Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

LollipopJimmy

Pandiculation wrote: »

The issue here is it’s being pitched at a high price point and as an option that’s comparable to real apartments

Long term co-living isn’t an acceptable solution.

This is it really. If co-living is to be a viable option it needs to be a fixed price and extremely affordable. Thing is here it's looking like it's going to cost the same as an apartment in Dublin

MrMusician18

conorhal wrote: »

Here's what baffles me. Is this the kind of working and living standards we are going to accept?
Live in box, work in box, die in box and be buried in one? You will own noting and owe your soul to the factory store, all this determined by people that live in mansions. Are we going back to this?




It's inhuman, literally. I've become convinced that high density urban living is driving populations literally insane.
We have allowed our government's to turn our society into Calhoun's mouse utopia experiment and I expect no different or less disturbing results:


Murphy, if nothing else should be ashamed for trying perpetrate this on the Irish people.

Co living is no more inhumane than a house share, which is just coliving on a smaller scale.

The way some people are going on with their ridiculous hyperbole you'd swear he had been forcing people into gulags.

gormdubhgorm

TheValeyard wrote: »

I wouldnt be a fan of his. But no one deserves that treatment, anyone brave enough to put themselves forward for election should be commended.

People get swept up in the 'them and us' party politics.

That is why I always like voting for an Independent with a bit of 'go' in them. Unfortunately there is not any in my constituency anymore.

More unfortunate is that the good independents seem to get hoovered up and cajoled by the political parties after awhile. At least they have local issues at heart though, and are not completely beholden to a political party.

Politicians from political parties annoy me in that sense. Because some of the stuff they say is just because they are in government or in opposition. It is not because they actually believe it.

Some poor eejit will get Murphy's job now and no doubt there will be a few well planned drip feeds of new builds, schemes etc to put a spin on it.

And then the other crowd will say how they would have done it much better.
The cycle continues.

McMurphy

Marine Layer wrote: »

I feel sorry for Oliver Callan
Theres a whole centrepiece gone

Worry not Marine Layer, he's ("Murphs") staying on apparently..

https://twitter.com/olivercallan/status/1386984288239947777?s=19

Cal4567

humberklog wrote: »

Her record in elections.

Following her campaigning over the years.

I was on one election following her through Dublin 8 for a few days. She had 12 Labour Reps with her the full time knocking on doors and one rep was Rauri Quinn from a Friday to Monday. This was in the 00's, (I'll have to check photo files for exact one).
What struck me was how she introduced herself, even though she lived about 8 doors down, everyone was a total stranger. There was no house that knew her. She let Quinn do all the introductions and talking. When she tried to engage with people on the street she was roundly dismissed, whilst Quinn was given a big "Hi Rauri".

Another election, a bye-election on the Northside I caught up with her again for a day campaigning outside the Phibsborough Shopping Centre. It was about the 20th time I'd met her, I was even on her quiz team once and at a small house wedding (16 people) but of course she needed me to introduce myself all over again (if you're not in her sphere you're no one).
I asked her what connection she had with the Northside and she said "my husband's from the Northside so that qualifies me!!" and laughed her head off. No one else was laughing. During the 6 hours or so I was with her that day the reception she got was brutal. She brushed people off as soon as she suspected they weren't her "set". They were brushed off quickly and plentiful.

To see her people skills and the reaction she recieved I popped her into the box as "toxic", meaning to me- not a popular person and not a person people will vote for. And they didn't, never have.

I'm using the word "toxic" only in a political attraction frame.

I always make sure to say Hi to her, even though it's usually received with a snooty look down her nose- before the lockdown I was with Rosalean McDonagh from Pavee Point, she's a fairly well known Traveller advocate. We were outside having coffee and Ivana walks by, "Hiiii Rosalean!! (they know each other from Trinity)...how are you! and Hi who are you? Are you connected with Pavee..". No Ivana, we've met before. Many times.

She is an awful snob, like really awful. I kinda like her- but I wouldn't vote for her. But who does?

