Eoghan Murphy TD resigns...

FileNotFound

Was never all that mad on Eoghan Murphy, but thats a quick exit from politics, suppose more profit in private and less sh1t to shovel.

Chu may well be in the running for this, but since she runs green wouldn't this mean her and ryan could take a hit in the next GE. HAven't seen much of her, but commentary on here can be very mixed.

Who do FG have lined up for a potential replacement?

humberklog

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Or maybe you are a completely unremarkable and unmemorable person, so much so that a person who has multiple meetings with you has no recollection .....who knows !

That is undeniable and totally agree.

But she's still toxic on the ballot paper.

They're not mutually exclusive.

Geuze

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.

Yes, I'm all for co-living, but at 500pm, not at 1300 pm.

JP Liz V1

Wants a Europe gravy boat pay job, no loss imho

Geuze

landofthetree wrote: »

The left in opposition ie SF SD Lab etc claim they want a Nordic style model for Ireland.

Yet they dont want highrise,co-living,property tax etc.

No need for high-rise.

Just 4 - 6 - maybe 8 storeys inside the canals in Dublin.

No need for 20 floors, or skyscrapers.

Just knock 2 storey houses and replace with tens of thousands of 6 storey apartments.

Dyr

Best of luck in his new career in lobbying, The taxpayer will probably wind up paying him to pull strokes for some NGO that will cost joe taxpayer even more. Who'd be a TD indeed. Or maybe he'll do sweet FA like he did as minister for housing.

RandomViewer

FileNotFound wrote: »

Was never all that mad on Eoghan Murphy, but thats a quick exit from politics, suppose more profit in private and less sh1t to shovel.

Chu may well be in the running for this, but since she runs green wouldn't this mean her and ryan could take a hit in the next GE. HAven't seen much of her, but commentary on here can be very mixed.

Who do FG have lined up for a potential replacement?

He'd basically disappeared from public life and never came across as someone mad for work so something must have happened ,

awec

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

I brief history of Eoghan Murphy

39 years old
Born in Sandymount
5 siblings
Father is Henry Murphy (Senior Counsel on the Mahon tribunal Team, he made over €2m on this tribunal)
Went to fee paying school St Michael's College
"Worked" for UN up until 2008
In 2009 he was elected to Pembroke–Rathmines Council having no prior political experience (At the age 27)
After just 2 years he was elected to the Dail in 2011 (At the age of 29)
Made minister for housing in 2017 and had a motion of no confidence tabled against him on that year.
In 2019 a 2nd motion of no confidence was tabled against him.

By far the most controversial change he made during his time as a housing minister, he gave builder/developers the ability to bypass local councils, this in turn allowed said builders and developers to build what ever they wanted, where ever they wanted without any reasonable planning.
He also had other hair brained ideas like "Co-living"

He was a poor TD, way out of his depth and suffering from "How could you not possibly love me?" syndrome
He some how managed to get into politics at 27 despite having no political career prior to that, (He worked on Arms regulation at the UN, a far cry from international relations/politics) No doubt he was pushed along by the wealth of Parents (as are his siblings).

It was clear that politics was "Something for him to do", he's never had to do a tap in his life. (Along with a great many other TD's from South Dublin)
He's a complete disconnect with an average member of the electorate.

Chris Andrews got in 2nd on the 8th count in 2020, fingers crossed SF will run a strong candidate in the by election and get them down to 83
This governments performance has been appalling to say the least, I'd say he wanted to leave a few months back, but was asked to stay until covid issue had settled a bit.

Andrews just about got in last time, I'm not sure he'd be very happy if SF put another strong candidate in beside him. Real risk of cannibalism there and the party ending up with nothing next time out.

SF might just run someone for the experience.

conorhal

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.

Here's what baffles me. Is this the kind of working and living standards we are going to accept?
Live in box, work in box, die in box and be buried in one? You will own noting and owe your soul to the factory store, all this determined by people that live in mansions. Are we going back to this?

It's inhuman, literally. I've become convinced that high density urban living is driving populations literally insane.
We have allowed our government's to turn our society into Calhoun's mouse utopia experiment and I expect no different or less disturbing results:

Murphy, if nothing else should be ashamed for trying perpetrate this on the Irish people.

Kumejima

Fann Linn wrote: »

I really don't give a damn who wins this seat so long as it's not Bacik or Chu. I'll even grudgingly tolerate FFG.

The Irish electorate:
"Ivana Bacik?"
"No-I-dont-vana Bacik"

Beechwoodspark

humberklog wrote: »

That is undeniable and totally agree.

But she's still toxic on the ballot paper.

They're not mutually exclusive.

My comment was in jest btw.

Ah no, being completely honest I see your point.

Bacik comes from a very privileged background

She has had a “charmed existence”. Prof of law in TCD and a senator for many many years.

Regardless of her experience I agree with you that her life is very much removed from joe public

LollipopJimmy

Reading about how Hazel Chu will have the media support, I'm not thinking that myself, I think she's lost that backing by beating the one drum too often and out of sync. I had followed her on SM and had respect for her, this changed over the last while. Listening to a privileged woman who is the Lord Mayor of Dublin and has done the sum total of nothing tell us she is being held back by her sex/race etc is just all kinds of wrong. And then she pee'd up the back of those working woth homeless and rough sleepers, silly stuff that should have been prioritised.

