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Canelo V BJ Saunders - Texas - DAZN - May 8th

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    #242
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,943 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    deisedevil wrote: »
    I'm not a Billy Joe fan by any means, but I don't get how people could say he just gave up. He has a fractured orbital bone. Supposed to be excruciating and if your sight in your eye is gone your corner are never going to leave you back out.

    It’s boxing. Not tickling

    He gave up.

    First sign hardship and trouble and he quit..

    Not the first and won’t be the last..


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    #243
    volono
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭volono


    Some serious hatred amongst posters for BJ's.
    "He quit etc". What do you want him to do risk permanent blindness ffs


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    #244
    FileNotFound
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    BJS didn't do too bad. Definitely won a few rounds.

    Big hit and in fairness injury. Guess it's into the next belt for canelo.

    No rematch for BJS and don't see him fighting his way to a challenger spot.

    Not a bad fight all said.


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    #245
    walshb
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Hearn says trainer stopped it, but presumably that's after asking Billy Joe whether he wanted to go back out.

    If it's a fractured orbital as suggested, nobody sitting at home watching on TV can criticise a fighter for not wanting to risk losing an eye.

    I saw no protestations from Billy.

    He seemed more than ok to not go back out..


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    #246
    deisedevil
    Registered Users Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Here he is calling out Dubois for quitting over the same injury. Deserves all the abuse that comes his way. Got to back up your statements.

    https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1333070142826291200?s=19

    Yep. He knows what it's like now.


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    #247
    NewMan1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭NewMan1982


    If he’s a broken bone or eye damage then it’s acceptable to retire.

    If it’s just badly bruised or swollen then it’s a quit.


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    #248
    FileNotFound
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    volono wrote: »
    Some serious hatred amongst posters for BJ's.
    "He quit etc". What do you want him to do risk permanent blindness ffs

    Wonder if canelo was right when he said he broke the cheek.

    Assume these lads have an idea.


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    #249
    walshb
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    volono wrote: »
    Some serious hatred amongst posters for BJ's.
    "He quit etc". What do you want him to do risk permanent blindness ffs

    Nonsense..

    Folks say the same for any fighters..

    It’s boxing. People get beaten up..

    Fighters quit. He was one tonight. Nothing to do with hate..


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    #250
    walshb
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    NewMan1982 wrote: »
    If he’s a broken bone or eye damage then it’s acceptable to retire.

    If it’s just badly bruised or swollen then it’s a quit.

    But you only know broken when x rayed and verified!


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    #251
    volono
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭volono


    walshb wrote: »
    I saw no protestations from Billy.

    He seemed more than ok to not go back out..

    Yes because he can't see out of one eye and is probably in excruciating pain......a pain that he hasn't felt before. He talked to his corner obviously, they knew more than likely. End game. That's boxing though.


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    #252
    FileNotFound
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    walshb wrote: »
    But you only know broken when x rayed and verified!

    Would you go away with your xray and verify.

    Clown talk has no place in fight threads.


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    #253
    john why
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    walshb wrote: »
    I saw no protestations from Billy.

    He seemed more than ok to not go back out..


    Would you go back out big man.


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    #254
    NewMan1982
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    walshb wrote: »
    But you only know broken when x rayed and verified!

    I think you’d have an idea how bad the damage was though.

    It looked like he quit to me but maybe his vision is ****ed right now. There’s no way I can tell that from my sofa.


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    #255
    EagererBeaver
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    walshb wrote: »
    Nonsense..

    Folks say the same for any fighters..

    It’s boxing. People get beaten up..

    Fighters quit. He was one tonight. Nothing to do with hate..

    Twats. Twats say the same. I said the exact same for the Dubois-Joyce fight. If BJS had a go at Dubois, then he did so out of ignorance having never been in that position. Now he knows. Dubois owed an apology but BJS is a prick so that's not happening.

    Anyone sitting at home drinking their Dutch Gold all night criticising someone for retiring on the stool with a broken face needs a slap.


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    #256
    FileNotFound
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    NewMan1982 wrote: »
    I think you’d have an idea how bad the damage was though.

    It looked like he quit to me but maybe his vision is ****ed right now. There’s no way I can tell that from my sofa.

    Walking into the dressing room the blackness would indicate break.

    So all visual sayd he has broken bone.

