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Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Pandiculation


    The housing issue is still very much a product of the 2008 crash and what is now several decades of failure to build adequate social housing.

    I think we’re underestimating the impact of that crash though. The reality was at peak we were building 100,000 homes a year. That plummeted to almost none for several years and the capacity hasn’t come back. There have been huge issues with lack of supply and backs that aren’t really in wonderful shape since that era.

    COVID could well still bork the economy for another decade, so I think we need to be a hell of a lot more imaginative on housing policy.

    I don’t think that haranguing one rep really did much to drive that debate though. If anything, it may have achieved the opposite.

    It needs serious politics and people to change voting habits and drive change properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    humberklog wrote: »
    But she's can't get elected. She's tried a number of times in a number of constituencies and failed every time. She's failed every time even with huge party support in her campaigns when the party was doing pretty ok in elections.

    Whatever good she does for society she's fairly toxic on the ballot and she should, at this stage in her life, be a bit more self-aware about her appeal to people outside of the Dublin 8 Dinner party set.


    Toxic??? Wouldn’t go that far at all. Why do you say that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭jpfahy


    I brief history of Eoghan Murphy

    39 years old
    Born in Sandymount
    5 siblings
    Father is Henry Murphy (Senior Counsel on the Mahon tribunal Team, he made over €2m on this tribunal)
    Went to fee paying school St Michael's College

    You forgot to mention his grandfather Russell Murphy who swindled Gay Byrne and Hugh Leonard out of their money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,581 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    golfball37 wrote: »
    He’ll be neither missed or remembered. Unless it’s for homeless children eating off a pizza box on the street.

    Never the parents fault.

    Always the government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    jpfahy wrote: »
    You forgot to mention his grandfather Russell Murphy who swindled Gay Byrne and Hugh Leonard out of their money

    I got told off on here for simply suggesting RTÉ should’ve asked Simon Harris brother (who runs an autism charity) what his opinion is about the secret autism files allegation that happened when Simon Harris was minister for Health

    this grandfather issue is far more tenuous


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    jpfahy wrote: »
    You forgot to mention his grandfather Russell Murphy who swindled Gay Byrne and Hugh Leonard out of their money

    True, but I didn't think that it was completely relevant to Mr Murphy's rapid progress up through the FG party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,581 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    True, but I didn't think that it was completely relevant to Mr Murphy's rapid progress up through the FG party.

    It's not but sure what does that matter to the mob.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Ireland has a poverty porn obsession. It's weird. People in other countries don't focus on the homeless anywhere near as much. But it just makes the Irish so smugly self satisfied to obsess about a tiny number of people living in tents mostly due to mental health issues. And then virtue signal about it to a nauseating degree. Sensible people like Murphy are better off in the multinational sector. No hope battling that tide.

    we swapped catholic piety for progressive piety .

    talking about homelessness on twitter from your nice apartment in D6 is like your granny doing the stations of the cross in the local church


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    The housing issue is still very much a product of the 2008 crash and what is now several decades of failure to build adequate social housing.

    I think we’re underestimating the impact of that crash though.
    The reality was at peak we were building 100,000 homes a year. That plummeted to almost none for several years and the capacity hasn’t come back. There have been huge issues with lack of supply and backs that aren’t really in wonderful shape since that era.

    COVID could well still bork the economy for another decade, so I think we need to be a hell of a lot more imaginative on housing policy.

    I don’t think that haranguing one rep really did much to drive that debate though. If anything, it may have achieved the opposite.

    It needs serious politics and people to change voting habits and drive change properly.

    Yep. So many people have either left the construction industry or gone abroad. Plus loads of the big construction companies went under. Then we had few new people trained up for years. Both on the trade and professional side.

    2019 report:
    There has been a 55 per cent decrease in civil and building engineering graduates over the last five years, despite a jump in starting salaries and thousands of job openings in the sector.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/critical-shortage-of-engineering-graduates-1.3816692


    Plus add in the fact that we shut construction down for months and we will have lost many workers to the UK.

    Also the cheap labour from the likes of Poland isnt as plentiful as they are having their own construction boom.

    We haven't the people nor the companies to build the houses required.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I don't have a clue what you're on about, I have know idea where he's from and I don't care.