Politeness won't permit me to say who I am talking about but in the course of my working life I have had the opportunity to meet quite a few people who are in the public eye. I've never met Ivana Bacik but I have come across other politicians both here and in the US. You really do need to have that common touch, to be a people person. It's an ability to engage and emphasise - if not all the time, certainly on the campaign trail.

When I read the above, I just think 'champagne socialist' which is a problem many of the Left, although not all, have in their engagement with ordinary people. Of course, the same could be said for some of those on the Right as well.

Floppybits

Pandiculation wrote: »

The issue here is it’s being pitched at a high price point and as an option that’s comparable to real apartments

Long term co-living isn’t an acceptable solution.

The right balance needs to be found and that is the job of the Minister introducing this sort of living. All manner of people need this sort of living arrangement like those coming into the country on a temporary basis to do a contracting job or seasonal work and also for those people whose circumstances have changed and may need to avail of this living accommodation till they get back on their feet. Or maybe bring back bedsits.

take everything

This guy was completely useless and out of his depth.
No loss at all.

StupidLikeAFox

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Eamon Ryan topped the poll here last time out. Im not sure how much of that was a personal vote, but a green candidate may do very well here.

Kate OConnell narrowly missed out to Jim OCallaghan, but FG ran two candidates so she is prob the favourite.

Some lad called Sean OLeary only got 12 votes, wonder will he give it another crack

Leo hates her guts with a vengeance since she gobbed off a bit too much during the FG leadership vote process where she was up for Coveney.

He went out of his way on a number of occasions to ensure that she didn't get near a Seanad seat since she lost out in the last election.

If he has his wish he'd want someone else up as the FG candidate. He doesn't want her back in the Dail.

Beta Ray Bill

iffandonlyif wrote: »

Grateful for that unbiased history.

Was it his accent that so offended you?

You're very welcome.
Accents don't offend me.

markodaly wrote: »

The bits in bold are falsehoods being peddled.
Readers should be aware that they are lies.

They are not:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/approval-granted-for-more-than-650-apartments-beside-st-anne-s-park-in-dublin-1.4177374
^^^ this one is a disgrace ^^^

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/plan-for-550-apartments-on-chivers-site-leaves-sour-taste-1.4123796

https://www.thejournal.ie/apartments-planning-permission-clongriffin-4942417-Dec2019/

Builders are being told they can build what they want now.
Just because it's not happening near you, does not mean it's not happening

awec wrote: »

Andrews just about got in last time, I'm not sure he'd be very happy if SF put another strong candidate in beside him. Real risk of cannibalism there and the party ending up with nothing next time out.

SF might just run someone for the experience.

You're probably right.
Chu would be be 2nd choice, I'm not a fan of the greens but she seems to be a decent person.

MrMusician18

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

are in government or in opposition. It is not because they actually believe it.

Some poor eejit will get Murphy's job now and no doubt there will be a few well planned drip feeds of new builds, schemes etc to put a spin on it.

.

Murphy hasn't held the housing portfolio, or indeed any ministerial post since the election last year.

MrMusician18

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

You're very welcome.
Accents don't offend me.



They are not:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/approval-granted-for-more-than-650-apartments-beside-st-anne-s-park-in-dublin-1.4177374
^^^ this one is a disgrace ^^^

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/plan-for-550-apartments-on-chivers-site-leaves-sour-taste-1.4123796

https://www.thejournal.ie/apartments-planning-permission-clongriffin-4942417-Dec2019/

Builders are being told they can build what they want now.
Just because it's not happening near you, does not mean it's not happening

Complains about the lack of housing and complains about housing projects. :rolleyes:

Builders cannot build what they want, the SHD development effectively skips the local authority end of planning and goes straight to the appeals process - development that would've ended up in appeals anyway.

Sunny Disposition

He was an absolutely disastrous minister for housing, Murphy was a huge factor in the success of SF last year, who pushed the simple but indisputably effective idea of building more houses to cope with the shortage.

