Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

agoodpunt

fun loving criminal wrote: »

I read the news of a pub outbreak that resulted in 180 covid infections.

How do they link these 180 cases together and trace it back to the pub? I don't think our contact tracing is up to that join the dots type of thing.

where was it?

so how many vaccinated are going to end up in hospital and if you werent and have underling cond why where you there

Toblerone1978

Are we allowed to know the breakdown of cases these days? Like to know cases by age, the vaccinated vs. non vaccinated and county. Thks.

Cork2021

Ah well. All the rags got their front pages today full of doom. The media here are getting worse by the minute

https://www.broadsheet.ie/

Cork2021

Cork2021 wrote: »

Ah well. All the rags got their front pages today full of doom. The media here are getting worse by the minute

https://www.broadsheet.ie/

World leaders agree on global minimum tax rate...thats the worst headline as you scroll.. the rest is hyperbole..

agoodpunt

we have a double wammy reduced tax from FDI and indefinite or ext restrictions, the country been led by a medical hitler

duffman13

agoodpunt wrote: »

where was it?

so how many vaccinated are going to end up in hospital and if you werent and have underling cond why where you there

Waterford apparently

is_that_so

wadacrack wrote: »

Vaccination rates aren't high enough yet, unlikely to be by late August in many European countries.

Here we might be ok but the vaccines aren't perfect

Nor are medicines for a whole host of diseases but we live with them. Normal life does have to return and we can't be permanently led by a variety of health bodies worldwide making pronouncements of alarm when they have no absolutely no interest in anything beyond their extremely narrow purview.

wadacrack

ypres5 wrote: »

So the atmosphere I'm picking up is that we need to lock down until there's a vaccine that's 100% effective and there's absolutely 0 covid cases and deaths. That's perfectly realistic.

Not really, we have less than 50% vaccinated with two doses. It makes perfect sense to be cautious as the rollout continues.

We are at a bigger risk with this Delta variant than many accept here.

agoodpunt

duffman13 wrote: »

Waterford apparently

Wasnt that the funeral many of them came from england it a certain etnic group who have ignored any restrictions especially around funerals but have had to be stopped holding weddings.

Sweet.Science

If we are getting a 4th wave with a huge increase in cases , hospitalizations and deaths . Why did they relax a number of other restrictions

Weddings at 50 . Thousands at matches etc

Makes no sense

is_that_so

fun loving criminal wrote: »

I read the news of a pub outbreak that resulted in 180 covid infections.

How do they link these 180 cases together and trace it back to the pub? I don't think our contact tracing is up to that join the dots type of thing.

They can do it by mapping the genome of cases they have found and then work to able to a so-called Case zero. The drama over this pub is not the first time we've seen this and there were examples last year which led to hundreds of cases. While the projections have not been shown to be completely off the wall we can expect a lot more of this type of coverage. Don't forget we were also warned of a surge last autumn which never really happened.

Silentcorner

Cork2021 wrote: »

Ah well. All the rags got their front pages today full of doom. The media here are getting worse by the minute

https://www.broadsheet.ie/

It's like the last stand at the minute....

We can all see what is happening in stadiums around Europe, we all know we are outliers for all the wrong reasons...indoor dining every where bar here, we just had Tony declare that indoor dining should be closed to Irish people beyond Sept (which means March 2022 at the earliest) with callous disregard for every one affected by that...the only people left supporting this are to far gone to reason with...these hyperbolic headlines are a last ditch attempt to keep onto the rest of us.

I knew they would struggle to maintain the hysteria during the summer months, I didn't think they would get this desperate this early!!!

is_that_so

Goldengirl wrote: »

The only other option is not allowing anyone indoor hospitality then , until numbers vaccinated are complete .
Question is which will happen first .

It's not a simple one or the other scenario. We are now at the point where economics meets health advice. We know the economic issues but the health advice is based off what is happening in the UK and some numbers an economist would be fired for serving up.

mental stuff here... just a publicity stunt to look like they are trying to find a way out..

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/kenny-tears-strips-off-donnelly-who-doesn-t-know-point-of-iveagh-gardens-gig/ar-AALEFh7

Beechwoodspark

Both Minister Donnelly and Deputy CMO Dr Ronan Glynn coming across well on morning ireland this morning.

Well briefed, giving clear responses, acknowledging frustrations but remaining hopeful and confident

bucketybuck

Sweet.Science wrote: »

If we are getting a 4th wave with a huge increase in cases , hospitalizations and deaths . Why did they relax a number of other restrictions

Weddings at 50 . Thousands at matches etc

Makes no sense

None of it makes sense, from the start of this pandemic the one constant has been the illogical nonsense being thrown out by the people who were supposed to be in charge.

