Canelo V BJ Saunders - Texas - DAZN - May 8th

Butson

Well folks

How do we see this playing out this weekend?
Some seem to think BJS will give Canelo problems. I can't see it at all.

Going for Canelo KO in the championship rounds.

walshb

I can’t see any real problems for Canelo, andI think it finishes inside the distance...

Might even be a quit job or feign injury job, with Saunders nowhere in the fight.

Bobby Baccala

Can’t see how Saunders will keep Canelo at bay, hasn’t got the power to stop himself getting walked down. Canelo inside 8.

Morrison J

Saunders seems to be doubting himself. A 20ft ring isn't fair apparently.

normanoffside

walshb wrote: »

I can’t see any real problems for Canelo, andI think it finishes inside the distance...

Might even be a quit job or feign injury job, with Saunders nowhere in the fight.

He might be doing a quit job before the fight

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1389614217054011397

walshb

normanoffside wrote: »

He might be doing a quit job before the fight

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1389614217054011397

If they manage to sort the ring size out, I am sure Billy could probably catch Covid-19 or something; failing this, he forgets his gumshield and can't box.

ElBastardo1

Seen him talk about this fight being for his Legacy, maybe he should of thought about his legacy when he paid a drug addict to hit a man on the street, or when he did a video on how to hit your wife or the time he had his son punch Willie Munroe in the balls or the time he slagged of Barry Mcguigan on the death of his daughter and called him a rat or the time he pretended that 3 people had covid and got them removed from a flight.

Genuinely hope Canelo punches him around the ring.

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

Saunders seems to be doubting himself. A 20ft ring isn't fair apparently.

And moaning about judges as well...

Moaning from the start about getting a fair shake

Talking about fairness, yet wanting a British judge in the fight

STFU, get in the ring and box........and try and win....

I still am waiting for anyone to show me one decision that was unfairly in Canelo favor his whole career, apart from maybe the draw card v Floyd

GGG fights were not unfair......the 118-110 card fight 1 was controversial, but neither fight result was unfair.

ElBastardo1

Always felt he struggled against Lara and he got the nod that night.

walshb

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

Always felt he struggled against Lara and he got the nod that night.

He struggled. But beat him...

Close fight...

JacksonHeightsOwn

walshb wrote: »

And moaning about judges as well...

Moaning from the start about getting a fair shake

Talking about fairness, yet wanting a British judge in the fight

STFU, get in the ring and box........and try and win....

I still am waiting for anyone to show me one decision that was unfairly in Canelo favor his whole career, apart from maybe the draw card v Floyd

GGG fights were not unfair......the 118-110 card fight 1 was controversial, but neither fight result was unfair.

Totally agree!

As much as I'd love to see Canelo beat the pi$$ out of bjs.

I think Canelo telling him to accept a tiny ring or **** off is even funnier.

Imagine walking away from a career high purse over the size of a ring....

I thought these gypsies where "fighting men" and would fight anywhere???

Clearly not, the big fanny.

StringerBell

It's fairly pathetic when you hear it alright, the whining and looking for a way out.

Reminds me of fury actually complaining about the ring for the Klitschko fight, can't even remember if it was too soft/ hard, springy/not springy that was the issue now.

Just get in and do your job, snacks of BJS knowing inside he has no answers for the problem that will.stand in front of him.

yourdeadwright

Lads I think your all falling for BJS playing a bit of a game here

From day one Canelo has and always has everything his own way , its literally never a fair playing field with him he tries eveyr trick in the book t out you off with little things,

I actually think Billy knew this would happen and he's just playing Canelo at his own game, |As it stand he is the only one who knows if he is going to fight our not ( he will ) and he is leaving Canelo in a bit of limbo of not being in control something Saul always has to be,

Will it matter come Saturday probably not but its 100% just mind game from BJS , We can all agree he has little chance of just out boxing him so why not be a bollox


I say fair play to him for at least trying to many people are just happy to get the fight with Canelo and don't care about what happens,

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yourdeadwright

StringerBell wrote: »

It's fairly pathetic when you hear it alright, the whining and looking for a way out.