    He didn't do anything do help the housing crisis and I believe that's because FG don't care about it.

    which party has the dominant position on Dublin City Council ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,599 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    He called Co-Living arrangements "Exciting".... doesn't sound very decent or humane to me. I see that as a step backwards in fact.

    Look, lets be serious here: this was a job for him to do, cause there was nothing else for him to do. This is normal situation for Millionaires kids, they've never had to work for anything and aren't hungry enough to succeed.
    They end up going into things like quangos, politics, on the board of semi-state bodies, acting, music, etc

    We need TD's that most of us can in some way relate to, I fully get he was handed a lemon as the Minister for Housing, but he made things worse rather than better.
    Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

    Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

    The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    jpfahy wrote: »
    You forgot to mention his grandfather Russell Murphy who swindled Gay Byrne and Hugh Leonard out of their money

    What has that got to do with anything?

    Curious do posters really think the family of a TD should be an issue or for that matter their accent background etc.

    To me, it always comes across as a chip on the shoulder more than a concern about their policies.




  • is_that_so wrote: »
    Kate O'Connell to mount a comeback?

    Maria Bailey might swing into the constituency from Dún Laoghaire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

    Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

    The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.

    It was used to score political points.

    You are actually quite correct about co-living. It is a minority of housing provision for a minority of people who want it. They should have their housing needs looked after too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Bitter post tbh. Most people elected to a council for the first time have no experience in politics, it is the lowest rung of political representation ladder in Ireland after all.

    Matt Carthy has never held a job outside politics according to his linkedin.

    https://ie.linkedin.com/in/matt-carthy-6562b047


    Too many of these types in all parties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,599 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    In fairness to bacik she has worked for many many years on women’s rights etc. Also is a professor of law.

    You can knock her on some issues but there’s no denying She has a lot of experience and expertise.

    A lot of experience and expertise in being rejected by the electorate one might say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    They work well in other countries.

    I would have liked to live in one in my 20s instead of a houseshare.

    Lots of things work well in other countries that don't work well here and vice versa

    Co-living would have been an absolute disaster, it would have been Darndale/Ballymun 2.0
    Most people who are for these kind of arrangements have never had to live in them or spend time around them.
    They are a disaster and create more problems than they solve.

    It'd be fine if they moved a bunch of professionals in, but they would more likely move in lone parents that are unable to work due to raising their children, and layabouts that don't want to work. This creates a perfect storm for major social problems.

    Irish people have a "Mind your own business" mentality, which is actually quite unique to us. And that is the core reason these kind of housing arrangements do not work.
    Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market.

    It was never marketed as that to us though.
    It was was perceived as the end Solution.

    And just to put something in perspective for you, I used to work for a bank in the IT dept.
    We had at least 15 software Devs working on day rate contracts €400/500 per day working mon-fri that were commuting from the UK
    These people arrived in Dublin on the first flight on Monday morning and then stayed in a hotel until Fri and then flew home. Hotel stays were tax deductible so it didn't actually cost very much. They were all friends and could have rented an apartment together but didn't, quite simply because they were high earners and didn't want to.
    So what reason is there to believe that they'd all suddenly go into a co living arrangement (That would probably cost more!)

    It was a MAD idea designed to get a load of people on the housing list off the housing list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭archfi


    Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

    Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

    The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.


    And the rent prices and contract lengths were going to be...?

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Pandiculation


    Yep. So many people have either left the construction industry or gone abroad. Plus loads of the big construction companies went under. Then we had few new people trained up for years. Both on the trade and professional side.

    2019 report:



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/critical-shortage-of-engineering-graduates-1.3816692


    Plus add in the fact that we shut construction down for months and we will have lost many workers to the UK.

    Also the cheap labour from the likes of Poland isnt as plentiful as they are having their own construction boom.

    We haven't the people nor the companies to build the houses required.

    I also know a few people who worked in construction here from other parts of the EU who were in no rush to come back when it did take off too as they felt they’d had their fingers burnt by how suddenly it collapsed here in 2008. There was a lot of upheaval for people who had built lives here in the early 2000s.

    I think though the huge risk now is a COVID driven global impact recession.

