).
3. Nobody may serve on NPHET for more than three months at a time.
4. NPHET members' salaries suspended during any period in which they advise any sector of the economy to be banned.
5. NPHET meetings to be recorded and made publicly available. No more sneaking back from leave to undermine the elected government.

And maybe have one deputy CMO, not six

Tchaikovsky

Let's all make sure that Tony is first to be voted off Dancing with the Stars next year, that'll show him.

1992ChainGang

1992ChainGang wrote: »

Heard Michael on the news there saying he's open to alternatives... first signs of backtracking hopefully

I presume he means alternatives that NPHET recommend.

Ballynally

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

All of that was true last October (hell even last summer when Tony went on a personal crusade to stop any foreign travel in complete contradiction to what the fúcking elected government of the country were saying about it) and nothing was done about it. They've only got worse and MM has handed full reign of the country over to them. There is no saving or restructuring NPHET they're rotten at the core and need to go. There may still be a global pandemic going on but they're not helping the country deal with that so what is the point in keeping them around?

That's it. Im going back to Holland asap and have my chips and mayo in my favourite pub in the Jordaan w me dutch mates.
Oh, btw, mr Royale. In Holland there are basically 5 options to go w chips: 1 mayo, 2 ketchup, 3 mayo+ketchup, 4, mayo, ketchup and onions (speciaal),5 mayo and peanut sauce (oorlog/war). Delicious!

gozunda

ecoli3136 wrote: »

So, if what you say is even true, they have a pointless system that allows hospitality businesses to open for indoor service, as opposed to us, who have a pointless system that doesn't.
Go Netherlands!

edit: hmmmmmm I think you should contact the Dutch government and tell them they need to update the information on their website as it seems vastly different from what you have said, by reference to what you have omitted (presumably you just didn't know about these additional measures they have put in place to allow for re-opening I mean you'd never have deliberately left them out of your post, no matter!):...

Lol. So you don't believe me or is it no sense of humour? No matter :pac:

But nope and you're incorrect. See below for full details of what was posted if you don't want to believe anyone. Btw you seem to have jumped straight over the relevant "You perform health checks on your visitors and ask them to register" link in your text dump.

https://business.gov.nl/regulation/corona-health-checks/

And as much as I like to write an entire essay for you on every single nuance of the Dutch system - the comment was simply a reply regarding health checks to a previous skit And no I still pity anyone having to work with that...

But you know that already...

agoodpunt

since the yesterday haven heard 1 person support the discission and none of them are in the businesses effected
delta mehole

M_Murphy57

Please let this be the start of these ****ing idiots backpedaling their way out of this. Almost makes it sound like the "pause" was part of a carefully laid plan

https://www.thejournal.ie/hospitality-antigen-testing-5481608-Jun2021/

"OTHER MEASURES SUCH as antigen testing and ventilation will be looked at by government in a bid to get indoor hospitality reopened.

They pointed out that government is deviating from NPHET advice when it comes to international travel and it can do so again on antigen testing.

The pause for a few weeks is being seen as an appropriate time for the government to assess how thins pan out in Scotland and Britain when it comes to the Delta variant"

bear1

Jesus

funnydoggy

Bsharp wrote: »

I wish to express my dissatisfaction with you, and your party, for the quality of governance being provided.

My faith in Nphet being able to consider potential future scenarios that are within reasonable parameters is lost. Potential for over 700,000 cases and 2,000 deaths in 3 months from where we are now; inexplicable. Think of the sizes of towns and villages in Ireland to facilitate this level of transmission when vaccination, those with covid already, population dispersion and other restrictions such as WFH are in place. It doesn't stack up.

In addition, watching government kite flying, spin and mismanagement over the last several days means I've also lost faith in the government's ability to effectively guide us out of this in a sustainable way.

The fact that no alternatives had even been considered, and you're at the mercy of last minute decisions by NPHET, demonstrates how poorly you, as part of the government, is serving the public.

You can use that if you want

Okay I emailed.. I used your initial template but blew it up.. now there are a few paragraphs of me ranting :pac:

M_Murphy57

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Please let this be the start of these ****ing idiots back peddling their way out of this. Almost makes it sound like the "pause" was part of a carefully laid plan

https://www.thejournal.ie/hospitality-antigen-testing-5481608-Jun2021/

"OTHER MEASURES SUCH as antigen testing and ventilation will be looked at by government in a bid to get indoor hospitality reopened.

