Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Archeron

Ireland and Northern Ireland report over 1000 new cases!!

Combined. I guess 1000 is the magic scary number, so if we can't get to it on our own just yet, let's lump in another regions numbers with it. these roi and Ni numbers have been reported separately since this whole thing began, but sure let's change that now, who'll notice anyway. The media are being so fukcing obvious with the manipulation and this is without doubt damaging the vaccine rollout.

Ps. Dear minister Donnelly. I'm really sorry if our nasty words are hurting your feel feels. If it makes you feel any better I AM HAVING A WONDERFUL TIME AND POSTED THIS ENTIRELY ON MY OWN WITH NO GOVERNMENT SUGGESTIONS.
My best friend who died last month after a delayed cancer diagnosis isn't having as much a good time though. I'm not being flippant writing this either, I am heartbroken at losing a good friend who has left his young family behind and I am equally fukcing furious at the complete shambles they are making of this. And they have the gall to say they are disappointed that people are upset at what's happening. Read the room Donnelly, you are making an utter bollix of this whole thing and it will be your legacy. May your ineptitude and that of all your co-muppets haunt you forever.

Leftwaffe

They’ve started reported the figures for NI and ROI together just in case there’s any gombeen out there who’ll think it’s all down south and spread the fear.

Lumen

OwenM wrote: »

They are doing 330K doses a day (200k 2nd vaccine doses a day), with ~50% of the eligible population fully vaccinated already.

No, the UK is at 50% of the total population fully vaccinated.

bloopy

Leftwaffe wrote: »

They’ve started reported the figures for NI and ROI together just in case there’s any gombeen out there who’ll think it’s all down south and spread the fear.

They did this last year as well when the cases dropped fairly low.

the kelt

Snooker Loopy wrote: »

I call what goes on here among a cohort of posters ranting because that's exactly what it is, no facts or evidence can ever be good enough for them.

At the same time this cohort claims anybody who disagrees with them is "ranting".

At the heart of that hypocrisy is an authoritarian attempt by the "open it up" cult to shout down anybody who disagrees with them.

That's not a surprise given the clear links to far right politics among so much of the worldwide Covid denier lobby, it's exactly what you'd expect.

You better get on to the rest of Europe thats opened up so and let them know about the links to the far right and the worldwide Covid denier lobby!!

Feckin fascists the lot of em!

brickster69

Norway pause some lifting of restrictions today for 4 weeks.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/norway-delays-reopening-delta-variant-threat-looms-pm-says-2021-07-05/?taid=60e2f321fdc7d30001f56968&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

KrustyUCC

RobitTV wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly is 100% correct. Ireland must follow Iran and Belarus and begin shutting down social media and online forums. Any criticism of NPHET is totally unacceptable. It should be a criminal offence.

This country is like some sort of parody of itself.

Nice of Donnelly to defend his friends in NPHET

Can't be critical of our experts

If only he'd defend the public interest as much

KrustyUCC

brickster69 wrote: »

Norway pause some lifting of restrictions today for 4 weeks.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/norway-delays-reopening-delta-variant-threat-looms-pm-says-2021-07-05/?taid=60e2f321fdc7d30001f56968&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

At least they have indoor hospitality

"Measures that will remain include bars and restaurants being limited to table service, limits of 20 people on gatherings in private homes, and restrictions on adult recreational sports."

Timmy O Toole

Can ye stop with the obsessive use of the word cohorts.

jakiah

brickster69 wrote: »

Norway pause some lifting of restrictions today for 4 weeks.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/norway-delays-reopening-delta-variant-threat-looms-pm-says-2021-07-05/?taid=60e2f321fdc7d30001f56968&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Norway pauses FULL REOPENING for a few weeks

Indoor dining is open, 3000 allowed at festivals. Only 37% vaccinated too.

GeorgeBailey

30% of posts on this thread:

In [country x] they're licking eachothers ar5es clean instead of using toilet paper.

Meanwhile in Ireland taking a sh!te is banned until we have at least 54.763% of the population fully vaccinated because the HSE didn't use the last 16 months to procure more bog roll.

rob316

https://twitter.com/IrishTimesWorld/status/1411999565297819655?s=20

Look at this rubbish headline. If you actually read the article then you'll learn the following.