    Better tell Eddie he needs an xray machine on hand between rounds to keep the experts happy

    I guess some people are really amateur fans


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    #257
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,943 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Awful lot and of sensitivity and defensiveness here

    He quit. Big deal. He’s human..

    Happens in boxing and sport...

    Why folks so defensive because he quit?

    Eye sore/injured...he decided no more. That’s called quitting/retiring..


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    #258
    volono
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭volono


    I remember the brook v GGG fight and he ploughed on for another couple of rounds before his corner threw in the towel so I can see why some might say he quit but in BJS defence, I mean the guy can't see out of one eye and the indications are is that it's a break , what do people want?.
    It's a pity it ended like it did but theyre boxing not playing tiddlywinks!!!


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    #259
    earthwormjack
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    Had canelo 3 or 4 up at the time of stoppage. Saunders had zero power in his punches to keep canelo at bay.

    No issue with Saunders retiring on his stool if the broken orbital bone is true. He was getting badly, badly hurt if he came back out.

    Chris Mannix is also a terrible judge of fights.


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    #260
    EagererBeaver
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    walshb wrote: »
    Awful lot and of sensitivity and defensiveness here

    He quit. Big deal. He’s human..

    Happens in boxing and sport...

    Why folks so defensive because he quit?

    Eye sore/injured...he decided no more. That’s called quitting/retiring..

    You know as well as anyone in boxing that "he quit" is synonymous with "he was too scared to go back out". It's used disparagingly by dickheads sitting at home on sofas to have a pop at fighters they deem unworthy of their famed and much desired respect.


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    #261
    Raving_Magic
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    There was no way BJS could continue with that type of injury. He's risking blindness with the power Canelo has to have an injury like that and to continue is by no means quitting and If he did quit, who really could blame him. Think he done himself well done against one of the greats.


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    #262
    walshb
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    You know as well as anyone in boxing that "he quit" is synonymous with "he was too scared to go back out". It's used disparagingly by dickheads sitting at home on sofas to have a pop at fighters they deem unworthy of their famed and much desired respect.

    Yes..

    And it happens..

    Fighters quit for varieties of reasons...

    They’re human..

    Heaps examples through the years

    Grow a thicker skin. They’re grown men.

    Nobody should be getting offended.


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    #263
    JacksonHeightsOwn
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    I thought the knackers don't bleed, feel pain or ever quit.....

    Cheerio Billy Joe, you absolute cretin you.


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    #264
    Morrison J
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    The quitting debate is always a tedious one. I think you should applaud those fighters who refuse to do so but also accept when some fighters do quit as long as it's not egregious, or as long as that fighter hasn't mocked another fighter for quitting. Saunders has talked too much **** in the past for me to feel any way bothered about the amount of abuse that's bound to come his way. Deserves what he gets. Dubois in comparison, didn't deserve all the abuse and I felt sorry for him but there's a difference.


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    #265
    blade1
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    FFS I Demand my €2 back!!!


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    #266
    yourdeadwright
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    walshb wrote: »
    Awful lot and of sensitivity and defensiveness here

    He quit. Big deal. He’s human..

    Happens in boxing and sport...

    Why folks so defensive because he quit?

    Eye sore/injured...he decided no more. That’s called quitting/retiring..

    His coaches pulled him gt, that's what the coach said


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    #267
    Sweet.Science
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    That last round was fantastic

    It reminded me of a matador or a fighter in a collusiem engaging the crowd who were baying for blood

    What a superstar


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    #268
    walshb
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    His coaches pulled him gt, that's what the coach said

    Of course they did.

    Nice and handy. He’s not the quitter. His coach is.

    Same as Virgil Hunter with Khan..


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    #269
    Cyrus
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    Good win for canelo , would have been interesting to see if Saunders could have asked a few more questions in the last 3 rounds but it wasn't to be.

    Not sure where BJS goes from here but he will have made a packet so maybe he won't care !


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    #270
    Sweet.Science
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    Can't see BJS fighting again

    On his display itself thought it was what I expected . But this isn't the amateur game . Scoring jabs was never going to be enough


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    #271
    Cyrus
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Can't see BJS fighting again

    On his display itself thought it was what I expected . But this isn't the amateur game . Scoring jabs was never going to be enough

    Not to beat canelo on cinco de mayo anyway !

    He looks foolish now after what he said about Dubois.


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