Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

Teacher2020

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Why would they stand aside? It’s at least a chance to build a candidate’s profile for the future though I do agree it’s a safe FG seat... unless Hazel Chu gives it a good rattle.

Because GP and FF don't want a candidate to be elected.
Hazel Chu would have a chance of being elected and there's no way that the Greens would get 2 seats in the next general election. If they ran two candidates they may not even get a single seat.
Same with FF.

I see sheep

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I was in the RDS count centre when he was returned in the last election. The boos and slurs from a certain cohort was disgusting.

Who would want to be a politician in this day and age? Not me.

My heart bleeds for him.

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

My heart bleeds for him.

boards.ie attracts more than its share of mean spirited people.

Cluedo Monopoly

Teacher2020 wrote: »

Because GP and FF don't want a candidate to be elected.
Hazel Chu would have a chance of being elected and there's no way that the Greens would get 2 seats in the next general election. If they ran two candidates they may not even get a single seat.
Same with FF.

And Jim will want to safeguard his FF seat for GE.Next - he will have a struggle.

Mad_maxx

is_that_so wrote: »

It's his second term and life circumstance change for TDs just like everyone else.

third term i thought ?

Billgirlylegs

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The Housing gig is only a tough gig because the policies that are being implemented are so short sighted... the Health gig is a far tougher nut to crack and I have no idea why anyone would want that portfolio.

1. work out one simple proper objective to actually improve the provision of health -e.g. reduce /organise waiting lists / eliminate hospitals infecting patients / extended hours for non emergency treatment or tests.
2. work with all the people that will facilitate that.

Precisely the opposite of what our last two "Ministers" for Health were at.
"Minister" Murphy could have learned this little trick, rather than RSing about trying to impress people with his command of social media

KevRossi

Has to be held within 6 months; is there a possibility they'll move to have it in June? Or will COVID push it out to September.

SF and other 'left wing' parties as well as Renua got nearly 33% of the vote last time out. With some disaffected GP voters is there a chance for SF to get another seat if they do well on transfers? Or will they want one as it means running two candidates next time out and Chris Andrews might not want that?

Who would they run? Lynn Boylan?

Kate O'Connell has to be favourite. A woman hell bent on shoving more of the taxpayers money into the pockets of pharmacists and private hospitals will get a good backing from certain quarters.

Hazel Chu has no chance, but she'll run. It will be interesting to see her reaction and who she blame when she loses. Expect more internal fighting in the Greens.

Should be fun.

Billgirlylegs

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

1. work out one simple proper objective to actually improve the provision of health -e.g. reduce /organise waiting lists / eliminate hospitals infecting patients / extended hours for non emergency treatment or tests.
2. work with all the people that will facilitate that.

Precisely the opposite of what our last two "Ministers" for Health were at.
"Minister" Murphy could have learned this little trick, rather than RSing about trying to impress people with his command of social media

your plan failed on point 2 as it requires cooperation from those who are happy with the status quo.

Thinkingaboutit

The worst minister and I'm including Stephen Donnelly who more projects haplessness than is a simple incompetent like Eoghan Murphy. All the tents and the ever growing ranks despairing homeless men and woman are his legacy. Now moving to some NGO sinecure where he'll get 100k.

odyssey06

odyssey06 wrote: »

He should never have been put into such a crucial portfolio as Housing with so little experience.

Totally out of his depth.

Where does someone gain experience as a Housing Minister?...
Or what about Health?

Also you do know the Minsters dont actually run the Departments?.
The Secretary Generals run the Departments with the Assistant Secretarys under them.. the Government and Ministers would have very little input.

crossman47

KevRossi wrote: »

Has to be held within 6 months; is there a possibility they'll move to have it in June? Or will COVID push it out to September.

SF and other 'left wing' parties as well as Renua got nearly 33% of the vote last time out. With some disaffected GP voters is there a chance for SF to get another seat if they do well on transfers? Or will they want one as it means running two candidates next time out and Chris Andrews might not want that?