Shebean

Part of the new breed social media lot. Lacking substance and skill.
He peaked before he was ready, not saying he ever would have been.
He wasn't fit for the Housing job and was unlikely to rise so high ever again after being found out. He's right to stop taking up space.

leath_dub

markodaly wrote: »

The bits in bold are falsehoods being peddled.
Readers should be aware that they are lies.

https://rebuildingireland.ie/news/new-regulations-to-fast-track-large-scale-housing-developments/


Turned an Bord Pleanala into a Super-Quango, with no accountability for whatever adjudications they make

seamus

As someone almost exactly the same age as him, I can understand why he would give up the "gravy train" as others call it. I think he was pulled into cabinet positions early because he was seen as a strong up-and-comer and being young he'd inject new life into FG's politics.

He was out of depth though, as housing minister his comms were unnecessarily conservative, less compassion, more matter-of-fact. That's not objectively a bad thing, but it's the kind of thing Sinn Fein jump all over and will hurt you on the street when people are shouting, "WHAT ABOUT DE HOMELESS".

He no doubt foresaw a political career that would require him to sit backbench for another few years and for the rest of his career answer snide remarks about his time as Minister for Housing. Or he could use his success in politics as a springboard to pursue what he actually wanted to do, in a role that didn't require people ripping you apart for no other reason than their own political gain.

I know what I'd pick.

Beta Ray Bill

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Complains about the lack of housing and complains about housing projects. :rolleyes:

Builders cannot build what they want, the SHD development effectively skips the local authority end of planning and goes straight to the appeals process - development that would've ended up in appeals anyway.

The bit in bold should say: "Lack of correct housing in the correct area".
There is plenty of stock for sale (3400 properties in Dublin alone)
Renting however is tight (780 properties in Dublin)

The problem with the properties for sale is that very few of them are affordable .

It baffles me that the Local Authority are responsible for servicing any said development once people move in but have absolutely no say in the planning stage as they're skipped. How can that be a good idea?

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

He was an absolutely disastrous minister for housing, Murphy was a huge factor in the success of SF last year, who pushed the simple but indisputably effective idea of building more houses to cope with the shortage.

100%!
One thing I'll say on that, there was never a shortage of housing when FF were in power.... (As much as it makes me sick to say that)

Mav11

Don't know if it has been answered before but any Labour candidate of note in that area? Labour could do well?

Sunny Disposition

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

The bit in bold should say: "Lack of correct housing in the correct area".
There is plenty of stock for sale (3400 properties in Dublin alone)
Renting however is tight (780 properties in Dublin)

The problem with the properties for sale is that very few of them are affordable .

It baffles me that the Local Authority are responsible for servicing any said development once people move in but have absolutely no say in the planning stage as they're skipped. How can that be a good idea?




100%!
One thing I'll say on that, there was never a shortage of housing when FF were in power.... (As much as it makes me sick to say that)

Don't know if the last part is true, during the Celtic Tiger people were buying because there was perceived to be a shortage which was leading to higher and higher prices. It's not as acute as it is now though. FF really had the same policies as FG followed in recent years, incentivise builders and buyers, rather than for the State to take a major role. In general thinking has changed though, high prices were seen as a great sign that the economy was flying from circa 1998 to 2007.
I found Murphy particularly odious when he was talking about planning permission, trying to pretend it was infernal bureaucracy that was to blame, despite the countless awful developments we have in Ireland. He genuinely tried to blame having a proper planning process for the situation, not failed neo liberal policy.

Jinglejangle69

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

The bit in bold should say: "Lack of correct housing in the correct area".
There is plenty of stock for sale (3400 properties in Dublin alone)
Renting however is tight (780 properties in Dublin)

The problem with the properties for sale is that very few of them are affordable .

It baffles me that the Local Authority are responsible for servicing any said development once people move in but have absolutely no say in the planning stage as they're skipped. How can that be a good idea?




100%!
One thing I'll say on that, there was never a shortage of housing when FF were in power.... (As much as it makes me sick to say that)

Yeah all those houses ay.

That ended well in 2006.

Kivaro

Mav11 wrote: »

Don't know if it has been answered before but any Labour candidate of note in that area? Labour could do well?

Are you talking about the crowd who are now reversing the 2004 Referendum, and negating the will of 80% of the Irish people?