Her reason for running for senate was so she could tell her daughter she wanted to stand for something. Well maybe don't tell the daughter you already had a role you were supposedly committed to.

So as somebody who 12 months ago probably would have supported her, I'm a definite no, keep her out of the Dail, useless mé féiner.

And her husband is a TD in my constituency, he does nearly as little as Aongus O'Snodaigh who's been on a milk carton since GE2020.

Donald Trump

Is his brother still mad for the "fizzy ordange"?

Floppybits

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Co-living had the potential to take hundreds or possibly thousands of migratory or transitory workers (eg tech workers on short secondment, summer workers) out of the apartment rental market. A market that summer workers find is often overcrowded and very low quality. It could've quickly opened this accommodation for permanent residents to occupy - residents that could insist on higher standards.

Co living was never intended as permanent housing, but a stepping stone to finding more permanent accommodation. When I moved to London the first time, I was very grateful that I could find a co living space for the first month until I found a room.

The lies and misinformation spread around co living is quite remarkable. It's almost like it was used by some to score political points.

I have no problem with these co-living places. Think they are good idea for people who may be living in Dublin for a short time.

I lived in co-living arrangement in Paris when living there in my 20's. Have to say it was grand, own room, yes there were shared showers and toilets but each had their own door so it wasn't like showers in a changing room or anything like that. Then there was a canteen area where you could get your dinner or bring in your dinner to eat and lounging area. This was before wifi and internet but as I said I had no problem with it and it should be an option.

Donald Trump

Cal4567 wrote: »

And didn't he struggle enough last year from memory, in getting elected. What actually is 'international affairs'?

International affairs? It just means doing the dirt on your missus with a younger, hotter, Eastern European model

JP Liz V1

Donald Trump wrote: »

Is his brother still mad for the "fizzy ordange"?

Oh yes Tommy from Love Hate, last he was investigating Dublin Murders

Pandiculation

Floppybits wrote: »

I have no problem with these co-living places. Think they are good idea for people who may be living in Dublin for a short time.

I lived in co-living arrangement in Paris when living there in my 20's. Have to say it was grand, own room, yes there were shared showers and toilets but each had their own door so it wasn't like showers in a changing room or anything like that. Then there was a canteen area where you could get your dinner or bring in your dinner to eat and lounging area. This was before wifi and internet but as I said I had no problem with it and it should be an option.

The issue here is it’s being pitched at a high price point and as an option that’s comparable to real apartments

Long term co-living isn’t an acceptable solution.

RandomViewer

Foxconn living, that worked out well, didnt it?

ax530

I'm just interested in what international affairs actually is sounds a very specific thing to leave a job for when he doesn't actually have a role lined up.
If someone said to me they wanted a job in international affairs I would think it Government based rather than Industry.
Big risk leaving a €90+ package to say looking for work in international affairs so must be confident there are jobs to be had in that area.

I feel sorry for Oliver Callan
Theres a whole centrepiece gone

LollipopJimmy

Pandiculation wrote: »

The issue here is it’s being pitched at a high price point and as an option that’s comparable to real apartments

Long term co-living isn’t an acceptable solution.

This is it really. If co-living is to be a viable option it needs to be a fixed price and extremely affordable. Thing is here it's looking like it's going to cost the same as an apartment in Dublin

MrMusician18

conorhal wrote: »

Here's what baffles me. Is this the kind of working and living standards we are going to accept?
Live in box, work in box, die in box and be buried in one? You will own noting and owe your soul to the factory store, all this determined by people that live in mansions. Are we going back to this?




It's inhuman, literally. I've become convinced that high density urban living is driving populations literally insane.
We have allowed our government's to turn our society into Calhoun's mouse utopia experiment and I expect no different or less disturbing results:


Murphy, if nothing else should be ashamed for trying perpetrate this on the Irish people.

Co living is no more inhumane than a house share, which is just coliving on a smaller scale.

The way some people are going on with their ridiculous hyperbole you'd swear he had been forcing people into gulags.

gormdubhgorm

TheValeyard wrote: »

I wouldnt be a fan of his. But no one deserves that treatment, anyone brave enough to put themselves forward for election should be commended.

People get swept up in the 'them and us' party politics.

That is why I always like voting for an Independent with a bit of 'go' in them. Unfortunately there is not any in my constituency anymore.

More unfortunate is that the good independents seem to get hoovered up and cajoled by the political parties after awhile. At least they have local issues at heart though, and are not completely beholden to a political party.

Politicians from political parties annoy me in that sense. Because some of the stuff they say is just because they are in government or in opposition. It is not because they actually believe it.

Some poor eejit will get Murphy's job now and no doubt there will be a few well planned drip feeds of new builds, schemes etc to put a spin on it.

And then the other crowd will say how they would have done it much better.
The cycle continues.