Who would they run? Lynn Boylan?

Kate O'Connell has to be favourite. A woman hell bent on shoving more of the taxpayers money into the pockets of pharmacists and private hospitals will get a good backing from certain quarters.

Hazel Chu has no chance, but she'll run. It will be interesting to see her reaction and who she blame when she loses. Expect more internal fighting in the Greens.

Should be fun.

SF will do well no matter who they run, Chu has no chance as half the greens won't come out for her and she won't attract a floating vote.

archfi

I think it'll be a FG hold but the interesting thing will be the Greens - will they run Chu and if not will she hop over to the SDs and run or as an indo if she's rejected/blocked?
How do Greens choose constituency runners?
Of course, everything has changed the past year


2020 2016
GP 22.4 11.4
SF 16.1 9.5
FG 27.7 30.1
FF 13.8 11.5
LAB 7.9 10.6
SD 4.5 6.7
SPBP 2.5 4.4
OTH 4.9 5.1

Thinkingaboutit

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

The worst minister and I'm including Stephen Donnelly who more projects haplessness than is a simple incompetent like Eoghan Murphy. All the tents and the ever growing ranks despairing homeless men and woman are his legacy. Now moving to some NGO sinecure where he'll get 100k.

The only Minister who could possibly appease you would be the Minister in the Department of "Free money for everyone" and then you'd be complaining that they only work 9 to 5.

mariaalice

I see sheep wrote: »

My heart bleeds for him.

How can anyone be against bullying yet not have the intelligence to see the connection between the sort of behavior some politician attracts and bullying.

Why does a D4 accent trigger some people and they not have the inside to realise it's the chips on their shoulder more than any issue with policy?

Voting for politicians should be about policy nothing else, not their accent, not their family, their background nothing except policy.

archfi

Eoghan's experience of 'co-living' was Geneva.

Cluedo Monopoly

People are a bit obsessed about this Chu person. Maybe it's a Dublin thing because I have managed to completely ignore it.

Jinglejangle69

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

The worst minister and I'm including Stephen Donnelly who more projects haplessness than is a simple incompetent like Eoghan Murphy. All the tents and the ever growing ranks despairing homeless men and woman are his legacy. Now moving to some NGO sinecure where he'll get 100k.

You think the only reason for tents is Murphy?

You don't think there is a myriad of reasons as to why there are tents.

Are you aware that every country in the world has homeless people.

Did you expect Murphy to crack the age old problem of homelessness throughout the world?

Cluedo Monopoly

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

You think the only reason for tents is Murphy?

You don't think there is a myriad of reasons as to why there are tents.

Are you aware that every country in the world has homeless people.

Did you expect Murphy to crack the age old problem of homelessness throughout the world?

As a minister, people expect him to at least try. His performance was dismal.
Even FG demoted him.

mariaalice

I worked with someone one time who was triggered by D4 accents and hipsters of all things it was comic.

accensi0n

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

People are a bit obsessed about this Chu person. Maybe it's a Dublin thing because I have managed to completely ignore it.

:pac:

gormdubhgorm

is_that_so wrote: »

Ryan is already the TD there and FG had nearly 30% of the vote the last time so it would favour them quite strongly. Former TD could be run for them.

Something makes me think that the OP won't like narrative somehow...
Can't put my finger on what makes me think that! :rolleyes:

is_that_so

Mad_maxx wrote: »

third term i thought ?

Indeed. I stand corrected. Got in in 2011.

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Even FG demoted him.

That is not correct. In the game of musical chairs that was the negotiation of and formation of the current Government he lost out to those who were more advantageously positioned and FG could live with FF taking the poison chalice of the Housing Ministry.

Cluedo Monopoly

Deleted User wrote: »

That is not correct. In the game of musical chairs that was the negotiation of and formation of the current Government he lost out to those who were more advantageously positioned and FG could live with FF taking the poison chalice of the Housing Ministry.