In a lot of other countries they would have been castigated and deposed by the opposition a year ago. Unfortunately in Ireland it would break peoples tiny brains for them ever to consider that the people in power are incompetent and don't actually know what to do. Its papal infallibility applied to government.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything is likely with NPHET. Phil Nolan said last night that even fully vaccinated elderly and vulnerable are potentially still vulnerable. Tony talking about how hospitality would have been closed until late September at least. Tony talking about lockdown this winter.

If they don’t want negative headlines, just say there won’t be lockdowns when people are vaccinated.

The elderly are always vulnerable to a thousand risks. There is an element of obsession about NPHET and because their sole focus is to fight the disease they look to have lost the ability to see much beyond their war bunker. That not so say that they don't genuinely believe they are protecting people yet they seem to have lost sight of how to communicate beyond dire warnings.

The CMO is the wrong face of this now, with his very direct and unapologetic statements. Nolan too has got very defensive, perhaps rightly, as people excoriate his modelling. All in all it's not a heady mixture especially with a government who don't look like they have any control nor plans except agree with NPHET and a Dail who largely go along with that.

JRant

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not a simple one or the other scenario. We are now at the point where economics meets health advice. We know the economic issues but the health advice is based off what is happening in the UK and some numbers an economist would be fired for serving up.

And that's saying something. If engineers were are wrong as often as economists nobody would set foot in a plane.

Vicxas

Pharmacies are starting to vaccinated 18-34 year olds next week

JRant

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Both Minister Donnelly and Deputy CMO Dr Ronan Glynn coming across well on morning ireland this morning.

Well briefed, giving clear responses, acknowledging frustrations but remaining hopeful and confident

Buzzwords at this stage. We need more than "hopeful and confident", much more. The current plan of keeping restrictions 'just in case' is absolutely mental stuff and based of projections that are just not believable.

is_that_so

Sweet.Science wrote: »

If we are getting a 4th wave with a huge increase in cases , hospitalizations and deaths . Why did they relax a number of other restrictions

Weddings at 50 . Thousands at matches etc

Makes no sense

They are tracking the UK data, which is understandable, but hard to say what values they've assigned to a population where nearly 50% of adults have been vaccinated. There is no shame in getting numbers wrong but when they are underpinning everything we are doing they need to stack up.

CalamariFritti

rusty cole wrote: »

World leaders agree on global minimum tax rate...thats the worst headline as you scroll.. the rest is hyperbole..

I don't know the ins and outs. The cynic in me assumes its going to be mostly window dressing. But surely Amazon having paid not a single Euro in tax last year in Europe.... how can that be a bad thing if such stuff was addressed?

WoollyRedHat

Vicxas wrote: »

Pharmacies are starting to vaccinated 18-34 year olds next week

Where did you see that?

bucketybuck

Vicxas wrote: »

Pharmacies are starting to vaccinated 18-34 year olds next week

I guess we are about to find out one of the huge side effects of the farce that has been the communication from government recently.

Namely, from their point of view, why the **** should any young person want or care about getting a vaccine.

zackory

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Both Minister Donnelly and Deputy CMO Dr Ronan Glynn coming across well on morning ireland this morning.

Well briefed, giving clear responses, acknowledging frustrations but remaining hopeful and confident

I am sure the are singing away from the same hymn book while kicking the can down the road.

Strategy is to get to Friday, heads down for the weekend and hope by Monday people have accepted things and that next week is quieter for them.

is_that_so

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Where did you see that?

Think the poster is jumping the gun, they will be doing younger groups but the specifics are not yet clear.

RGS

Sweet.Science wrote: »

If we are getting a 4th wave with a huge increase in cases , hospitalizations and deaths . Why did they relax a number of other restrictions

Weddings at 50 . Thousands at matches etc

Makes no sense

And unvaccinated allowed stay in hotels, eat indoors in the hotel. Why did NPHET not recommend closing hotels for a period if their projections are accurate.

JRant

is_that_so wrote: »

They are tracking the UK data, which is understandable, but hard to say what values they've assigned to a population where nearly 50% of adults have been vaccinated. There is no shame in getting numbers wrong but when they are underpinning everything we are doing they need to stack up.

The UK are also months ahead of us in terms of easing restrictions. Tracking their numbers is definitely worthwhile but needs to be taken with a massive side order of salt.

Vicxas

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Where did you see that?

https://www.thejournal.ie/pharmacies-vaccinate-18-34-monday-5483412-Jul2021/

funnydoggy

No, no gun jumping lads. It's true

Thanks stephenjmcd for the link

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