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Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭crossman47


    KevRossi wrote: »
    Has to be held within 6 months; is there a possibility they'll move to have it in June? Or will COVID push it out to September.

    SF and other 'left wing' parties as well as Renua got nearly 33% of the vote last time out. With some disaffected GP voters is there a chance for SF to get another seat if they do well on transfers? Or will they want one as it means running two candidates next time out and Chris Andrews might not want that?

    Who would they run? Lynn Boylan?

    Kate O'Connell has to be favourite. A woman hell bent on shoving more of the taxpayers money into the pockets of pharmacists and private hospitals will get a good backing from certain quarters.

    Hazel Chu has no chance, but she'll run. It will be interesting to see her reaction and who she blame when she loses. Expect more internal fighting in the Greens.

    Should be fun.

    SF will do well no matter who they run, Chu has no chance as half the greens won't come out for her and she won't attract a floating vote.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭archfi


    I think it'll be a FG hold but the interesting thing will be the Greens - will they run Chu and if not will she hop over to the SDs and run or as an indo if she's rejected/blocked?
    How do Greens choose constituency runners?
    Of course, everything has changed the past year


    2020 2016
    GP 22.4 11.4
    SF 16.1 9.5
    FG 27.7 30.1
    FF 13.8 11.5
    LAB 7.9 10.6
    SD 4.5 6.7
    SPBP 2.5 4.4
    OTH 4.9 5.1

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The worst minister and I'm including Stephen Donnelly who more projects haplessness than is a simple incompetent like Eoghan Murphy. All the tents and the ever growing ranks despairing homeless men and woman are his legacy. Now moving to some NGO sinecure where he'll get 100k.
    The only Minister who could possibly appease you would be the Minister in the Department of "Free money for everyone" and then you'd be complaining that they only work 9 to 5.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    My heart bleeds for him.

    How can anyone be against bullying yet not have the intelligence to see the connection between the sort of behavior some politician attracts and bullying.

    Why does a D4 accent trigger some people and they not have the inside to realise it's the chips on their shoulder more than any issue with policy?

    Voting for politicians should be about policy nothing else, not their accent, not their family, their background nothing except policy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭archfi


    Eoghan's experience of 'co-living' was Geneva.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    People are a bit obsessed about this Chu person. Maybe it's a Dublin thing because I have managed to completely ignore it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The worst minister and I'm including Stephen Donnelly who more projects haplessness than is a simple incompetent like Eoghan Murphy. All the tents and the ever growing ranks despairing homeless men and woman are his legacy. Now moving to some NGO sinecure where he'll get 100k.

    You think the only reason for tents is Murphy?

    You don't think there is a myriad of reasons as to why there are tents.

    Are you aware that every country in the world has homeless people.

    Did you expect Murphy to crack the age old problem of homelessness throughout the world?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You think the only reason for tents is Murphy?

    You don't think there is a myriad of reasons as to why there are tents.

    Are you aware that every country in the world has homeless people.

    Did you expect Murphy to crack the age old problem of homelessness throughout the world?

    As a minister, people expect him to at least try. His performance was dismal.
    Even FG demoted him.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I worked with someone one time who was triggered by D4 accents and hipsters of all things it was comic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    People are a bit obsessed about this Chu person. Maybe it's a Dublin thing because I have managed to completely ignore it.

    :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,131 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ryan is already the TD there and FG had nearly 30% of the vote the last time so it would favour them quite strongly. Former TD could be run for them.

    Something makes me think that the OP won't like narrative somehow...
    Can't put my finger on what makes me think that! :rolleyes:

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    third term i thought ?
    Indeed. I stand corrected. Got in in 2011.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Even FG demoted him.
    That is not correct. In the game of musical chairs that was the negotiation of and formation of the current Government he lost out to those who were more advantageously positioned and FG could live with FF taking the poison chalice of the Housing Ministry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    haphaphap wrote: »
    That is not correct. In the game of musical chairs that was the negotiation of and formation of the current Government he lost out to those who were more advantageously positioned and FG could live with FF taking the poison chalice of the Housing Ministry.

    He was never going to get housing again but they didn't give him anything. For example Harris essentially brought down the government (no confidence vote) and lost Health but got whatever Education thingy he has. Murphy was demoted and he knew it. Everyone did. His career is stalled.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,216 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    He was damaged goods and a lightning rod for opposition attacks

    He says he asked Leo for a “breather” and to step back from ministerial politics....how true would that be?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    As a minister, people expect him to at least try. His performance was dismal.
    Even FG demoted him.

    So you cliam he didn't try?

    That's what you've got against him.

    He didn't try.

    OK so case closed.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He was never going to get housing again but they didn't give him anything. He was demoted and he knew it.
    In your mind, perhaps. you are getting stuck in with the revisionism early.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    haphaphap wrote: »
    That is not correct. In the game of musical chairs that was the negotiation of and formation of the current Government he lost out to those who were more advantageously positioned and FG could live with FF taking the poison chalice of the Housing Ministry.

    What “more advantageously positioned” means is he was dropped.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I worked with someone one time who was triggered by D4 accents and hipsters of all things it was comic.

    I think the accent thing works both ways, you'll see countless posts on here with posters mocking working class accents too. "Da gubberment" etc etc.

    Doesn't bother me either way, it's only an accent at the end of the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    mariaalice wrote: »
    How can anyone be against bullying yet not have the intelligence to see the connection between the sort of behavior some politician attracts and bullying.