Reminds me of fury actually complaining about the ring for the Klitschko fight, can't even remember if it was too soft/ hard, springy/not springy that was the issue now.

Just get in and do your job, snacks of BJS knowing inside he has no answers for the problem that will.stand in front of him.

I will say the Fury one was a legitimate complaint , Even had the lads ring side get In the ring and all agreed with Fury , Wlad tried to take the legs away form him ,


Again though its about taking control away form these lads who are so used to having every single little thing go there way,

StringerBell

I understand the game they play, it doesn't change how I view it - to me its pathetic.

yourdeadwright

StringerBell wrote: »

I understand the game they play, it doesn't change how I view it - to me its pathetic.

I like most under people do not like BJS as a man ………..but Canelo like Wald, Floyd and so on before him always have to have every little thing there own way and put up so many small issues in place for the boxer's and the teams they face its always good to see someone being a d*ck back to them ,


If your supposed to be the best P4P in the world why not just give BJS what he wants and give him no excuses to make, Canelo won't because its about control & ego ,


So as much as BJS is an absolute horrible man I think what he is doing is right,,( if it was a nice guy I think everyone would agree with this stunt)

StringerBell

It is what it is, they all try to play to advantage - v GGG Canelo wanted a bigger ring, v Saunders he wants a smaller one - no surprise really. I don't think these power plays have any impact on fighters like Floyd or Canelo, sure they will try to work the situation to their advantage as much as possible, their teams more so but ultimately whether its in a phone box or a farm BJS does not beat Canelo.

I believe its been sorted now either way.

FileNotFound

So seems general consesus is Canelo for the win and Saunders will show despite the BS about the ring size.

Hopefully a good fight, is the fight card any good? Haven't looked at it at all

Sheridan81

Apparently Chris Eubank Junior has placed a 10,000 pound bet on BJS to get knocked out.

FileNotFound

Sheridan81 wrote: »

Apparently Chris Eubank Junior has placed a 10,000 pound bet on BJS to get knocked out.

Saw that - thought it was very funny. Hope it happens, what's his beef with Saunders I wonder?

I just want to see saunders lose due to his head being stuck up a kinahan hole

Butson

Looking like a 4a.m job.

In fairness to Dazn, it will be ready to watch straight away for those that miss the alarm (for whatever reason).

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I like most under people do not like BJS as a man ………..but Canelo like Wald, Floyd and so on before him always have to have every little thing there own way and put up so many small issues in place for the boxer's and the teams they face its always good to see someone being a d*ck back to them ,


If your supposed to be the best P4P in the world why not just give BJS what he wants and give him no excuses to make, Canelo won't because its about control & ego ,


So as much as BJS is an absolute horrible man I think what he is doing is right,,( if it was a nice guy I think everyone would agree with this stunt)

Nice man not nice man..

I couldn’t care. Bullsh1t excuse after excuse

Get in and fight, you windbag..

If Canelo pulled it I’d be the same..

funkey_monkey

Sheridan81 wrote: »

Apparently Chris Eubank Junior has placed a 10,000 pound bet on BJS to get knocked out.

Placed it at 8pm on Saturday night when he was meant to be boxing.


Re: the ring. Is this not agreed during the discussions and written into the contract?

Milanative

theres literally no way for saunders to win he doesnt even have a punchers chance with those feathers he throws and thats not including the fact canelo had an absolute granite chin

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Nice man not nice man..

I couldn’t care. Bullsh1t excuse after excuse

Get in and fight, you windbag..

If Canelo pulled it I’d be the same..

Canelo is pulling it ?


It was him who had an 18ft ring to begin with , If you recall he pulled the same **** but the other way around with GGG,


Canelo pulls **** like this every single fight from his rehydration clause to all kinds of small stuff ,

Butson

Carl Froch and Roy Jones Jnr on commentary.

