Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

HildaOgdenx

retro:electro wrote: »

So we lockdown initially to protect the elderly and vulnerable, now the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated and they get to live the high life indoors while the ones to sacrificed everything in order to protect them have to sit outside like the great unwashed in case it spreads to who exactly? In what world does that make any sense. Riddle me that

And restaurants etc could allow us indoors, at various times, last year, when nobody was vaccinated.

This is beyond crazy, what has happened. :mad:
NPHET must be in government now, I don't remember voting for any of them strangely enough.

And the ****ing hse ads on the radio, that's the line we were being fed in March 2020. Jesus wept.

namloc1980

charlie14 wrote: »

Even Philip Nolan would be correct in pointing out that a bucket that leaks 50% of water was not fit for purpose.

He's one of the only public health officials in Europe who not only is against antigen tests, but thinks they are in fact "snake oil". Why is Philip right and everyone else is wrong?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

So an inconvenient fact has upset you and you have went straight to insults.

Okay.

Have a great day too.

Clear off good man, nobody wants to read your trash anymore

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Atm we have temporary restrictions. They are not permanent.

Tomorrow we will enter the eighth month of the two weeks of restrictions.

MOR316

charlie14 wrote: »

Even Philip Nolan would be correct in pointing out that a bucket that leaks 50% of water was not fit for purpose.

So testing used all around Europe, recommended by some of the best medical professionals in the world, that has reduced case numbers and allowed people to live their lives relatively normal, are not fit for purpose because Philip Nolan, a lecturer in Maynooth, a guy who is not qualified to create these models and whose models have been wrong on many occasions, says so?


OK...

I'd have guessed it was something to do with his colleague Cillian De Gascun but, yeah...

timmyntc

charlie14 wrote: »

Even Philip Nolan would be correct in pointing out that a bucket that leaks 50% of water was not fit for purpose.

A bucket that leaks 50% of water vs no bucket at all

I think I'd choose the bucket.

TomsOnTheRoof

MOR316 wrote: »

Simon Harris says they'll open...He's the minister and he would want to show some backbone!
NPHET have no right to be making those kind of decisions! Disgusting shower!

I really hope they do but at this stage I haven't much hope.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

In regard to the passports (which won't happen). When do NPHET propose ending it? 3 months time, 6 months? A year?

What happens in a year's time, will restaurants/pubs start turning away people if they forgot their little card? Not a chance.

And will there be extra restrictions for those who haven't had their booster jab in 1-2 years. It's unworkable bollox

& I presume people from other jurisdictions (such as Northern Ireland) would be exempt

Jinglejangle69

RTE have a cheerleader on now from England saying NHPET are correct.

Nice bit of propaganda.

OwenM

MOR316 wrote: »

Simon Harris says they'll open...He's the minister and he would want to show some backbone!
NPHET have no right to be making those kind of decisions! Disgusting shower!

Harris was one the most fawning of NPHET. I remember a radio interview from last year, practically shouting

"...and we absolutely will be bound by public health advice"

Multipass

Unthought Known wrote: »

Tell a 20 year old, perfectly fit, at virtually zero risk of illness, why they "need" to get vaccinated. You'll be forcing them to wear an armband next.

To make the vaccinated vulnerable feel safer whilst they’re out doing all the more risky fun stuff in life. Happy for the young at no risk to have their freedom curtailed.
This has shown what a generation of utterly selfish, me feiners the Irish over 50s are.

MOR316

OwenM wrote: »

Harris was one the most fawning of NPHET. I remember a radio interview from last year, practically shouting

He's another tosser anyways

Tenger

Richard Hillman wrote: »

In regard to the passports (which won't happen). When do NPHET propose ending it? 3 months time, 6 months? A year?

What happens in a year's time, will restaurants/pubs start turning away people if they forgot their little card? Not a chance.

And will there be extra restrictions for those who haven't had their booster jab in 1-2 years. It's unworkable bollox

Considering that Ireland isnt even able to have the DCC system in place (as the other 26 EU member have done) with 2 months notice I cant see them getting any type of "green pass" system in place before the end of July.

Israel had a green pass in place for bars,cafes and restaurants. But they scrapped it after 3 months once ICU numbers and daily death had plummeted to single digits. By that point business and individuals stopped caring about the pass.

is_that_so

OwenM wrote: »

Harris was one the most fawning of NPHET. I remember a radio interview from last year, practically shouting

They weren't on mandatory quarantine, time and again they said no to NPHET and were proved right!