They pointed out that government is deviating from NPHET advice when it comes to international travel and it can do so again on antigen testing.

The pause for a few weeks is being seen as an appropriate time for the government to assess how thins pan out in Scotland and Britain when it comes to the Delta variant"

Furthermore, the NPHET conferences have to stop.

Michael Martin should actually be a leader, for once, and overrule NPHET and come up with more creative solutions.

But having concurrent NPHET conferences will only serve to air Holohan's grievances. He can advise government, but that can be kept behind closed doors.

TomSweeney

GPoint wrote: »

That's an easy one, they will see dark clouds of vaccine resistant variant on the horizon.

Also don't forget that vaccines will not provide lifetime immunity, there was already talk about boosters so that will also be counted in.

So basically this will never end ....

M_Murphy57

funnydoggy wrote: »

Okay I emailed.. I used your initial template but blew it up.. now there are a few paragraphs of me ranting :pac:

If the govt are wobbly enough to be talking publically about allowing evil antigen tests to let us into evil pubs to go mad on the demon drink they must be really spooked.

I suggest everyone reading this thread email your TDs . If we don't apply pressure with the threat of losing voters then Tony will just apply the electrodes to MM's wotzits again to remind him whose the real boss, MM wil cave and we will be back to where we started.

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

Okay I emailed.. I used your initial template but blew it up.. now there are a few paragraphs of me ranting :pac:

Likewise, emailed my local representative just now.

I added to that statement, too, arguing that the three major parties are heading for electoral oblivion if they continue this irrational, supine prostration to the NPHET organism.

Keyzer

Martin, Varadkar and Donnelly are equal parts hopelessly inept and stupid.

The conversation about antigen testing should have gone something like this:

Tony: "I don't think we should use antigen testing because <insert ridiculous reason>
MVD: "Why not Tony, lots of other countries are using them, why cant we?"
Tony: "<insert ridiculous reason>"
MVD: "Listen Tony, we're implementing antigen testing whether you like it or not because, guess what, your the Chief Medical Officer. We, on the other hand, are leading the country you report to us. So we've heard what you had to say and we're going to go against your advice. Grab your coat on the way out"

Tony leaves the room...

MVD: "Fúcking idiot..."

funnydoggy

Was able to get MM, Michael McGrath and Simon Coveney. Cork South Central. They got a strongly worded email.

funnydoggy

Keyzer wrote: »

Martin, Varadkar and Donnelly are equal parts hopelessly inept and stupid.

The conversation about antigen testing should have gone something like this:

Tony: "I don't think we should use antigen testing because <insert ridiculous reason>
MVD: "Why not Tony, lots of other countries are using them, why cant we?"
Tony: "<insert ridiculous reason>"
MVD: "Listen Tony, we're implementing antigen testing whether you like it or not because, guess what, your the Chief Medical Officer. We, on the other hand, are leading the country you report to us. So we've heard what you had to say and we're going to go against your advice. Grab your coat on the way out"

Tony leaves the room...

MVD: "Fúcking idiot..."

Instead it probably went like this:

Ballynally

Ballynally wrote: »

That's it. Im going back to Holland asap and have my chips and mayo in my favourite pub in the Jordaan w me dutch mates.
Oh, btw, mr Royale. In Holland there are basically 5 options to go w chips: 1 mayo, 2 ketchup, 3 mayo+ketchup, 4, mayo, ketchup and onions (speciaal),5 mayo and peanut sauce (oorlog/war). Delicious!

Same here, cant wait to go back. For me its De Pijp, cant wait to eat my way up and down the market.

oh to travel again...

gozunda

b0nk1e wrote: »

Five steps to reforming NPHET:

1. You can be a media star or an NPHET member, not both.
2. No more than one NPHET member from the same organisation (there are currently 24 members who work in just two offices).
3. Nobody may serve on NPHET for more than three months at a time.
4. NPHET members' salaries suspended during any period in which they advise any sector of the economy to be banned.
5. NPHET meetings to be recorded and made publicly available. No more sneaking back from leave to undermine the elected government.