PunkIPA

Senator Ivana Bacik will almost definitely be the Labour candidate.

Banana Republic 1

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Harris had a disaster in Health. His confidence vote brought down the government prematurely with disastrous consequences in terms of FG seats. Yet Harris was rewarded with a seat at the cabinet for a ministry most people don't know anything about. Murphy got nothing.

Ya FG are a joke.

Banana Republic 1

PunkIPA wrote: »

Senator Ivana Bacik will almost definitely be the Labour candidate.

3 way woke off.

Colonel Claptrap

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who was doing this? Sinn Fein supporters?

From what I could tell, there was a group of PBP supporters along with a dodgy looking gang of hard men from the Dessie Ellis camp.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

Are you talking about the crowd who are now reversing the 2004 Referendum, and negating the will of 80% of the Irish people?

No they are not.

Mav11

PunkIPA wrote: »

Senator Ivana Bacik will almost definitely be the Labour candidate.

God no! I take it back:eek:

Wanderer78

i wish him the very best of luck, im sure he ll be very successful, just as much success hes had in resolving our housing issues

Donald Trump

Will this be an opportunity for the resident boards.ie perennial moaning hurlers on the ditch to throw their hat into the election ring?

An Ri rua

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Might quieten her cough a bit if she isn’t as popular as she thinks she is.

Is that likely negative outcome then best termed a Chu-In?

Grassy Knoll

Murphy has probably read the runes, opting for a high paid job as a private citizen in some international organisation populated by similar types. What is not to like? ... probably he figured out the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

Politics is a dirty business, fortunately for him he has options unlike some of the other turnips. As housing minister he didn’t distinguish himself but I suppose the posh boy juxtaposed against homeless folk was never going to play out for him. Ironically he was pitted against another opposition south side posh boy decked out in Mao gear.

zom

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I was in the RDS count centre when he was returned in the last election. The boos and slurs from a certain cohort was disgusting.
Who would want to be a politician in this day and age? Not me.

Great number of people find such career satisfying and fulfilling. You dont get to the Dail as a punishment.

skimpydoo

If FF or FG don't win this by election? Does it spell bad news for the government?

humberklog

I reckon Gemma O' Doherty will throw her (tin foil) hat in the ring too.

smurgen

He was a waster. Good riddance. An absolute spoofer of the highest order who didn't know how the real world worked.https://twitter.com/Taiwo_Oifigiuil/status/1386973632023441409?s=19

blanch152

skimpydoo wrote: »

If FF or FG don't win this by election? Does it spell bad news for the government?

No, governments rarely win by-elections.

If they were to win it though, it would be a huge boost for that particular reason.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

He was a waster. Good riddance. An absolute spoofer of the highest order who didn't know how the real world worked.https://twitter.com/Taiwo_Oifigiuil/status/1386973632023441409?s=19

Ah yes.



You think the only reason for tents is Murphy?

You don't think there is a myriad of reasons as to why there are tents.

Are you aware that every country in the world has homeless people.

Did you expect Murphy to crack the age old problem of homelessness throughout the world?

A spoofer you say.

Come join us in the SF thread, you have vanished from it today?

Ha Long Bay

Ahsurethatsit wrote: »

We have homeless numbers at ridiculous levels for a decade because of FF/FG but its alright because other countries have homeless issues

We don't really though there are currently 5,974 people housed in emergency accommodation from a population of around 5 million people which is around 0.12%


https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b5b46-homeless-report-february-2021/


The number of rough sleepers was 139 which is around 0.003 of the population.


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1222/1185997-homeless/

Jinglejangle69

Ahsurethatsit wrote: »

We have homeless numbers at ridiculous levels for a decade because of FF/FG but its alright because other countries have homeless issues

Noone said its alright.

We have many issues in the world that aren't alright.

Doesn't mean there is a magic quick fix, and they certainly aren't gonna be fixed by Eoghan Murphy.

jmcc

glasso wrote: »

Leo hates her guts with a vengeance since she gobbed off a bit too much during the FG leadership vote process where she was up for Coveney.

