Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

pc7

Thanks to HellR for a list of all TDs etc for people to email, it is the only to get their attention at this point.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117491157&postcount=2019

They say "rip through the population" as if it were a bad thing.

It's exactly what you want to happen, in a controlled manner, as the vast majority of people are vaccinated and only the younger cohorts remain -- who, if we are honest, largely come out unscathed.

M_Murphy57

Responder XY wrote: »

I started to try and re-model the 700k figure in 3 months - I heard someone on the radio (might have been Sam McConkey, but not 100% sure) say that the basis was a doubling every 10 days of Delta cases as that was observed once in some part of the UK. So I started there. Then I finished, because that's all they seem to have done.

Once they publish the list of assumptions I'm expecting it will be very short. It's completely outlandish to say cases will double every 10 days for 3 months and nothing will change! Clearly that's not going to happen! Takes no account of vaccinated people, takes no account of seasonality, takes no account that during those 3 months more people will get vaccinated, takes no account of the fact that even if we started to see doubling every 10 days, behaviour would very quickly adopt in the population.

I'm so disgusted that analysis like that even got presented. If that happened in the private sector you'd never get to present analysis again.

Its like something an intern produced that they should've been sent back to the drawing board with, not presented to the Taoiseach.

MOH

Multipass wrote: »

To make the vaccinated vulnerable feel safer whilst they’re out doing all the more risky fun stuff in life. Happy for the young at no risk to have their freedom curtailed.
This has shown what a generation of utterly selfish, me feiners the Irish over 50s are.

You could equally say that if so many utterly selfish young me feiners weren't ignoring restrictions all along and contributing massively to the spread of covid, we wouldn't be in this situation. Oh, what a massively selfish generation the under 30s are.

Or you could not make massive sweeping divisive generalisations and direct your anger at the real enemy, which disturbingly is the Irish government and the unelected muppets they appointed and now hide behind.

0ph0rce0

Eamonn with the mask "life hacks" :pac:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1410170202852057093

pc7

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Eamonn with the mask "life hacks" :pac:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1410170202852057093

If you look up Muppet in the dictionary I am sure his face would show :pac: sweet suffering baby Jebus he is a plonker.

M_Murphy57

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They say "rip through the population" as if it were a bad thing.

It's exactly what you want to happen, in a controlled manner, as the vast majority of people are vaccinated and only the younger cohorts remain -- who, if we are honest, largely come out unscathed.

Its the quickest root for young people to get to the pub too, if they go ahead with the apartheid of "vaccinated or recovered only".

Their stupid little idea actually incentives young people to mix in the hope of testing positive and getting their freedom back quicker.

And thats something I believe they'd do before putting butter on their antigen tests.

Vicxas

pc7 wrote: »

Thanks to HellR for a list of all TDs etc for people to email, it is the only to get their attention at this point.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117491157&postcount=2019

I seen someone mention a template, can someone send it on to me please

Quags

Vicxas wrote: »

I seen someone mention a template, can someone send it on to me please

I used this;

Dear All,

I wish to express my dissatisfaction with you, and your party, for the quality of governance being provided.

My faith in Nphet being able to consider potential future scenarios that are within reasonable parameters is lost. Potential for over 700,000 cases and 2,000 deaths in 3 months from where we are now; inexplicable. Think of the sizes of towns and villages in Ireland to facilitate this level of transmission when vaccination, those with covid already, population dispersion and other restrictions such as WFH are in place. It doesn't stack up.

In addition, watching government kite flying, spin and mismanagement over the last several days means I've also lost faith in the government's ability to effectively guide us out of this in a sustainable way.

The fact that no alternatives had even been considered, and you're at the mercy of last minute decisions by NPHET, demonstrates how poorly you, as part of the government, are serving the public.

Regards

Larbre34

On that Scotland issue. 2,000 or so travelled to London for the game V England, either to attend the match, or to watch it elsewhere in the City with others.

1,200 of them are now infected.

Say what you like, this bugger is infectious like wildfire. I don't entertain anyone who uses deaths as a metric of success, but it would be churlish to ignore the risk to our hospitals of an explosion of cases once again.

funnydoggy

https://twitter.com/robertburke84/status/1410198070718042112

:pac: :pac:

funnydoggy

Also:

RTÉ to cut €1.5 million from news and current affairs budget as part of cost cutting effort:
https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-news-current-affairs-budget-cuts-5481738-Jun2021/

Can only be a good thing!

HerrKapitan

TomSweeney wrote: »

How will they justify winter lockdowns with the vaccination rates as they will be ?

The rising tide of people in need of boosters.

Murph85

This image sums up the situation pretty well...

1992ChainGang

September or beyond....:rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-would-have-recommended-indoor-dining-stay-closed-until-end-of-september-or-beyondbut-for-vaccine-pass-says-cmo-40598801.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR3bGYC2gNMZ1KNplYLOT7eP-2b_p7Z5oIHTEbzPiLwwrX2-p6TSEtULqUE

keano_afc

Aren't we so lucky to have NPHET.