Well ok though I'd suggest we simply get rid of them all and replace them with a number of well informed experts from boards

But anyway I don't know about recorded but the minutes of the meetings are already publicly available online. Here you go

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/691330-national-public-health-emergency-team-covid-19-coronavirus/

funnydoggy

"Good afternoon ****,

I wish to acknowledge your email to Minister Simon Coveney T.D regarding the restrictions for indoor dining, announced yesterday, and housing. The Minister has asked me to confirm that he has noted your genuine concerns here and will, of course, relay same to his Cabinet colleagues for consideration.

Kind regards,
Catherine

Catherine O’Donoghue

Office of Simon Coveney T.D
Minister for Foreign Affairs & Minister for Defence"



Hooray for not getting an automated response!

EDIT: Although it may have been automated as I didn't say anything about housing :pac:

Rumour is circulating on social media that Tony is open to indoor hospitality opening, on the modest condition that all pub/bar TVs permanently display the image of him being presented with the Freedom of Dublin Award.

is_that_so

funnydoggy wrote: »

Okay I emailed.. I used your initial template but blew it up.. now there are a few paragraphs of me ranting :pac:

But do you feel better?

CalamariFritti

Boggles wrote: »

You better inform those 60 odd countries so.

You may need to explain how you know better though.

Like I posted earlier. UK is monitoring delta since February and both the data and their roadmap appear to indicate that the threat is negligible.

funnydoggy

is_that_so wrote: »

But do you feel better?

I do!

"Hit the pillow"

facehugger99

Keyzer wrote: »

Martin, Varadkar and Donnelly are equal parts hopelessly inept and stupid.

The conversation about antigen testing should have gone something like this:

Tony: "I don't think we should use antigen testing because <insert ridiculous reason>
MVD: "Why not Tony, lots of other countries are using them, why cant we?"
Tony: "<insert ridiculous reason>"
MVD: "Listen Tony, we're implementing antigen testing whether you like it or not because, guess what, your the Chief Medical Officer. We, on the other hand, are leading the country you report to us. So we've heard what you had to say and we're going to go against your advice. Grab your coat on the way out"

MVD: "Oh and Tony, the next time you or any of your lackeys leak anything to the press we're going to break your legs - you've been warned"

Responder XY

I started to try and re-model the 700k figure in 3 months - I heard someone on the radio (might have been Sam McConkey, but not 100% sure) say that the basis was a doubling every 10 days of Delta cases as that was observed once in some part of the UK. So I started there. Then I finished, because that's all they seem to have done.

Once they publish the list of assumptions I'm expecting it will be very short. It's completely outlandish to say cases will double every 10 days for 3 months and nothing will change! Clearly that's not going to happen! Takes no account of vaccinated people, takes no account of seasonality, takes no account that during those 3 months more people will get vaccinated, takes no account of the fact that even if we started to see doubling every 10 days, behaviour would very quickly adopt in the population.

I'm so disgusted that analysis like that even got presented. If that happened in the private sector you'd never get to present analysis again.

namloc1980

I also sent an email to my TDs. Have never in my life felt the need to contact a public rep until this week.

Loafing Oaf

funnydoggy wrote: »

Was able to get MM, Michael McGrath and Simon Coveney. Cork South Central. They got a strongly worded email.

I wonder how they've TAKEN that...

Quags

Jim O'Callaghan got back to me

"The letter from the NPHET seems to suggest that over the next three months we could see 682,000 cases of Covid with 2170 deaths and nearly 13,000 hospital admissions. I find such a prediction hard to believe.

Also, I note that in the UK the Delta variant is not at present resulting in significantly increased hospitalisations. In Scotland there were 3000 cases yesterday but the health minister has decided that they do not need to re-impose restrictions because the link between cases and hospitalisations has been dramatically altered."

stateofflux

Indo has a story saying MM rang Nicola Sturgeon about Delta.

“I spoke (on Tuesday) with Nicola Sturgeon First Minister of Scotland and she used a very telling phrase. She said Delta will rip through an unvaccinated population." -MM

Sturgeon has Zero medical background. My 15 year old springer spaniel would know as much about epidemiological forecasting. She is a serious hardliner, not surprised she got a call.