Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

showpony1

seamus wrote: »

NPHET didn't organise those events.

You'd want to be directing your questions at the minister for arts.

sounds like an artshole

OwenM

seamus wrote: »

NPHET didn't organise those events.

You'd want to be directing your questions at the minister for arts.

The pilot events are simply a way of being seen to do something with out actually doing anything useful 'abundance of caution', 'safety first', 'need to gather data'

A minister with any ambition or effectiveness would have pushed hard for antigen tests to allow capacity or near crowds to make them financially viable. I read a tweet over the weekend about a venue selling tickets for a gig in September in pods of 4 or 6 and it rally makes me despair.

_Kaiser_

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Another sports event lost as Ireland can't guarantee a crowd for the PDC darts in LATE OCTOBER

Ah FFS. Have gone to that the last few times with a mate and it's a great night.

Wolf359f

the kelt wrote: »

Nearly 1000 less cases in Scotland today compared to last Monday. 2,372 today, 3,285 7 days ago.

Dont suppose MM wants to ring Nicola Sturgeon again seeing as he claimed he had spoken to her before deciding to delay opening a week ago citing Scotland numbers etc?

A week ago it was look at Scotland, look at Scotland, im sure that will probably have to be changed now.

Didn't Scotland have issues reporting cases over that weekend, resulting in a larger than normal case count the following Monday?

Gearoid88

Has the number of anti maskers increased or is it just selfish cnuts that have been vaccined think they dont have to play by the rules now?

the kelt

Wolf359f wrote: »

Didn't Scotland have issues reporting cases over that weekend, resulting in a larger than normal case count the following Monday?

Ive no idea to be honest, but i remember at the time there being a lot of play being made about looking at Scotlands numbers etc etc and a week later theyre down nearly 1,000!

Maybe ye know have another look there.

jakiah

Gearoid88 wrote: »

Has the number of anti maskers increased or is it just selfish cnuts that have been vaccined think they dont have to play by the rules now?

Anecdotally, I am seeing people in my own peer-group (early 40s) being much more relaxed about various restrictions. In the absence of any real exit plan and seeing restrictions being much less onerous in other countries, people are just making up their own 'rules'.

HerrKapitan

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Plan to have a plan is on track

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1412042574462963712?s=20

[NPHET rubs hands together while smirking]

MOR316

seamus wrote: »

NPHET didn't organise those events.

You'd want to be directing your questions at the minister for arts.

Can direct them but, never going to get an answer

Micky 32

“”Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said that NPHET is not going to change its advice on indoor hospitality and the challenge is for the Government and the sector to operationalise the advice.””

Regarding the digital cert :

“Asked if the Government was committed to implementing the Covid-19 Digital Certificate by 19 July, Micheál Martin said: "We're on track".

Deeper Blue

So are they on track to open by July 19th or to have a plan by July 19th? There's a huge difference between the two

charlie14

Gearoid88 wrote: »

Has the number of anti maskers increased or is it just selfish cnuts that have been vaccined think they dont have to play by the rules now?

I was in Galway city last week for the first time in over a month, and from what I saw there appeared to be many more younger people wearing face masks in the streets than previously.
Not exactly an in depth study, but from what I saw there certainly appeared to be more of the unvaccinated cohort now wearing them.

DarkJager21

Micky 32 wrote: »

“”Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said that NPHET is not going to change its advice on indoor hospitality and the challenge is for the Government and the sector to operationalise the advice.””

Regarding the digital cert :

“Asked if the Government was committed to implementing the Covid-19 Digital Certificate by 19 July, Micheál Martin said: "We're on track".

Yeah I think it's time the government start making DECISIONS instead of allowing an "advisory group" to dictate them. What are they planning to do when NPHET gets jettisoned in to eternal ridicule with their bull**** projections when they don't come off? How can they face the public with a straight face and say they are following advice from a crowd of charlatans and spoofers?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Ah! The lockdown to avoid lockdown method! I see.

Personally I call it moderate restrictions to avoid lockdown.

RGS

Micky 32 wrote: »

“”Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said that NPHET is not going to change its advice on indoor hospitality and the challenge is for the Government and the sector to operationalise the advice.””

Regarding the digital cert :

“Asked if the Government was committed to implementing the Covid-19 Digital Certificate by 19 July, Micheál Martin said: "We're on track".

So NPHET wont change their advise that does not mean the government have to accept it.


JUST GROW A PAIR MM.


I forgot MM has already stated he wont deviate from NPHET,which by any reading allows NPHET to impose any restriction they want. We really live in a crazy country where the medics control the government.

ACitizenErased

Meeting with representatives from hospitality industry just finished. Meeting again on Thursday to finalise plan which will then go for government approval.

So we'll find out Thursday what the story is.

celt262

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Meeting with representatives from hospitality industry just finished. Meeting again on Thursday to finalise plan which will then go for government approval.

So we'll find out Thursday what the story is.

Waste of time with no NPHET involvement at this stage i would imagine.

Stormyteacup

DarkJager21 wrote: »

Yeah I think it's time the government start making DECISIONS instead of allowing an "advisory group" to dictate them. What are they planning to do when NPHET gets jettisoned in to eternal ridicule with their bull**** projections when they don't come off? How can they face the public with a straight face and say they are following advice from a crowd of charlatans and spoofers?