-tested 40 hours before the event
- tests weren't supervised so were naturally tampered with and certs were screenshot and shared around
- certs were given out straight after vaccination as opposed to the recommended 2 weeks

This is the sort of crap that NPHET will use as an example against the use of anti gen testing and the "dangers" still there after vaccination.

The headline should be "Dutch nightclub ****s up test event"

franciscanpunk

seamus wrote: »

It's somewhere around 55% fully vaccinated, based on what we've seen in Israel. There will be some regional variations due to the types of vaccines used, and cultural differences in how people intermix. Israel is as close as one can get to an "ideal conditions" all-population test.

So when we have about 2.7m people fully vaccinated we can seriously plan around lifting all restrictions. Until then the only option really is to limit higher-risk stuff to vaccinated/tested people, or keep them closed.

I might not agree with some\much of your opinions but it really appreciate when someone gives an answer that is measureable so fair play.. I just hope if\when we reach that level you'll advocating the withdrawal of all restrictions

is_that_so

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Can ye stop with the obsessive use of the word cohorts.

People see a word that says what they mean and they use it - that's language for you. You can always produce a list that is less offensive to your eyes and ears!

batman_oh

jakiah wrote: »

Norway pauses FULL REOPENING for a few weeks

Indoor dining is open, 3000 allowed at festivals. Only 37% vaccinated too.

It's been going on throughout - oh look some country that has far more stuff open for months now is pausing some things that we won't see until god knows when. Therefore we are right to keep things closed indefinitely that have been open everywhere.

Furze99

Responder XY wrote: »

You are not looking at this rationly. You have the first dose of a very good vaccine. maximum long term protection is achieved from a second dose received after 12 weeks, this is being brought forward as it appears that with delta a second dose is better than just one, even though ideally that second dose should be later to give the best overall protection.

Yes, it is frustrating the way that worked out. But that doesn't make the original plan wrong. It was the right plan, executed the right way and unfortunately as often happens the best laid plans came undone by circumstances outside of anyone's control or knowledge.

But that's why I am annoyed - I am looking at it very rationally. And rationale / logic is that this vaccination strategy of separating out those in the 60s for a different vaccine regime was a bad idea. Full stop.

There have been several reports in past week of people who've had one dose of AZ and who've been badly affected by Covid which they picked up whilst waiting for a second dose.

I've no major problem with taking a vaccine for public health reasons. But I assume that when same public health system says 'this is the best vaccine for you' - that this is factually true. When it's shown not to be case, this is what undermines public confidence in vaccines. If you don't understand that, not much I can do. But you read here the speel coming from those advocating what you say - when you ask the majority of them what vaccine they've taken or are prepared to take, it's apparent that not many will put their money where their mouth is.

The bottom line and end result is that restrictions can't be relaxed yet as there are still numbers of citizens in their 60s who are not properly vaccinated as a result of this strategy. A costly mistake.

prunudo

FileNotFound wrote: »

Whoever voted for that Donnelly chap should hang their heads in shame.

And the irony is he got in at the expense of Pat Casey who is a hotelier and would rely heavily on tourism.

FlubberJones

batman_oh wrote: »

It's been going on throughout - oh look some country that has far more stuff open for months now is pausing some things that we won't see until god knows when. Therefore we are right to keep things closed indefinitely that have been open everywhere.

Most of the time it is a defense of ireland rather than a defense of the response to COVID..

Responder XY

Furze99 wrote: »

But that's why I am annoyed - I am looking at it very rationally. And rationale / logic is that this vaccination strategy of separating out those in the 60s for a different vaccine regime was a bad idea. Full stop.

There have been several reports in past week of people who've had one dose of AZ and who've been badly affected by Covid which they picked up whilst waiting for a second dose.

I've no major problem with taking a vaccine for public health reasons. But I assume that when same public health system says 'this is the best vaccine for you' - that this is factually true. When it's shown not to be case, this is what undermines public confidence in vaccines. If you don't understand that, not much I can do. But you read here the speel coming from those advocating what you say - when you ask the majority of them what vaccine they've taken or are prepared to take, it's apparent that not many will put their money where their mouth is.

The bottom line and end result is that restrictions can't be relaxed yet as there are still numbers of citizens in their 60s who are not properly vaccinated as a result of this strategy. A costly mistake.