He was never going to get housing again but they didn't give him anything. For example Harris essentially brought down the government (no confidence vote) and lost Health but got whatever Education thingy he has. Murphy was demoted and he knew it. Everyone did. His career is stalled.

Beechwoodspark

He was damaged goods and a lightning rod for opposition attacks

He says he asked Leo for a “breather” and to step back from ministerial politics....how true would that be?

Jinglejangle69

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

As a minister, people expect him to at least try. His performance was dismal.
Even FG demoted him.

So you cliam he didn't try?

That's what you've got against him.

He didn't try.

OK so case closed.

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

He was never going to get housing again but they didn't give him anything. He was demoted and he knew it.

In your mind, perhaps. you are getting stuck in with the revisionism early.

Banana Republic 1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That is not correct. In the game of musical chairs that was the negotiation of and formation of the current Government he lost out to those who were more advantageously positioned and FG could live with FF taking the poison chalice of the Housing Ministry.

What “more advantageously positioned” means is he was dropped.

McMurphy

mariaalice wrote: »

I worked with someone one time who was triggered by D4 accents and hipsters of all things it was comic.

I think the accent thing works both ways, you'll see countless posts on here with posters mocking working class accents too. "Da gubberment" etc etc.

Doesn't bother me either way, it's only an accent at the end of the day.

I see sheep

mariaalice wrote: »

How can anyone be against bullying yet not have the intelligence to see the connection between the sort of behavior some politician attracts and bullying.

Why does a D4 accent trigger some people and they not have the inside to realise it's the chips on their shoulder more than any issue with policy?

Voting for politicians should be about policy nothing else, not their accent, not their family, their background nothing except policy.

I don't have a clue what you're on about, I have know idea where he's from and I don't care.

He didn't do anything do help the housing crisis and I believe that's because FG don't care about it.

Cluedo Monopoly

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

What “more advantageously positioned” means is he was dropped.

Harris had a disaster in Health. His confidence vote brought down the government prematurely with disastrous consequences in terms of FG seats. Yet Harris was rewarded with a seat at the cabinet for a ministry most people don't know anything about. Murphy got nothing.

SouthWesterly

Mav11 wrote: »

Would she not have picked up that vibe from the Senate vote? Probably not!!

It will only feed her sense of victimisation and fighting for the minority.

Banana Republic 1

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

What “more advantageously positioned” means is he was dropped.

No. There was an election. All ministerial positions were returned to pool fo re-allocation/horse trading. Negotiation lasted for what seemed like an eternity as a clear majority was hard to build and when the dust settled there was no role of similar status available for him.

gormdubhgorm

mariaalice wrote: »

How can anyone be against bullying yet not have the intelligence to see the connection between the sort of behavior some politician attracts and bullying.

Why does a D4 accent trigger some people and they not have the inside to realise it's the chips on their shoulder more than any issue with policy?

Voting for politicians should be about policy nothing else, not their accent, not their family, their background nothing except policy.

It is all about moral superiority. Some of it is ideologically based class divide, or rural urban divide. Such as the classic 'back and forth' between stereotypical Southside Urban Dublin Green Eamon Ryan and stereotypical rural politician Danny Healy-Rae from Kerry.

I used to be like that when I was younger an 'inverted snob'. I grew out of it.
Unfortunately you will find a cohort of Irish voter that never will. It is very apparent online and places like boards.ie.

But the ironic thing is for many people there is nothing worse than being born in D4 while other far more serious real crimes are often condoned and gloated over with a nod and a wink. And couched in very odd language.

Some even pretend they are 'anti-establishment' despite being born in leafy suburbs such as Rathgar for example. Those are the funniest of the lot. As if a 'cause' can somehow compensate an individual (s) whose ideology does not align to their upbringing.