    Why does a D4 accent trigger some people and they not have the inside to realise it's the chips on their shoulder more than any issue with policy?

    Voting for politicians should be about policy nothing else, not their accent, not their family, their background nothing except policy.

    I don't have a clue what you're on about, I have know idea where he's from and I don't care.

    He didn't do anything do help the housing crisis and I believe that's because FG don't care about it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What “more advantageously positioned” means is he was dropped.

    Harris had a disaster in Health. His confidence vote brought down the government prematurely with disastrous consequences in terms of FG seats. Yet Harris was rewarded with a seat at the cabinet for a ministry most people don't know anything about. Murphy got nothing.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,335 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Mav11 wrote: »
    Would she not have picked up that vibe from the Senate vote? Probably not!!

    It will only feed her sense of victimisation and fighting for the minority.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What “more advantageously positioned” means is he was dropped.
    No. There was an election. All ministerial positions were returned to pool fo re-allocation/horse trading. Negotiation lasted for what seemed like an eternity as a clear majority was hard to build and when the dust settled there was no role of similar status available for him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,131 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    mariaalice wrote: »
    How can anyone be against bullying yet not have the intelligence to see the connection between the sort of behavior some politician attracts and bullying.

    Why does a D4 accent trigger some people and they not have the inside to realise it's the chips on their shoulder more than any issue with policy?

    Voting for politicians should be about policy nothing else, not their accent, not their family, their background nothing except policy.

    It is all about moral superiority. Some of it is ideologically based class divide, or rural urban divide. Such as the classic 'back and forth' between stereotypical Southside Urban Dublin Green Eamon Ryan and stereotypical rural politician Danny Healy-Rae from Kerry.

    I used to be like that when I was younger an 'inverted snob'. I grew out of it.
    Unfortunately you will find a cohort of Irish voter that never will. It is very apparent online and places like boards.ie.

    But the ironic thing is for many people there is nothing worse than being born in D4 while other far more serious real crimes are often condoned and gloated over with a nod and a wink. And couched in very odd language.

    Some even pretend they are 'anti-establishment' despite being born in leafy suburbs such as Rathgar for example. Those are the funniest of the lot. As if a 'cause' can somehow compensate an individual (s) whose ideology does not align to their upbringing.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    It is all about moral superiority. Some of it is ideologically based class divide, or rural urban divide. Such as the classic 'back and forth' between stereotypical Green Eamon Ryan and stereotypical rural politician Danny Healy-Rae

    I used to be like that when I was younger an 'inverted snob'. I grew out of it.
    Unfortunately you will find a cohort of Irish voter that never will. It is very apparent online and places like boards.ie.


    But the ironic thing is for many people there is nothing worse than being born in D4 while other far more serious real crimes are often condoned and gloated over with a nod and a wink. And couched in very odd language.

    Some even pretend they are 'anti-establishment' despite being born in leafy suburbs such as Rathgar for example. Those are the funniest of the lot. As if a 'cause' can somehow compensate an individual (s) whose ideology does not align to their upbringing.

    I remember your contributions to the thread about FG wanting to hold a state commemoration for the black and tans, and so that bolded paragraph is definitely up for debate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,325 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    It is all about moral superiority. Some of it is ideologically based class divide, or rural urban divide. Such as the classic 'back and forth' between stereotypical Green Eamon Ryan and stereotypical rural politician Danny Healy-Rae

    I used to be like that when I was younger an 'inverted snob'. I grew out of it.
    Unfortunately you will find a cohort of Irish voter that never will. It is very apparent online and places like boards.ie.

    But the ironic thing is for many people there is nothing worse than being born in D4 while other far more serious real crimes are often condoned and gloated over with a nod and a wink. And couched in very odd language.

    Some even pretend they are 'anti-establishment' despite being born in leafy suburbs such as Rathgar for example. Those are the funniest of the lot. As if a 'cause' can somehow compensate an individual (s) whose ideology does not align to their upbringing.

    Your background has nothing to do with your politics someone can come from any background and joined any political party its healthy for society and means no one is defined by their background.

    Paul Murphy and Richards Boyed Barret's background, for example, has no relevance to their politics at best it's a bit odd maybe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    well,if you thought Hazel Chu was a me-me candidate,she's going to be knocked into the ha'penny place by Kate O'Connell. If entitled self-belief was paint, she could do her whole house in one go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Reading over the first 5 Pages of this thread it’s almost like he didn’t preside over the homeless, rent, and housing crisis that is railroading my generation currently and for the last 7/8 years.

    I actually liked Murphy as a person, he seemed a decent sort, but he was nothing but a failure as minister for housing, all of these areas have gotten worse. It’s also not just people who want a free house, those of us who work are, and will continue to be, locked out of owning a home - I’d imagine/hope his lack of action was more fine Gaels fault than his own.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭archfi


    Bacik expected to be Labour candidate according to guy on Claire Byrne.
    Dub Bay Soith will be the ultimate 'woke' off :p

    McDowell mentioned!

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,587 ✭✭✭Feisar


    The Housing gig is only a tough gig because the policies that are being implemented are so short sighted... the Health gig is a far tougher nut to crack and I have no idea why anyone would want that portfolio.

    If I was Minister for Health I'd be tempted to hold a referendum type vote, lads do ye want health fixed?

    And ANYONE with a "I stand with nurses" filter on Facebook would be shot with balls of their own shíte!

    First they came for the socialists...



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