    This pandemic still has a long way to run.

    The only positive is it might also open up more remote working options which could fill some of those ghost estates in the midlands and so on, taking a lot of pressure off Dublin and other cities housing stock but it also has downsides in terms of potentially reducing urban economic activity.

    There a lot of stuff to play out yet and a lot of unknowable unknowns.

    Hopefully we’ve learnt the lesson that healthcare and housing are as essential to the economy and national security as motorways, power stations and airports.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,599 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    archfi wrote: »
    And the rent prices and contract lengths were going to be...?

    Three were going to be whatever the market price for such accommodation is. In London they are relatively expensive and leases were short, typically month to month. Some places were week to week.

    As I said, thry designed for short term stays (but longer than one might stay in a hotel) and places for migrant workers to find their feet when arriving in a new country. They weren't a bad idea and there was room for them in the accommodation mix.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Lots of things work well in other countries that don't work well here and vice versa

    Co-living would have been an absolute disaster, it would have been Darndale/Ballymun 2.0
    Most people who are for these kind of arrangements have never had to live in them or spend time around them.
    They are a disaster and create more problems than they solve.

    It'd be fine if they moved a bunch of professionals in, but they would more likely move in lone parents that are unable to work due to raising their children, and layabouts that don't want to work. This creates a perfect storm for major social problems.

    Irish people have a "Mind your own business" mentality, which is actually quite unique to us. And that is the core reason these kind of housing arrangements do not work.

    The left in opposition ie SF SD Lab etc claim they want a Nordic style model for Ireland.

    Yet they dont want highrise,co-living,property tax etc.

    Its almost as if they are full of shi1t.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Toxic??? Wouldn’t go that far at all. Why do you say that.

    Her record in elections.

    Following her campaigning over the years.

    I was on one election following her through Dublin 8 for a few days. She had 12 Labour Reps with her the full time knocking on doors and one rep was Rauri Quinn from a Friday to Monday. This was in the 00's, (I'll have to check photo files for exact one).
    What struck me was how she introduced herself, even though she lived about 8 doors down, everyone was a total stranger. There was no house that knew her. She let Quinn do all the introductions and talking. When she tried to engage with people on the street she was roundly dismissed, whilst Quinn was given a big "Hi Rauri".

    Another election, a bye-election on the Northside I caught up with her again for a day campaigning outside the Phibsborough Shopping Centre. It was about the 20th time I'd met her, I was even on her quiz team once and at a small house wedding (16 people) but of course she needed me to introduce myself all over again (if you're not in her sphere you're no one).
    I asked her what connection she had with the Northside and she said "my husband's from the Northside so that qualifies me!!" and laughed her head off. No one else was laughing. During the 6 hours or so I was with her that day the reception she got was brutal. She brushed people off as soon as she suspected they weren't her "set". They were brushed off quickly and plentiful.

    To see her people skills and the reaction she recieved I popped her into the box as "toxic", meaning to me- not a popular person and not a person people will vote for. And they didn't, never have.

    I'm using the word "toxic" only in a political attraction frame.

    I always make sure to say Hi to her, even though it's usually received with a snooty look down her nose- before the lockdown I was with Rosalean McDonagh from Pavee Point, she's a fairly well known Traveller advocate. We were outside having coffee and Ivana walks by, "Hiiii Rosalean!! (they know each other from Trinity)...how are you! and Hi who are you? Are you connected with Pavee..". No Ivana, we've met before. Many times.

    She is an awful snob, like really awful. I kinda like her- but I wouldn't vote for her. But who does?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    The left in opposition ie SF SD Lab etc claim they want a Nordic style model for Ireland.

    Yet they dont want highrise,co-living,property tax etc.

    Its almost as if they are full of shi1t.

    I fully agree with you!

    We do need high rise, but it needs to be done in a way which is unique and compatible with "How Irish People Are", to my knowledge there has never been study on this, and we constantly look at what other people are doing and try there ideas rather than come up with our own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Never the parents fault.

    Always the government.

    Perception is always more powerful than reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,911 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Will FF/FG/Green do the unionist thing and have an agreed candidate?