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1410251942991904769?s=20

PTH2009

Larbre34 wrote: »

On that Scotland issue. 2,000 or so travelled to London for the game V England, either to attend the match, or to watch it elsewhere in the City with others.

1,200 of them are now infected.

Say what you like, this bugger is infectious like wildfire. I don't entertain anyone who uses deaths as a metric of success, but it would be churlish to ignore the risk to our hospitals of an explosion of cases once again.

Great that will add fuel to the fire for the pro restrictions lot

1992ChainGang

1992ChainGang wrote: »

September or beyond....:rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-would-have-recommended-indoor-dining-stay-closed-until-end-of-september-or-beyondbut-for-vaccine-pass-says-cmo-40598801.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR3bGYC2gNMZ1KNplYLOT7eP-2b_p7Z5oIHTEbzPiLwwrX2-p6TSEtULqUE

This is the worst part:

Dr Tony Holohan told a briefing on Wednesday the Delta wave “is coming, we know it’s coming” and that it will not be over within four weeks.

Yet no imagination taken by NPHET or the Government in the weeks leading up to what was an inevitable decision by them. No pass created. Nothing.

Instead, an 11th-hour meeting and something or other to be decided within 3-weeks.

It's a total lack of leadership and creativity.

It's infuriating. :mad:

Murph85

Open up, if the numbers are bad, lockdown again to current level. Its certainly better than the farce they came up with yesterday... yoh see after a year, they still think there are easy options or a lightbulb moment is just around the corner with an easy way out...

TomTomTim

1992ChainGang wrote: »

September or beyond....:rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-would-have-recommended-indoor-dining-stay-closed-until-end-of-september-or-beyondbut-for-vaccine-pass-says-cmo-40598801.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR3bGYC2gNMZ1KNplYLOT7eP-2b_p7Z5oIHTEbzPiLwwrX2-p6TSEtULqUE

If this does happen, I'd be seriously concerned about our freedoms in the long run, as there's no possible way to end this based on the incredibly high standards they've set for freedom. They can constantly use fear and fear alone to keep us in our place.

Whiplash85

This should be a penalty kick now to get Antigen in. When that happens the fixation on cases and modelling will be over.

Rosita

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We don’t have an unvaccinated population Micheál.

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You're hardly claiming that everyone's been vaccinated?

HerrKapitan

TomTomTim wrote: »

If this does happen, I'd be seriously concerned about our freedoms in the long run, as there's no possible way to end this based on the incredibly high standards they've set for freedom. They can constantly use fear and fear alone to keep us in our place.

This is more for the King Mob and Dohnjoe forum.

landofthetree

We arent going back to normal till 95% of people from aged 0+ are vaccinated if we let Nphet stay in charge.

SAGE in the UK are already pushing for it.

We are in a very bad place.

stateofflux

Larbre34 wrote: »

On that Scotland issue. 2,000 or so travelled to London for the game V England, either to attend the match, or to watch it elsewhere in the City with others.

1,200 of them are now infected.

Say what you like, this bugger is infectious like wildfire. I don't entertain anyone who uses deaths as a metric of success, but it would be churlish to ignore the risk to our hospitals of an explosion of cases once again.

The point is we have not seen accurate risk forecasting against the volume of Vaccinations.

Case numbers mean sweet FA to me unless they are hospitalizations.

There has to be proportionality here, plus Logic and common sense. None of these 3 things are on display with recent govt announcements. I simply don't buy it without more data / proof.

is_that_so

1992ChainGang wrote: »

September or beyond....:rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nphet-would-have-recommended-indoor-dining-stay-closed-until-end-of-september-or-beyondbut-for-vaccine-pass-says-cmo-40598801.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR3bGYC2gNMZ1KNplYLOT7eP-2b_p7Z5oIHTEbzPiLwwrX2-p6TSEtULqUE

Things to be grateful for?

M_Murphy57

keano_afc wrote: »

Aren't we so lucky to have NPHET.

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1410251942991904769?s=20

Blackmailing people into taking vaccines is another way to put it.

Holding business owners livelihoods hostage to force the government to implement vaccine discrimination is another again.

UK reporting 26,068 new cases of COVID-19 with an additional 14 deaths.

Taking population into account, that's the equivalent of approx. 2,000 cases here and 1 death. And they are several weeks ahead of us with 95% of new cases being the Indian Variant.

We really are being WAY too cautious!

frink

Got my 1st dose vaccine this morning and grateful for it. Following the announcement yesterday, I had to ask myself what is the point

Quags

keano_afc wrote: »

Aren't we so lucky to have NPHET.

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1410251942991904769?s=20

My god, they really are trying to destroy the country