Thank God for that.

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Canelo is pulling it ?


It was him who had an 18ft ring to begin with , If you recall he pulled the same **** but the other way around with GGG,


Canelo pulls **** like this every single fight from his rehydration clause to all kinds of small stuff ,

Saunders is the one moaning and making excuses

Right from the get go.....even before the fight was sealed he was on about "getting a fair shake."

End of

They both fight in the same fooking boxing ring....

12 rounds of 3 minutes

Of course there will be little details that are teased and ironed out...that is life...

Get in and fight, and stfu moaning....

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Saunders is the one moaning and making excuses

Right from the get go.....even before the fight was sealed he was on about "getting a fair shake."

End of

They both fight in the same fooking boxing ring....

12 rounds of 3 minutes

Of course there will be little details that are teased and ironed out...that is life...

Get in and fight, and stfu moaning....

Because he knew Canelo has form for it ,


Canelo wanted the bigger ring against GGG and now its him who wants the smaller one ?


As much as we all dislike BJS he is correct to stand his ground ,

Remember it's Canelo making the changes ,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Because he knew Canelo has form for it ,


Canelo wanted the bigger ring against GGG and now its him who wants the smaller one ?


As much as we all dislike BJS he is correct to stand his ground ,

Remember it's Canelo making the changes ,

Sorry, that is nonsense...Unless you have access to the written contracts and all that they entail?

BJS is a whinger...end of

It's a boxing match...biggest payday of his career

He knows he hasn't a prayer and is using any excuse to try and justify this

And you have fallen for it....defending this nonsense....

Canelo said it himself; he has been full of excuses.....

And it has been shown to be excuses and nonsense, as the fight is ON!!!

And what has liking or not liking Saunders got to do with anything? Can we not just call BS no matter who is bullsh1tting?

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Sorry, that is nonsense...Unless you have access to the written contracts and all that they entail?

BJS is a whinger...end of

It's a boxing match...biggest payday of his career

He knows he hasn't a prayer and is using any excuse to try and justify this

And you have fallen for it....defending this nonsense....

Canelo said it himself; he has been full of excuses.....

And it has been shown to be excuses and nonsense, as the fight is ON!!!

And what has liking or not liking Saunders got to do with anything? Can we not just call BS no matter who is bullsh1tting?

To be clear the whole thing is nonsense yes i agree with that


What I'm saying is because its Canelo who has tried acting the bollox for this fight like he does for every other fight then I see no problem with BJS or whoever it happened to be being a bollox back


Canelo does this every fight nice to see someone anyone be a f*cker back to him .

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

To be clear the whole thing is nonsense yes i agree with that


What I'm saying is because its Canelo who has tried acting the bollox for this fight like he does for every other fight then I see no problem with BJS or whoever it happened to be being a bollox back


Canelo does this every fight nice to see someone anyone be a f*cker back to him .

The whole thing is not a nonsense

BJS and his excuses are the nonsense

And you trying to defend it and justify it, with respect, is nonsense..

The fight is ON.....And this proves that Saunders is just a messer and moaner

AdrianG08

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Because he knew Canelo has form for it ,


Canelo wanted the bigger ring against GGG and now its him who wants the smaller one ?


As much as we all dislike BJS he is correct to stand his ground ,

Remember it's Canelo making the changes ,

Would never want to stand up for BJS, detest the man. But I agree with you here.

We have seen it with the Klitschkos, Mayweather and now Canelo. Always looking for an edge. And they were all good enough to win if all things were equal.

So to see them/their reps looking to make marginal gains on little things like ring size is pretty small time on their own part.

If I was Saunders, I wouldn't consider myself to be a whinger if I was making statements that I hope I get a fair shake against Canelo in Texas ffs. For what its worth, i'd say Saunders is arrogant enough to think he will win if all things are fair, and no doubt would not comprehend there is someone better than him such is his (misguided) view of himself. He's clearly wrong, but there you have it.