But haven’t you been paying attention? The spoofers can model pretty much anything you can dream up. There will be no jettisoning because the projections won’t manifest for the sole reason indoor dining did not open. Otherwise could have been very bad. Very. Christmas times ten. NPHET saves the country again. Phew.

Gearoid88

charlie14 wrote: »

I was in Galway city last week for the first time in over a month, and from what I saw there appeared to be many more younger people wearing face masks in the streets than previously.
Not exactly an in depth study, but from what I saw there certainly appeared to be more of the unvaccinated cohort now wearing them.

Doesn't really bother me much either way but it's interesting that the elderly are now the ones going maskless the very people we were locked down to save. Same people probably losing the head at ones not wearing masks just a few months back.

DarkJager21

Stormyteacup wrote: »

But haven’t you been paying attention? The spoofers can model pretty much anything you can dream up. There will be no jettisoning because the projections won’t manifest for the sole reason indoor dining did not open. Otherwise could have been very bad. Very. Christmas times ten. NPHET saves the country again. Phew.

And that's a joke in itself, they can't claim they saved anything by keeping indoor dining closed, people are meeting indoors regardless at this stage. I'd say we can nearly guarantee that house parties have exploded in popularity at this point and who could blame them - people aren't going to sit around waiting for ****ing Tony Holohan to say it's ok to go back to normal. He's already lost the youth of the country, why would or should they give a **** about it or him at this point?

Russman

RGS wrote: »

So NPHET wont change their advise that does not mean the government have to accept it.

JUST GROW A PAIR MM.
.

But any politician almost anywhere in the world that was to tell the medics where to stick their advice, would be toast if it ever came back to haunt them.

Hello Moto GP

DarkJager21 wrote: »

And that's a joke in itself, they can't claim they saved anything by keeping indoor dining closed, people are meeting indoors regardless at this stage. I'd say we can nearly guarantee that house parties have exploded in popularity at this point and who could blame them - people aren't going to sit around waiting for ****ing Tony Holohan to say it's ok to go back to normal. He's already lost the youth of the country, why would or should they give a **** about it or him at this point?

House parties were happening for the last 18 months.

Young people weren't go to put up with that nonsense and who could blame them.

Tenzor07

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Meeting with representatives from hospitality industry just finished. Meeting again on Thursday to finalise plan which will then go for government approval.

Don't you mean: "Meeting again on Thursday to finalise plan which will then go for approval to Holohan"

Hello Moto GP

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Don't you mean: "Meeting again on Thursday to finalise plan which will then go for approval by Holohan"

I think now Tony Holohan and Martin are going to try to come up with some sort of a plan to keep hospitality closed until the schools are back for a few months or at least till all the over 18's are vaccinated.

The virus loves alcohol don't you are do something mad like they have to be closed by 7PM when food generally finishes up.

Tchaikovsky

If you're fully vaccinated and/or you've had the virus already, why do you need to go around wearing a mask, particularly outdoors? Am I missing something?

Tenzor07

Stormyteacup wrote: »

But haven’t you been paying attention? The spoofers can model pretty much anything you can dream up. There will be no jettisoning because the projections won’t manifest for the sole reason indoor dining did not open. Otherwise could have been very bad. Very. Christmas times ten. NPHET saves the country again. Phew.

Sad that we have one of the most expensive Governments in Europe with the highest level of advisors and yet none of them realise the modelling that Npeht came up with was just a possible scenario and not what was actually going to happen..

Like others have said, the people are way ahead of the restrictions and if Holohan wants more then prepare for a full lockdown as we had back in early 2020...

Tenzor07

Hello Moto GP wrote: »

I think now Tony Holohan and Martin are going to try to come up with some sort of a plan to keep hospitality closed until the schools are back for a few months or at least till all the over 18's are vaccinated..

Nah, you're wrong there... Holohan will keep Pubs/clubs/restaurants closed indefinitely... the trade is finished in Ireland, along with live music unless audiences are in sheep pens...

And the reason? The "Omicron Variant" or suchlike..

charlie14

Gearoid88 wrote: »

Doesn't really bother me much either way but it's interesting that the elderly are now the ones going maskless the very people we were locked down to save. Same people probably losing the head at ones not wearing masks just a few months back.

I haven`t noticed any difference in the numbers of elderly going without masks in crowded areas etc. tbh.
What struck me was the number of younger people, (the vast majority of which I imagine are either unvaccinated or have just received one dose), now wearing them on the streets compared to previously.
As I said, just what I saw in Galway city and not exactly an in depth study, but I found it a noticeable difference from a month previously

Vicxas

Vicxas wrote: »

Guarantee you it'll be September before they're open

Ireland will be back in hard lockdown from September 27

DarkJager21

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Sad that we have one of the most expensive Governments in Europe with the highest level of advisors and yet none of them realise the modelling that Npeht came up with was just a possible scenario and not what was actually going to happen..

Like others have said, the people are way ahead of the restrictions and if Holohan wants more then prepare for a full lockdown as we had back in early 2020...

I don't think even the government are stupid enough to even entertain ideas of another lockdown. There's 2 showstoppers that will immediately surface if there were even whispers of that:

1) Mass civil disobedience/potential riots - well deserved outcome if they even suggest such a course of action but highly unlikely given how spineless the majority of the public appear to be. "Fighting Irish" my hole.

2) The magic money tree paying for all of Tonys desires for a teetotal and joyless society withers and dies - this is the most likely scenario that will bring an end to NPHET and their influence.