PTH2009

NPHET could easily manipulate figures to prove their point

Who's going to be standing up to them ? Nobody

FlubberJones

Multipass wrote: »

To make the vaccinated vulnerable feel safer whilst they’re out doing all the more risky fun stuff in life. Happy for the young at no risk to have their freedom curtailed.
This has shown what a generation of utterly selfish, me feiners the Irish over 50s are.

Ugh... WHO CARES.... I've had it with restrictions to protect someone else... I have ZERO interest in them

TomsOnTheRoof

Drifter50 wrote: »

Fair play to you. More of us regular folk need to demand much much more from our elected politicians

Sadly it doesn't seem to have done anything. Very easy to see how people become apathetic towards politics.

bucketybuck

charlie14 wrote: »

Even Philip Nolan would be correct in pointing out that a bucket that leaks 50% of water was not fit for purpose.

If your boat was sinking you would still use that bucket to bail out some water, rather than sit there doing nothing.

Stormyteacup

Johns nephew wrote: »

& I presume people from other jurisdictions (such as Northern Ireland) would be exempt

Very good point - hadn’t considered that..

System will have to be digital and linked to travel cert then for sure.

Means a mobile app/scanners in hospitality. And rolled out to all hospitality before 19th July.
Not a chance.

GiftofGab

Question: What are the consequences for NPHET if their modelling is wrong??

Answer: Zero for NEPHET but huge consequences for the publican's, hospitality sector, small business, mental healt and the freedom/liberty of the youth of this country.

I would love to see businesses sue NEPHET for loss of business when all this is over..everyone can see that their modelling is so catastrophically wrong

TomSweeney

jakiah wrote: »

The LOI trials were a success, they have increased allowed attendance by 100 people.

One hundred.

Would you even get 100 people at a LOI match ?

niallo27

Listening to Leo this morning the depressing fact is, this is not a 2 or 3 week delay, this is a 2 or 3 week delay until they figure out what the next step is. He mentioned September this morning and that Mark cagney **** over everything nphet said.

funnydoggy

GiftofGab wrote: »

Question: What are the consequences for NPHET if their modelling is wrong??

Answer: Zero for NEPHET but huge consequences for the publican's, hospitality sector, small business, mental healt and the freedom/liberty of the youth pf this country.

And when COVID is over, NPHET will be hailed as saviours.

Why is hospitality considered one uniform block?

For instance: cafes and restaurants do not need to be fully jam packed inside to operate safely and effectively.

This isn't the same with pubs, which cram as many people inside as possible.

There were ways, at least, where some hospitality could have reopened safely and more risky hospitality delayed.

I'd rather the whole lot be reopened but they could at least have taken a partial approach rather than kicking the entire industry into the long grass yet again.

HerrKapitan

TomSweeney wrote: »

Would you even get 100 people at a LOI match ?

RTE news did a comparison between Denmarks full stadium and LOI Stadiumsa couple of days ago, giving public health reasons why we can't have 25,000 at a game. What world the reporter was on I don't know.

MOR316

niallo27 wrote: »

Listening to Leo this morning the depressing fact is, this is not a 2 or 3 week delay, this is a 2 or 3 week delay until they figure out what the next step is. He mentioned September this morning and that Mark cagney **** over everything nphet said.

Stopped reading there

ThunbergsAreGo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why is hospitality considered one uniform block?

For instance: cafes and restaurants do not need to be fully jam packed inside to operate safely and effectively.

This isn't the same with pubs, which cram as many people inside as possible.

There were ways, at least, where some hospitality could have reopened safely and more risky hospitality delayed.

I'd rather the whole lot be reopened but they could at least have taken a partial approach rather than kicking the entire industry into the long grass yet again.

Absolutely no idea, it's crazy

TomSweeney

Elessar wrote: »

Everyone is aware that indoor dining won't be happening before the schools go back right?

The vaccine passport for the elites isn't going to work and if it ever does it will be a complete shambles.

Protecting the schools will be the next priority. This is clear as day from the NPHET letter.

We should be marching in the hundreds of thousands on leinster house.

And the problem is, even if indoor dining comes back in September, then we are heading into autumn and traditional flu season, so I can't see it staying open for long - if it opens at all.


shambles.

Loafing Oaf

MOR316 wrote: »

Stopped reading there

You only had five more words to read, why not finish it out?

Widescreen

FlubberJones wrote: »

Ugh... WHO CARES.... I've had it with restrictions to protect someone else... I have ZERO interest in them

The restrictions are mainly to prevent the hospitals being over run. COVID isn't the only illness and over 50's aren't the only ones to get it and suffer badly from it.