These prize fighters on the a-side want an opponent who will take whatever is given to them with an air of "you should be thankful you were chosen as my opponent so shut your mouth", and thats the sport we love unfortunately.

Canelo wins this fight everyday of the week, so hearing that he wants a smaller ring etc... makes him look foolish more than Saunders.

Saunders is up against it anyway, i'd be making a racket if the clear favourite was moving the goalposts to suit himself even further.

Bobby Baccala

Am I the only one that thinks a 20 foot ring is more than fair?

Morrison J

I just don't see how a 20ft ring is Canelo looking for an advantage? 20-18ft is standard so 20ft is actually bigger than it could've been. I'm not aware of any recent non-heavyweight fight that's taken place in a 24ft ring. Why should Canelo be expected to grant Saunders such an abnormally big ring? Saunders needs to know his place as the B-side here.

walshb

AdrianG08 wrote: »

Would never want to stand up for BJS, detest the man. But I agree with you here.

We have seen it with the Klitschkos, Mayweather and now Canelo. Always looking for an edge. And they were all good enough to win if all things were equal.

So to see them/their reps looking to make marginal gains on little things like ring size is pretty small time on their own part.

If I was Saunders, I wouldn't consider myself to be a whinger if I was making statements that I hope I get a fair shake against Canelo in Texas ffs. For what its worth, i'd say Saunders is arrogant enough to think he will win if all things are fair, and no doubt would not comprehend there is someone better than him such is his (misguided) view of himself. He's clearly wrong, but there you have it.

These prize fighters on the a-side want an opponent who will take whatever is given to them with an air of "you should be thankful you were chosen as my opponent so shut your mouth", and thats the sport we love unfortunately.

Canelo wins this fight everyday of the week, so hearing that he wants a smaller ring etc... makes him look foolish more than Saunders.

Saunders is up against it anyway, i'd be making a racket if the clear favourite was moving the goalposts to suit himself even further.

This is just it

People believing the Saunders nonsense...

The fight is on...

The chap is just making up excuses in preparation for his loss..

He’s feeding these pathetic excuses to the public and some folks are believing the bull..

And even if what he is claiming is true, so what?! It’s the business of pro boxing..

Canelo is just getting on with the fight..

I am sure if he was as big a mouth and whinger as Saunders, he would have his side of the story..

SHOVELLER

Saunders getting his excuses in early speaks volumes. And as regards Canelo he is the A side and is fighting on his turf and any smart fighter going there should know this and all that entails.

The fight was never off as he has signed the contract. All noise.

Saunders is not smart enough to be using this to upset Canelo or sell extra tickets. He's just a piece of **** who knows his 0 is going.

generalgerry

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Saunders getting his excuses in early speaks volumes. And as regards Canelo he is the A side and is fighting on his turf and any smart fighter going there should know this and all that entails.

I disagree. In any sport, the playing field should be the same for both sides. Not content with being the "house" boxer and having the judges in his pocket, Canelo now wants to do the old Klitschko trick of doctoring the ring to suit your own game as well. I think that Saunders is merely fighting his own corner here, same as Tyson Fury did in Germany.

I don't know when I have been looking forward to a fight more than this. Still trying to decide whether I record and watch on Sunday late morning (like I usually do) or stay up and watch it live. I guess we're talking 5am or the like again aren't we.

walshb

generalgerry wrote: »

I disagree. In any sport, the playing field should be the same for both sides. Not content with being the "house" boxer and having the judges in his pocket, Canelo now wants to do the old Klitschko trick of doctoring the ring to suit your own game as well. I think that Saunders is merely fighting his own corner here, same as Tyson Fury did in Germany.

I don't know when I have been looking forward to a fight more than this. Still trying to decide whether I record and watch on Sunday late morning (like I usually do) or stay up and watch it live. I guess we're talking 5am or the like again aren't we.

Judges in his pocket?

What does this mean?

Three neutral judges....

It was Saunders trying to uneven the field. Wanting a British judge..