Well for what it's worth, I'll take whatever vaccine I'm offered when the time comes. So will everyone my age that I know. (been trying in vain to get into a pharmacy - looks like I have to wait)

I still think you are letting frustrations with what has happened with Delta cloud your judgement on what was the right decision at the time and your thinking is not rational. AZ was available to over 60s - with one dose it prevented severe illness against all known strains of Covid. AZ could not be used on lower age groups due to emerging evidence of harm to them being possible. Therefore the entirely right decision to use AZ on those it was safe to use it on was made and reserve other vaccines for those whom it may not have been safe to use AZ on (again further evidence on the saftey has emerged in the meantime - but you can only act on what you know at the time).

As it turned out, the arithmetic behind that decision was completely sound. I was sceptical myself at the time, but it made best use of scarce vaccine resources. If Pfizer/Modera was used for over 60s, AZ does would have gone to waste and the whole program would be further delayed, which would not leave us in a better position today.

stephenjmcd

Plan to have a plan is on track

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1412042574462963712?s=20

Vicxas

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Plan to have a plan is on track

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1412042574462963712?s=20

Guarantee you it'll be September before they're open

rob316

"We will announce the roadmap to the plan on July 19th, then we hope to follow the roadmap of the plan to open at a later date once data allows it"

showpony1

namloc1980 wrote: »

130,000 people at the Austrian Grand Prix today. Obviously they haven't a clue what they are doing either and need to get onto NPHET quickly to learn the error of their ways.

Very similar Covid stats to Ireland except in testing. They do a lot more testing than here because they have embraced antigen tests.

I might be missing it but surely at Tony's next little speech he should be asked in plain english wtf is going on with likes of "Pilot event" where you've every single person testing negative walking around in masks and standing in cages? for what reason can negative people not mix at such an event? "antigen testing we can't be too sure of" So what is your plan for life for rest of time in Ireland with this virus?

and can he please provide immediate update on his forecast models how they are going towards reaching his huge number of deaths totals in august given it seems to be a non issue everywhere else in Europe and if not can we look at reopening pubs as agreed without every non-vulnerable person in the country being vaccinated.

bucketybuck

rob316 wrote: »

The headline should be "Dutch nightclub ****s up test event"

They will still have learnt more from their failure there than we will from any of our so called "pilot" events.

DarkJager21

showpony1 wrote: »

I might be missing it but surely at Tony's next little speech he should be asked in plain english wtf is going on with likes of "Pilot event" where you've every single person testing negative walking around in masks and standing in cages? for what reason can negative people not mix at such an event? "antigen testing we can't be too sure of" So what is your plan for life for rest of time in Ireland with this virus?

and can he please provide immediate update on his forecast models how they are going towards reaching his huge number of deaths totals in august given it seems to be a non issue everywhere else in Europe and if not can we look at reopening pubs as agreed without every non-vulnerable person in the country being vaccinated.

That would require someone with a backbone being present at his press conference, and it's very clear that nobody in the media or government has one.

Leftwaffe

Vicxas wrote: »

Guarantee you it'll be September before they're open

They won’t be opening this year is my bet.

Hello Moto GP

Vicxas wrote: »

Guarantee you it'll be September before they're open

There hinting you have to be vaccinated to be able to dine indoors and think thats what is going to happen.

There not going to open schools and restraunts at the same time so looks the most likely case.

Contrary to what some people believe here that Covid doesn't spread in schools, it does. All you have to do is walk past any school yard and you'll see 600 pupils scrammed into a tight space.

I would say next November when they will properly open.

jakiah

Vicxas wrote: »

Guarantee you it'll be September before they're open

If we cant open in summer no chance we are opening in September.

the kelt

Nearly 1000 less cases in Scotland today compared to last Monday. 2,372 today, 3,285 7 days ago.

Dont suppose MM wants to ring Nicola Sturgeon again seeing as he claimed he had spoken to her before deciding to delay opening a week ago citing Scotland numbers etc?

A week ago it was look at Scotland, look at Scotland, im sure that will probably have to be changed now.

seamus

showpony1 wrote: »

I might be missing it but surely at Tony's next little speech he should be asked in plain english wtf is going on with likes of "Pilot event" where you've every single person testing negative walking around in masks and standing in cages? for what reason can negative people not mix at such an event?

NPHET didn't organise those events.

You'd want to be directing your questions at the minister for arts.