He went out of his way on a number of occasions to ensure that she didn't get near a Seanad seat since she lost out in the last election.

If he has his wish he'd want someone else up as the FG candidate. He doesn't want her back in the Dail.

I think that she's a potential future leader of FG the way things are going. She's the right kind of FGer (FG family, small business owner, good media performer etc).

That piece in the Examiner a while back showed that she wasn't pleased with losing her Dail seat. She definitely was a Coveney supporter and there might be a struggle to get a Varadkar candidate in for the byelection as Varadkar is damaged goods. (Led FG to one of its worst GE results ever and is under criminal investigation with the file yet to be sent to the DPP). Depending on what happens with the DPP, Varadkar may not even be the leader of FG when the byelection happens.

Regards...jmcc

zerosugarbuzz

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Ah yes.



You think the only reason for tents is Murphy?

You don't think there is a myriad of reasons as to why there are tents.

Are you aware that every country in the world has homeless people.

Did you expect Murphy to crack the age old problem of homelessness throughout the world?

A spoofer you say.

Come join us in the SF thread, you have vanished from it today?

Other than older alcoholic men there was very little homelessness in Ireland pre 2013. Maybe some people forget that.

zerosugarbuzz

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

We don't really though there are currently 5,974 people housed in emergency accommodation from a population of around 5 million people which is around 0.12%


https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b5b46-homeless-report-february-2021/


The number of rough sleepers was 139 which is around 0.003 of the population.


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1222/1185997-homeless/

That is the tip of the iceberg, though I doubt you’ll find it so trivial if it happens to you. There are at least 4 families that I personally know on my road who have adult children living back at home with them due to lack of affordable options. All working adults too. You’d want to literally be brain dead not to acknowledge there is a critical housing shortage.

PommieBast

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

The number of rough sleepers was 139 which is around 0.003 of the population.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/1222/1185997-homeless/

The 139 figure is for Dublin, not nationwide. This figure is also likely an undercount looking at how many tents and sleeping bags are on Henry Street alone these days.

VinLieger

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Other than older alcoholic men there was very little homelessness in Ireland pre 2013. Maybe some people forget that.

Any verifiable data to back that wild claim up?

Wanderer78

Our housing problems are becoming more catastrophic by the day, it's extremely disturbing to watch

plastic glass

PommieBast wrote: »

The 139 figure is for Dublin, not nationwide. This figure is also likely an undercount looking at how many tents and sleeping bags are on Henry Street alone these days.

Which points to us having a drug problem in Ireland and not a homeless problem

Wanderer78

plastic glass wrote:

Which points to us having a drug problem in Ireland and not a homeless problem

It actually points to a multitude of serious problems, it ultimate shows multi system failure, from a welfare system, health care system, legal system, accommodation system, and beyond.....

titan18

blanch152 wrote: »

No, governments rarely win by-elections.

If they were to win it though, it would be a huge boost for that particular reason.

Considering the constituency it would be a massive loss imo if one of them didn't get in. FG should be the favourites but Greens also get a lot of votes there. There's only really 4 viable options to get elected and 3 of them will be government parties.

ThunbergsAreGo

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

That is the tip of the iceberg, though I doubt you’ll find it so trivial if it happens to you. There are at least 4 families that I personally know on my road who have adult children living back at home with them due to lack of affordable options. All working adults too. You’d want to literally be brain dead not to acknowledge there is a critical housing shortage.

Yes, and the laser like focus on homelessness and social housing as the most important housing issue is likely to see the having to live there much longer.

There are not enough houses full stop

Wanderer78

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes, and the laser like focus on homelessness and social housing as the most important housing issue is likely to see the having to live there much longer.

There are not enough houses full stop

lack of housing supply is only one element of whats wrong, another critical element is that we keep defaulting towards the private sector money supply, credit, in order to try provide it, this is clearly failing

Jinglejangle69

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Other than older alcoholic men there was very little homelessness in Ireland pre 2013. Maybe some people forget that.

There was homeless families in hotels all through the celtic tiger.

And maybe a small matter of a massive recession fuelled by too many houses and credit happened and escalated the issue.