I’m flabbergasted that folks can’t see through this charade. It’s smokes and mirrors nonsense from Saunders, who knows that he hasn’t a prayer on any playing field, hence his muddying the waters to soften the blow of an emphatic defeat..

Morrison J

22ft agreed. Surprised Canelo agreed tbh but shows he's not too concerned regardless.

https://twitter.com/boxing_social/status/1390050981891690498?s=19

someyoke

Am I mad in thinking Saunders has a decent chance? Know he hasn't the CV canelo does but he's always seemed to fight up or down to the level needed.
We don't actually know if he can be walked down as it's never happened, he's been too elusive.
Lemiux was probably his stiffest test on paper alongside Andy Lee and he won both pretty comfortably.
Horrible human being totally agree, but these gypsy fighters are a serious breed. I think it's a fascinating match up and will be subscribing to dazn for 1,99ðŸ˜႒ going to be incredible value compared to paying for parker-chisora regardless of what happens.

walshb

someyoke wrote: »

Am I mad in thinking Saunders has a decent chance? Know he hasn't the CV canelo does but he's always seemed to fight up or down to the level needed.
We don't actually know if he can be walked down as it's never happened, he's been too elusive.
Lemiux was probably his stiffest test on paper alongside Andy Lee and he won both pretty comfortably.
Horrible human being totally agree, but these gypsy fighters are a serious breed. I think it's a fascinating match up and will be subscribing to dazn for 1,99ðŸ˜႒ going to be incredible value compared to paying for parker-chisora regardless of what happens.

Possibly mad!

Saunders has not fought anyone close to Canelo’s level.

His best wins are over three gatekeepers. Lee, Lemieux and a green Eubank

This fight is two steps up from the best he has fought..

Beat Eubank years ago in a razor close fight.

Beat Lee years ago in a close fight. Razor close on cards. Barring the KD I think Lee may have gotten a draw.

Beat Lemieux comfortable...

That is his resume...it’s very ordinary..

Mantis Toboggan

Should be a cracker Saunders has great skills. Lacks power but if his movement is good who knows. What channels it on?

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

This is just it

People believing the Saunders nonsense...

The fight is on...

The chap is just making up excuses in preparation for his loss..

He’s feeding these pathetic excuses to the public and some folks are believing the bull..

And even if what he is claiming is true, so what?! It’s the business of pro boxing..

Canelo is just getting on with the fight..

I am sure if he was as big a mouth and whinger as Saunders, he would have his side of the story..

Canelo was the one who tried to use a 18ft ring ?
Who have you ever seen use an 18ft ring in a world title fight ?
Do you think it should have been in a 18ft ring ?


Canelo pulled the same trick in reserve with GGG ,


And yes the fight is on because Canelo accepted he was wrong and its been changed to a 22ft ring ,


Canelo will win but fair play to BJS for standing his ground against Canelo usual nonsense , and I don't like BJS

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Canelo was the one who tried to use a 18ft ring ?
Who have you ever seen use an 18ft ring in a world title fight ?
Do you think it should have been in a 18ft ring ?


Canelo pulled the same trick in reserve with GGG ,


And yes the fight is on because Canelo accepted he was wrong and its been changed to a 22ft ring ,


Canelo will win but fair play to BJS for standing his ground against Canelo usual nonsense , and I don't like BJS

You keep saying you don’t like Saunders..

This should have nothing to do with anything

Right from the start he has been looking for excuses..

This is all him. Nothing to do with Canelo.

walshb

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Should be a cracker Saunders has great skills. Lacks power but if his movement is good who knows. What channels it on?

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Sigh up. Well worth it

yourdeadwright

What are your guys predictions ?

I think BJS will win some early rounds but be stopped around round 9/10 or possible survive & go the distance and lose on points,

AdrianG08

walshb wrote: »

You keep saying you don’t like Saunders..

This should have nothing to do with anything

Right from the start he has been looking for excuses..

This is all him. Nothing to do with Canelo.