McMurphy

Marine Layer wrote: »

I feel sorry for Oliver Callan
Theres a whole centrepiece gone

Worry not Marine Layer, he's ("Murphs") staying on apparently..

https://twitter.com/olivercallan/status/1386984288239947777?s=19

Cal4567

humberklog wrote: »

Her record in elections.

Following her campaigning over the years.

I was on one election following her through Dublin 8 for a few days. She had 12 Labour Reps with her the full time knocking on doors and one rep was Rauri Quinn from a Friday to Monday. This was in the 00's, (I'll have to check photo files for exact one).
What struck me was how she introduced herself, even though she lived about 8 doors down, everyone was a total stranger. There was no house that knew her. She let Quinn do all the introductions and talking. When she tried to engage with people on the street she was roundly dismissed, whilst Quinn was given a big "Hi Rauri".

Another election, a bye-election on the Northside I caught up with her again for a day campaigning outside the Phibsborough Shopping Centre. It was about the 20th time I'd met her, I was even on her quiz team once and at a small house wedding (16 people) but of course she needed me to introduce myself all over again (if you're not in her sphere you're no one).
I asked her what connection she had with the Northside and she said "my husband's from the Northside so that qualifies me!!" and laughed her head off. No one else was laughing. During the 6 hours or so I was with her that day the reception she got was brutal. She brushed people off as soon as she suspected they weren't her "set". They were brushed off quickly and plentiful.

To see her people skills and the reaction she recieved I popped her into the box as "toxic", meaning to me- not a popular person and not a person people will vote for. And they didn't, never have.

I'm using the word "toxic" only in a political attraction frame.

I always make sure to say Hi to her, even though it's usually received with a snooty look down her nose- before the lockdown I was with Rosalean McDonagh from Pavee Point, she's a fairly well known Traveller advocate. We were outside having coffee and Ivana walks by, "Hiiii Rosalean!! (they know each other from Trinity)...how are you! and Hi who are you? Are you connected with Pavee..". No Ivana, we've met before. Many times.

She is an awful snob, like really awful. I kinda like her- but I wouldn't vote for her. But who does?

Politeness won't permit me to say who I am talking about but in the course of my working life I have had the opportunity to meet quite a few people who are in the public eye. I've never met Ivana Bacik but I have come across other politicians both here and in the US. You really do need to have that common touch, to be a people person. It's an ability to engage and emphasise - if not all the time, certainly on the campaign trail.

When I read the above, I just think 'champagne socialist' which is a problem many of the Left, although not all, have in their engagement with ordinary people. Of course, the same could be said for some of those on the Right as well.

Floppybits

Pandiculation wrote: »

The issue here is it’s being pitched at a high price point and as an option that’s comparable to real apartments

Long term co-living isn’t an acceptable solution.

The right balance needs to be found and that is the job of the Minister introducing this sort of living. All manner of people need this sort of living arrangement like those coming into the country on a temporary basis to do a contracting job or seasonal work and also for those people whose circumstances have changed and may need to avail of this living accommodation till they get back on their feet. Or maybe bring back bedsits.

take everything

This guy was completely useless and out of his depth.
No loss at all.

StupidLikeAFox

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Eamon Ryan topped the poll here last time out. Im not sure how much of that was a personal vote, but a green candidate may do very well here.

Kate OConnell narrowly missed out to Jim OCallaghan, but FG ran two candidates so she is prob the favourite.

Some lad called Sean OLeary only got 12 votes, wonder will he give it another crack

Leo hates her guts with a vengeance since she gobbed off a bit too much during the FG leadership vote process where she was up for Coveney.

He went out of his way on a number of occasions to ensure that she didn't get near a Seanad seat since she lost out in the last election.

If he has his wish he'd want someone else up as the FG candidate. He doesn't want her back in the Dail.

Beta Ray Bill

iffandonlyif wrote: »

Grateful for that unbiased history.

Was it his accent that so offended you?

You're very welcome.
Accents don't offend me.

markodaly wrote: »

The bits in bold are falsehoods being peddled.
Readers should be aware that they are lies.

They are not:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/approval-granted-for-more-than-650-apartments-beside-st-anne-s-park-in-dublin-1.4177374
^^^ this one is a disgrace ^^^

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/plan-for-550-apartments-on-chivers-site-leaves-sour-taste-1.4123796

https://www.thejournal.ie/apartments-planning-permission-clongriffin-4942417-Dec2019/

Builders are being told they can build what they want now.
Just because it's not happening near you, does not mean it's not happening

awec wrote: »

Andrews just about got in last time, I'm not sure he'd be very happy if SF put another strong candidate in beside him. Real risk of cannibalism there and the party ending up with nothing next time out.

SF might just run someone for the experience.

You're probably right.
Chu would be be 2nd choice, I'm not a fan of the greens but she seems to be a decent person.

MrMusician18

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

are in government or in opposition. It is not because they actually believe it.

Some poor eejit will get Murphy's job now and no doubt there will be a few well planned drip feeds of new builds, schemes etc to put a spin on it.

.

Murphy hasn't held the housing portfolio, or indeed any ministerial post since the election last year.