    I see the 'West Brit' implication was nicely slid in there - well played. Very dexterous indeed :rolleyes:

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Pandiculation



    Irish people have a "Mind your own business" mentality, which is actually quite unique to us. And that is the core reason these kind of housing arrangements do not work.
    .

    I don’t agree with that being unique to us. Having lived in a few places on the continent I’d actually have said that’s far more pronounced in say Belgium, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Germany or even France. They aren’t slow to say “Occupe-toi de tes oignons!!!”

    I think the concept of co-living is just awful tbh. You need privacy. It’s a basic human right.

    That being said, we’ve extensive ad hoc co living with many younger adults having no option but to house share.

    I’d prefer the pokey Parisian studio apartment to either coliving or a house share here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    I brief history of Eoghan Murphy

    ...

    Fingers crossed SF will run a strong candidate in the by election and get them down to 83.

    Grateful for that unbiased history.
    He was a poor TD, way out of his depth and suffering from "How could you not possibly love me?" syndrome

    Was it his accent that so offended you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    I really don't give a damn who wins this seat so long as it's not Bacik or Chu. I'll even grudgingly tolerate FFG.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    humberklog wrote: »
    Her record in elections.

    Following her campaigning over the years.

    I was on one election following her through Dublin 8 for a few days. She had 12 Labour Reps with her the full time knocking on doors and one rep was Rauri Quinn who was giving time off his own campaign to help her from a Friday to Monday. This was in the 00's, (I'll have to check photo files for exact one).
    What struck me was how she introduced herself, even though she lived about 8 doors down, everyone was a total stranger. There was no house that knew her. She let Quinn do all the introductions and talking. When she tried to engage with people on the street she was roundly dismissed, whilst Quinn was given a big "Hi Rauri".

    Another election, a bye-election on the Northside I caught up with her again for a day campaigning outside the Phibsborough Shopping Centre. It was about the 20th time I'd met her, I was even on her quiz team once and at a small house wedding (16 people) but of course she needed me to introduce myself all over again (if you're not in her sphere you're no one).
    I asked her what connection she had with the Northside and she said "my husband's from the Northside so that qualifies me!!" and laughed her head off. No one else was laughing. During the 6 hours or so I was with her that day the reception she got was brutal. She brushed people off as soon as she suspected they weren't her "set". They were brushed off quickly and plentiful.

    To see her people skills and the reaction she recieved I popped her into the box as "toxic", meaning to me- not a popular person and not a person people will vote for. And they didn't, never have.

    I'm using the word "toxic" only in a political attraction frame.

    I always make sure to say Hi to her, even though it's usually received with a snooty look down her nose- before the lockdown I was with Rosalean McDonagh from Pavee Point, she's a fairly well known Traveller advocate. We were outside having coffee and Ivana walks by, "Hiiii Rosalean!! (they know each other from Trinity)...how are you! and Hi who are you? Are you connected with Pavee..". No Ivana, we've met before. Many times.

    She is an awful snob, like really awful. I kinda like her- but I wouldn't vote for her. But who does?

    Or maybe you are a completely unremarkable and unmemorable person, so much so that a person who has multiple meetings with you has no recollection .....who knows !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,979 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I brief history of Eoghan Murphy

    39 years old
    Born in Sandymount
    5 siblings
    Father is Henry Murphy (Senior Counsel on the Mahon tribunal Team, he made over €2m on this tribunal)
    Went to fee paying school St Michael's College
    "Worked" for UN up until 2008
    In 2009 he was elected to Pembroke–Rathmines Council having no prior political experience (At the age 27)
    After just 2 years he was elected to the Dail in 2011 (At the age of 29)
    Made minister for housing in 2017 and had a motion of no confidence tabled against him on that year.
    In 2019 a 2nd motion of no confidence was tabled against him.

    By far the most controversial change he made during his time as a housing minister, he gave builder/developers the ability to bypass local councils, this in turn allowed said builders and developers to build what ever they wanted, where ever they wanted without any reasonable planning.
    He also had other hair brained ideas like "Co-living"

    He was a poor TD, way out of his depth and suffering from "How could you not possibly love me?" syndrome
    He some how managed to get into politics at 27 despite having no political career prior to that, (He worked on Arms regulation at the UN, a far cry from international relations/politics) No doubt he was pushed along by the wealth of Parents (as are his siblings).