I think you are taking it up wrong in fairness. Saying he doesn't like Saunders as no doubt people will feel his stance is tinted by a general dislike of Canelo, or a favouritism to BJS.

It does get thrown at people in this forum (mainly people who show the slightest bit of praise for Tyson Fury for instance).

Fighting you corner isn't making excuses. I'd have done the same, just because i'm not the a-side doesn't mean I should shut up and allow Canelo/Klitschko/Floyd play silly games to unsettle further. These guys were talented enough to win without stupid small time games to aid them further.

And make no mistake, Canelo will win. I applaud Saunders here aswell, Canelo has backed down it looks like. I think it may be your dislike of Saunders that is clouding your own judgement.

The judges thing is a separate issue, neutral judges is fair enough. If the starting point should be that "whoever Canelo chooses as an opponent should know how it works and be happy to be there" then its everything thats wrong with the sport.

If anything, I think Saunders inflated opinion of himself has him believing he can win, i don't see it as getting his excuses in. I see it as him trying to make sure he gets that little edge. He won't win, but not for a second do I believe Saunders thinks Canelo is the better man/fighter. Its just not how someone like him would think.

He will realise Canelo is the better fighter after Saturday night of course.

AdrianG08

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What are your guys predictions ?

I think BJS will win some early rounds but be stopped around round 9/10 or possible survive & go the distance and lose on points,

I think Saunders won't get close to landing enough meaningful shots to win any rounds, if Canelo fights in burst like he tends to do then Saunders might nick 1 or 2.

Conversely, I don't think Saunders will look to engage that often, which won't exactly make Canelo look good, but thats more down to BJs negativity rather than his technical nous.

Like Paul McCloskey, you can be hard to hit when you are simply backing off and evading shots whilst attemping little offence. So not a hope in hell Saunders is offensive enough (he is outside the ring ironically) inside the ropes to get a decision.

I expect it to go the distance, a wide UD for Canelo. And Saunders will act like he was robbed.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

You keep saying you don’t like Saunders..

This should have nothing to do with anything

Right from the start he has been looking for excuses..

This is all him. Nothing to do with Canelo.

Why won't you answer the question I'm asking you ?


Do you think an 18 ft ring should be used in a World title fight ?


You keep saying its nothing to do with Canelo its his show he chose the 18ft ring ? Just like when it suited him against GGG he chose a 24ft ring ,


Would you not agree that Canelo has a history of trying to control every little thing on his own favour ?


Standing up for yourself is not making excuses ,
Tyson Fury done the same thing out in German,

AdrianG08

Actually don't forget, Eddie Hearn was reportedly already planning and talking up Caleb Plant v Canelo next also, if I was BJS i'd be highlighting that aswell.

No harm seeing that kind of nonsense called out, again its not going to make any difference, but its a question of taste.

Boxing is crooked at best of times, I don't think Canelo would be put in with anyone who posed a serious threat to his contract. Hence the GGG fights were delayed until the time was right for him too. Saunders wasn't avoided, he brought little $$$ and is risky in the sense that he has inflated opinion of himself and prob genuinely thinks it should be 50/50 split, and he is not easy to look good against.

Saying that, there is nobody right now who poses a serious threat to Canelo within the Light middle to Super middle weight classes.

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why won't you answer the question I'm asking you ?


Do you think an 18 ft ring should be used in a World title fight ?


You keep saying its nothing to do with Canelo its his show he chose the 18ft ring ? Just like when it suited him against GGG he chose a 24ft ring ,


Would you not agree that Canelo has a history of trying to control every little thing on his own favour ?


Standing up for yourself is not making excuses ,
Tyson Fury done the same thing out in German,

I have no idea on the ins and outs of the contracts

Nor do you

I have no view on 18/20/22/24 feet rings....

You are simply ready to believe Saunders here....

It is that simple. He is making excuses and moaning about details. Nobody else is, just him.

And you obviously see it as legitimate, and I see it as him making excuses because he knows he hasn't a hope....