McMurphy

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is all about moral superiority. Some of it is ideologically based class divide, or rural urban divide. Such as the classic 'back and forth' between stereotypical Green Eamon Ryan and stereotypical rural politician Danny Healy-Rae

I used to be like that when I was younger an 'inverted snob'. I grew out of it.
Unfortunately you will find a cohort of Irish voter that never will. It is very apparent online and places like boards.ie.

But the ironic thing is for many people there is nothing worse than being born in D4 while other far more serious real crimes are often condoned and gloated over with a nod and a wink. And couched in very odd language.

Some even pretend they are 'anti-establishment' despite being born in leafy suburbs such as Rathgar for example. Those are the funniest of the lot. As if a 'cause' can somehow compensate an individual (s) whose ideology does not align to their upbringing.

I remember your contributions to the thread about FG wanting to hold a state commemoration for the black and tans, and so that bolded paragraph is definitely up for debate.

mariaalice

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is all about moral superiority. Some of it is ideologically based class divide, or rural urban divide. Such as the classic 'back and forth' between stereotypical Green Eamon Ryan and stereotypical rural politician Danny Healy-Rae

I used to be like that when I was younger an 'inverted snob'. I grew out of it.
Unfortunately you will find a cohort of Irish voter that never will. It is very apparent online and places like boards.ie.

But the ironic thing is for many people there is nothing worse than being born in D4 while other far more serious real crimes are often condoned and gloated over with a nod and a wink. And couched in very odd language.

Some even pretend they are 'anti-establishment' despite being born in leafy suburbs such as Rathgar for example. Those are the funniest of the lot. As if a 'cause' can somehow compensate an individual (s) whose ideology does not align to their upbringing.

Your background has nothing to do with your politics someone can come from any background and joined any political party its healthy for society and means no one is defined by their background.

Paul Murphy and Richards Boyed Barret's background, for example, has no relevance to their politics at best it's a bit odd maybe.

Stovepipe

well,if you thought Hazel Chu was a me-me candidate,she's going to be knocked into the ha'penny place by Kate O'Connell. If entitled self-belief was paint, she could do her whole house in one go.

thomas 123

Reading over the first 5 Pages of this thread it’s almost like he didn’t preside over the homeless, rent, and housing crisis that is railroading my generation currently and for the last 7/8 years.

I actually liked Murphy as a person, he seemed a decent sort, but he was nothing but a failure as minister for housing, all of these areas have gotten worse. It’s also not just people who want a free house, those of us who work are, and will continue to be, locked out of owning a home - I’d imagine/hope his lack of action was more fine Gaels fault than his own.

archfi

Bacik expected to be Labour candidate according to guy on Claire Byrne.
Dub Bay Soith will be the ultimate 'woke' off

McDowell mentioned!

Feisar

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The Housing gig is only a tough gig because the policies that are being implemented are so short sighted... the Health gig is a far tougher nut to crack and I have no idea why anyone would want that portfolio.

If I was Minister for Health I'd be tempted to hold a referendum type vote, lads do ye want health fixed?

And ANYONE with a "I stand with nurses" filter on Facebook would be shot with balls of their own shíte!

thomas 123

thomas 123 wrote: »

Reading over the first 5 Pages of this thread it’s almost like he didn’t preside over the homeless, rent, and housing crisis that is railroading my generation currently and for the last 7/8 years.

He held office. Very little he could do to fight other factors like CGT breaks to investors, throwing Ireland open to REITs, encouraging inward immigration of MNCs, workers and non-workers with not a thought to where these people would live, tearing down of half-built residential estates.
Triage was the most that could be expected of him and he doled out the sticking plasters but he was never going to solve the problem when the rest of Government policy was working against his mandate

PixieValentine

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

He was damaged goods and a lightning rod for opposition attacks

He says he asked Leo for a “breather” and to step back from ministerial politics....how true would that be?

Well, it might actually be true. Or somewhat true, anyway. I know people are talking about how he's going because he got dropped from cabinet, he'd have stayed if he was a Minister, etc and maybe he would have- but certainly, last summer it was said by the media numerous times that he didn’t want a Ministry at the time. I definitely remember reading more than once that he had asked Leo not to even consider his name for cabinet, even as a Junior Minister.