    It was clear that politics was "Something for him to do", he's never had to do a tap in his life. (Along with a great many other TD's from South Dublin)
    He's a complete disconnect with an average member of the electorate.

    Chris Andrews got in 2nd on the 8th count in 2020, fingers crossed SF will run a strong candidate in the by election and get them down to 83
    This governments performance has been appalling to say the least, I'd say he wanted to leave a few months back, but was asked to stay until covid issue had settled a bit.

    The bits in bold are falsehoods being peddled.
    Readers should be aware that they are lies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    Was never all that mad on Eoghan Murphy, but thats a quick exit from politics, suppose more profit in private and less sh1t to shovel.

    Chu may well be in the running for this, but since she runs green wouldn't this mean her and ryan could take a hit in the next GE. HAven't seen much of her, but commentary on here can be very mixed.

    Who do FG have lined up for a potential replacement?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Or maybe you are a completely unremarkable and unmemorable person, so much so that a person who has multiple meetings with you has no recollection .....who knows !

    That is undeniable and totally agree.

    But she's still toxic on the ballot paper.

    They're not mutually exclusive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

    Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

    The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.


    Yes, I'm all for co-living, but at 500pm, not at 1300 pm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,574 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Wants a Europe gravy boat pay job, no loss imho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The left in opposition ie SF SD Lab etc claim they want a Nordic style model for Ireland.

    Yet they dont want highrise,co-living,property tax etc.

    No need for high-rise.

    Just 4 - 6 - maybe 8 storeys inside the canals in Dublin.

    No need for 20 floors, or skyscrapers.

    Just knock 2 storey houses and replace with tens of thousands of 6 storey apartments.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Best of luck in his new career in lobbying, The taxpayer will probably wind up paying him to pull strokes for some NGO that will cost joe taxpayer even more. Who'd be a TD indeed. Or maybe he'll do sweet FA like he did as minister for housing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Was never all that mad on Eoghan Murphy, but thats a quick exit from politics, suppose more profit in private and less sh1t to shovel.

    Chu may well be in the running for this, but since she runs green wouldn't this mean her and ryan could take a hit in the next GE. HAven't seen much of her, but commentary on here can be very mixed.

    Who do FG have lined up for a potential replacement?

    He'd basically disappeared from public life and never came across as someone mad for work so something must have happened ,


  • Administrators Posts: 54,108 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I brief history of Eoghan Murphy

    39 years old
    Born in Sandymount
    5 siblings
    Father is Henry Murphy (Senior Counsel on the Mahon tribunal Team, he made over €2m on this tribunal)
    Went to fee paying school St Michael's College
    "Worked" for UN up until 2008
    In 2009 he was elected to Pembroke–Rathmines Council having no prior political experience (At the age 27)
    After just 2 years he was elected to the Dail in 2011 (At the age of 29)
    Made minister for housing in 2017 and had a motion of no confidence tabled against him on that year.
    In 2019 a 2nd motion of no confidence was tabled against him.

    By far the most controversial change he made during his time as a housing minister, he gave builder/developers the ability to bypass local councils, this in turn allowed said builders and developers to build what ever they wanted, where ever they wanted without any reasonable planning.
    He also had other hair brained ideas like "Co-living"

    He was a poor TD, way out of his depth and suffering from "How could you not possibly love me?" syndrome
    He some how managed to get into politics at 27 despite having no political career prior to that, (He worked on Arms regulation at the UN, a far cry from international relations/politics) No doubt he was pushed along by the wealth of Parents (as are his siblings).

    It was clear that politics was "Something for him to do", he's never had to do a tap in his life. (Along with a great many other TD's from South Dublin)
    He's a complete disconnect with an average member of the electorate.

    Chris Andrews got in 2nd on the 8th count in 2020, fingers crossed SF will run a strong candidate in the by election and get them down to 83
    This governments performance has been appalling to say the least, I'd say he wanted to leave a few months back, but was asked to stay until covid issue had settled a bit.