I know that might well have just been “sources close to Eoghan Murphy” (cough cough) putting a brave face on things for him, and it might be him doing the same now, but it does seem to me like it ties in with what a reporter from Newstalk said today on seeing the news about him resigning, which is by all accounts, he seemed very jaded with politics after his stint in Housing. According to the reporter this morning, leadership in FG thought that they could “build him back up” behind the scenes (I think I read last year about some job the Tanaiste had created for him in FG rebuilding their organisation or something along those lines) but maybe he’s really just done and doesn’t want it anymore? He won his seat last Feb, was guaranteed the seat and the money as long as this government lasts- it would have been fairly easy for him to stay a while longer and make that guaranteed money. If he’s leaving even though he doesn’t have another job to actually go to, he must feel pretty finished with politics.

odyssey06

mariaalice wrote: »

Your background has nothing to do with your politics someone can come from any background and joined any political party its healthy for society and means no one is defined by their background.

Paul Murphy and Richards Boyed Barret's background, for example, has no relevance to their politics at best it's a bit odd maybe.

It is relevant if people use Murphy's background to attack his policies... especially people who support Murphy and Boyd Barrett?

blackwhite

Hard to see beyond FG purely based on the profile of the constituency.

If Chu runs she'll poll well, but I don't think she'll transfer well enough to get over the line.

In 2020 only FG ran more than one candidate. FF, Greens and SF currently have TDs who have been the face of the party in the constituency for most of the last decade, and there certainly isn't two seats there for any of them come the next GE.
SF only actually managed to get a single councillor elected in any of the DBS LEAs last time out, and that was Chris Andrews who was then elected TD in 2020.
Chu and O'Connell are the only high-profile names across the bigger parties there, and it's not even certain that either will be their parties' nominee

StupidLikeAFox

Eamon Ryan topped the poll here last time out. Im not sure how much of that was a personal vote, but a green candidate may do very well here.

Kate OConnell narrowly missed out to Jim OCallaghan, but FG ran two candidates so she is prob the favourite.

Some lad called Sean OLeary only got 12 votes, wonder will he give it another crack

Feisar

thomas 123 wrote: »

Reading over the first 5 Pages of this thread it’s almost like he didn’t preside over the homeless, rent, and housing crisis that is railroading my generation currently and for the last 7/8 years.

In fairness...

gormdubhgorm

McMurphy wrote: »

I remember your contributions to the thread about FG wanting to hold a state commemoration for the black and tans, and so that bolded paragraph is definitely up for debate.

Why so because I could say what I saw what was happening?
The fact is certain cohorts are easily lead regardless of societal demographic.

Because to use an internet word the politicians know the stereotypes from that societal demographic will be 'triggered'.
And those become the defacto leaders of the 'tribe'. Politicians love a 'them and us'. It means guaranteed votes from a certain section of the population.

There is no grey area for the vocal on the internet. And on that particular issue that is what I was discussing.

That is the nub of the issue there is no grey area in discussion on boards.ie and not much nuance. Or real analysis where people stand back and look objectively at what is going on.

It has been seen time and time again in threads such as this on boards.ie. Playing to stereotypes.

thomas 123

Feisar wrote: »

In fairness...

Still no impact under his tenure though, we can’t always look backward to justify inaction.

TheValeyard

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I was in the RDS count centre when he was returned in the last election. The boos and slurs from a certain cohort was disgusting.

Who would want to be a politician in this day and age? Not me.

I wouldnt be a fan of his. But no one deserves that treatment, anyone brave enough to put themselves forward for election should be commended.

Denny61

He said he was daunted but excited by the future..what he should really have said was..i was daunted by my ministerial portfolio. Unable to do much good..and can't see myself being any better in the future..ive decided my talents are better put to use in other fields where people hopefully have not heard of Me and hopefully employ me ..!!!