    Andrews just about got in last time, I'm not sure he'd be very happy if SF put another strong candidate in beside him. Real risk of cannibalism there and the party ending up with nothing next time out.

    SF might just run someone for the experience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,009 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

    Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

    The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.


    Here's what baffles me. Is this the kind of working and living standards we are going to accept?
    Live in box, work in box, die in box and be buried in one? You will own noting and owe your soul to the factory store, all this determined by people that live in mansions. Are we going back to this?





    It's inhuman, literally. I've become convinced that high density urban living is driving populations literally insane.
    We have allowed our government's to turn our society into Calhoun's mouse utopia experiment and I expect no different or less disturbing results:



    Murphy, if nothing else should be ashamed for trying perpetrate this on the Irish people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Kumejima


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    I really don't give a damn who wins this seat so long as it's not Bacik or Chu. I'll even grudgingly tolerate FFG.


    The Irish electorate:
    "Ivana Bacik?"
    "No-I-dont-vana Bacik"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    humberklog wrote: »
    That is undeniable and totally agree.

    But she's still toxic on the ballot paper.

    They're not mutually exclusive.

    My comment was in jest btw.

    Ah no, being completely honest I see your point.

    Bacik comes from a very privileged background

    She has had a “charmed existence”. Prof of law in TCD and a senator for many many years.

    Regardless of her experience I agree with you that her life is very much removed from joe public


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Reading about how Hazel Chu will have the media support, I'm not thinking that myself, I think she's lost that backing by beating the one drum too often and out of sync. I had followed her on SM and had respect for her, this changed over the last while. Listening to a privileged woman who is the Lord Mayor of Dublin and has done the sum total of nothing tell us she is being held back by her sex/race etc is just all kinds of wrong. And then she pee'd up the back of those working woth homeless and rough sleepers, silly stuff that should have been prioritised.

    Her reason for running for senate was so she could tell her daughter she wanted to stand for something. Well maybe don't tell the daughter you already had a role you were supposedly committed to.

    So as somebody who 12 months ago probably would have supported her, I'm a definite no, keep her out of the Dail, useless mé féiner.

    And her husband is a TD in my constituency, he does nearly as little as Aongus O'Snodaigh who's been on a milk carton since GE2020.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,257 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Is his brother still mad for the "fizzy ordange"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,738 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

    Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

    The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.

    I have no problem with these co-living places. Think they are good idea for people who may be living in Dublin for a short time.

    I lived in co-living arrangement in Paris when living there in my 20's. Have to say it was grand, own room, yes there were shared showers and toilets but each had their own door so it wasn't like showers in a changing room or anything like that. Then there was a canteen area where you could get your dinner or bring in your dinner to eat and lounging area. This was before wifi and internet but as I said I had no problem with it and it should be an option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,257 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Cal4567 wrote: »
    And didn't he struggle enough last year from memory, in getting elected. What actually is 'international affairs'?


    International affairs? It just means doing the dirt on your missus with a younger, hotter, Eastern European model


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,574 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is his brother still mad for the "fizzy ordange"?

    Oh yes Tommy from Love Hate, last he was investigating Dublin Murders


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Pandiculation


    Floppybits wrote: »
    I have no problem with these co-living places. Think they are good idea for people who may be living in Dublin for a short time.

    I lived in co-living arrangement in Paris when living there in my 20's. Have to say it was grand, own room, yes there were shared showers and toilets but each had their own door so it wasn't like showers in a changing room or anything like that. Then there was a canteen area where you could get your dinner or bring in your dinner to eat and lounging area. This was before wifi and internet but as I said I had no problem with it and it should be an option.

    The issue here is it’s being pitched at a high price point and as an option that’s comparable to real apartments

    Long term co-living isn’t an acceptable solution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Foxconn living, that worked out well, didnt it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭ax530


    I'm just interested in what international affairs actually is sounds a very specific thing to leave a job for when he doesn't actually have a role lined up.
    If someone said to me they wanted a job in international affairs I would think it Government based rather than Industry.
    Big risk leaving a €90+ package to say looking for work in international affairs so must be confident there are jobs to be had in that area.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I feel sorry for Oliver Callan
    Theres a whole centrepiece gone


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